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Max HP * Max Defense charts

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Dragontamer, Jul 10, 2007.

  1. Dragontamer

    Dragontamer

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    EDIT: There is a new thread here. This thread is now obsolete. All the important stuff in in the previous thread. This thread here is just for historical purposes now.

    The defense stat of a pokemon tells a lot. However, it doesn't tell the whole picture, as Shuckle would then be the best defensive pokemon in the game, which is certainly not true.

    Similarly, HP doesn't tell everything, else Blissey would be the best physical wall in the game, which is certainly not true.

    So what we are really looking for is the best HP * defense and the best HP * SpDefense. Not just one stat or the other. To show that this is indeed what we wish for, we start with the damage formula here:

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16121

    (((((2 + (Level × 2 ÷ 5)) × BasePower × [Sp]Atk) ÷ [Sp]Def) ÷ 50) + 2) × CH × (rand(85,100) / 100) × STAB × Type1Effectiveness × Type2Effectiveness = damage in Hit Points

    Divide both sides by max hp and we get:

    blah blah / maxHP == damage in HP / maxHP == % damage

    Of which there is a lot of unnecessary clutter, but eventually we can prove from the above formulas that:

    ((2+(2*lvl/5)) * BasePower * (S)Atk)/ (50 * def * hp) is roughly proportional to % hp damage.

    There, now the general relationship basically becomes that % hp lost is just about indirectly proportional to defense * hp. So this method is mathematically sound.

    But before I post the list... I should note how I calculated this for those curious to repeat my results. I took the Javascript source here:
    http://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calcdp.shtml

    The said file contains the statistics of all 493 pokemon in a Javascript array. I assume it is correct. From there, I parsed it into a C++ .h file and then made a program that printed the values for the list... well... kinda. I then used Gnumeric to sort the lists appropriately.

    And now I'm too lazy to move the names to the actual lists... but I'll put some notable pokemon's names next to their pokemon numbers.

    =----------------------------------

    For those who skipped down to the list, here's the important tidbits: I'm assuming 252/252/252 EV spread. Yes, thats right, max EVs in both HP and Defense and Special Defense. Slightly unrealistic, but I figure it makes sense from a wall point of view. Also, I'm assuming 31 IVs. I doubt this will change much in the ways of calculations.

    Top 100 defense * hp pokemon.
    Pokemon number | Defense*hp | Special Defense * hp
    Code:
    Regirock    199472    119392
    Steelix    193992    88854
    Giratina    187488    187488
    Aggron    173376    82560
    Rhyperior    170996    99386
    Groudon    168064    123624
    Slaking    165312    126504
    Arceus    165168    165168
    Cresselia    165168    174936
    Lugia    163904    185952
    Registeel    159432    159432
    Relicanth    159176    101404
    Bastiodon    154872    133488
    Tangrowth    154732    88072
    Hippowdon    154560    112140
    Rhydon    154008    85698
    Cloyster    153216    62928
    Dialga    150288    132512
    Shuckle    149816    149816
    Regigigas    148400    148400
    Forretress    147264    84960
    Suicune    145844    145844
    Golem    143416    91364
    Metagross    143416    111384
    Torkoal    143104    90128
    Donphan    142848    92160
    Tyranitar    141400    132512
    Uxie    139476    139476
    Skarmory    138944    87508
    Probopass    138348    141912
    Slowbro    137900    111896
    Umbreon    137900    155236
    Wobbuffet    137824    137824
    Gliscor    135582    96642
    Lairon    134784    70632
    Lickilicky    134408    134408
    Miltank    133566    103228
    Torterra    133566    116230
    Garchomp    133140    123900
    Celebi    132512    132512
    Jirachi    132512    132512
    Manaphy    132512    132512
    Mew    132512    132512
    Shaymin    132512    132512
    Heatran    132012    132012
    Lapras    131776    147088
    Omastar    131752    90128
    Leafeon    131596    83834
    Snorlax    131524    183400
    Walrein    129744    129744
    Entei    128030    118482
    Ho    127296    185952
    Mewtwo    127296    127296
    Rayquaza    126684    126684
    Onix    126040    56718
    Articuno    125952    147072
    Palkia    125952    142848
    Weezing    124248    87508
    Magnezone    124184    105264
    Sudowoodo    124184    86344
    Sandslash    123900    81066
    Kyogre    123624    168064
    Swampert    123624    123624
    Mesprit    123396    123396
    Bronzong    123032    123032
    Feraligatr    122672    108834
    Dragonite    122362    126608
    Poliwrath    121728    117504
    Cradily    121072    129344
    Tangela    120574    65464
    Mamoswine    120416    101760
    Drapion    120400    93912
    Meganium    119392    119392
    Regice    119392    199472
    Dusknoir    119070    119070
    Blastoise    118736    122718
    Togekiss    118558    135014
    Hariyama    118080    118080
    Kangaskhan    117576    117576
    Swalot    117564    117564
    Moltres    117504    113280
    Tropius    116982    120600
    Glaceon    116900    105878
    Exeggutor    116230    98894
    Quagsire    116230    98894
    Armaldo    116112    100536
    Rhyhorn    115388    63336
    Nidoqueen    115200    113280
    Azumarill    114736    114736
    Piloswine    114736    96960
    Vespiquen    114552    114552
    Porygon2    114444    118558
    Whiscash    114056    112360
    Marowak    113400    92016
    Graveler    113354    64998
    Kingler    113354    68452
    Zapdos    113280    117504
    Gligar    113226    83834
    Magcargo    113088    86336
    Muk    113022    135792
    Scizor    112832    97696
    Wailord    112608    112608
    Empoleon    112344    123132
    Kingdra    112218    112218
    Tauros    112218    92748
    Yanmega    112048    87232
    Dusclops    111896    111896
    Salamence    111896    111896
    Slowking    111896    137900
    Latias    111384    143416
    Vaporeon    111360    147088
    Gyarados    111108    129232
    Milotic    111108    150902
    Gastrodon    109908    123114
    Claydol    109836    120528
    Kabutops    109836    84888
    Pinsir    109552    87508
    Shelgon    109552    72812
    Arcanine    109056    109056
    Dewgong    109056    121728
    Machamp    109056    113280
    Altaria    108324    120006
    Lanturn    107144    125304
    Nosepass    106920    80784
    Gorebyss    106446    85722
    Huntail    106446    85722
    Metang    106272    92016
    Pelipper    106272    84888
    Crobat    106216    106216
    Clefable    105986    120564
    Venusaur    105924    119392
    Dunsparce    105848    101404
    Darkrai    105264    105264
    Spiritomb    105184    105184
    Skuntank    104960    99630
    Abomasnow    104832    113280
    Ampharos    104832    117504
    Granbull    104832    92160
    Lickitung    104832    104832
    Politoed    104832    125952
    Raikou    104832    125952
    Ursaring    104832    104832
    Bellossom    104430    116112
    Grotle    104430    88854
    Vileplume    104430    108324
    Flygon    103376    103376
    Glalie    103376    103376
    Latios    103376    127400
    Phione    103376    103376
    Vigoroth    103376    83356
    Drifblim    103320    114408
    Luxray    102648    102648
    Golduck    101920    103376
    Exploud    101764    101764
    Nidoking    101748    99918
    Solrock    101480    86344
    Pidgeot    101010    96940
    Charizard    100800    106200
    Typhlosion    100800    106200
    Sealeo    100608    100608
    Wigglytuff    100188    105512
    Aron    99712    59584
    Seadra    99538    64998
    Heracross    99372    115388
    Hypno    97988    135014
    Porygon    97988    102102
    Staraptor    97988    81532
    Lopunny    97862    106880
    Scyther    97696    97696
    Crawdaunt    97350    75570
    Shieldon    97152    79728
    Octillery    96642    96642
    Slowpoke    96384    75264
    Bonsly    96368    62928
    Cubone    96368    66272
    Hitmontop    96368    106400
    Magneton    96368    79648
    Starmie    95580    95580
    Wormadam    95580    109836
    Ninetales    95550    114800
    Rampardos    95520    86764
    Blaziken    95368    95368
    Ludicolo    95368    119392
    Machoke    95368    87360
    Hippopotas    95200    68340
    Croconaw    94856    82498
    Bronzor    94764    94764
    Lumineon    94392    101916
    Infernape    94340    94340
    Carnivine    93984    93984
    Lileep    93408    100800
    Geodude    93152    49416
    Furret    93126    85646
    Pineco    93024    56240
    Munchlax    92904    139830
    Toxicroak    92870    92870
    Blissey    92820    289170
    Azelf    92748    92748
    Golbat    92748    96642
    Jumpluff    92748    104430
    Corsola    92630    92630
    Togetic    92630    106446
    Phanpy    92160    75264
    Shiftry    92160    92160
    Bayleef    92016    92016
    Breloom    92016    77760
    Exeggcute    92016    67068
    Parasect    92016    92016
    Wartortle    91448    91448
    Aerodactyl    91364    99372
    Grumpig    91364    127400
    Seaking    91364    103376
    Tentacruel    91364    135408
    Victreebel    91364    87360
    Qwilfish    91182    76486
    Electivire    90624    104430
    Magmortar    90624    112218
    Ariados    90128    82560
    Camerupt    90128    93912
    Castform    90128    90128
    Cherrim    90128    96320
    Froslass    90128    90128
    Lucario    90128    90128
    Marshtomp    90128    90128
    Mightyena    90128    82560
    Pupitar    90128    90128
    Honchkrow    90092    90092
    Koffing    90028    58788
    Ambipom    89916    89916
    Omanyte    89872    62746
    Mawile    89680    69616
    Sandshrew    89680    52896
    Medicham    88452    88452
    Noctowl    88072    129280
    Nidorina    88064    78776
    Chimecho    87508    94856
    Mantine    87508    138944
    Porygon    87508    91182
    Rapidash    87508    94856
    Xatu    87508    87508
    Linoone    87480    87480
    Skorupi    86904    65036
    Bibarel    86880    86880
    Shellder    86592    43032
    Delcatty    86344    78776
    Girafarig    86344    86344
    Lunatone    86344    101480
    Sceptile    86344    101480
    Weavile    86344    101480
    Purugly    86154    82348
    Wailmer    85840    85840
    Stantler    85750    87850
    Hitmonchan    85728    106400
    Prinplup    85656    91632
    Floatzel    85646    81532
    Gabite    85340    77860
    Gallade    85340    122740
    Gardevoir    85340    122740
    Dodrio    84888    77760
    Dustox    84888    99144
    Electrode    84888    92016
    Gloom    84888    88452
    Kecleon    84888    120528
    Pachirisu    84888    99144
    Rotom    84512    84512
    Wynaut    84316    84316
    Masquerain    84280    99416
    Arbok    84240    91368
    Seviper    84000    84000
    Zangoose    84000    84000
    Fearow    83834    81162
    Poliwhirl    83834    72812
    Chansey    83776    238656
    Banette    83332    82004
    Sableye    82992    76304
    Cacturne    82560    82560
    Manectric    82560    82560
    Venomoth    82560    93912
    Dragonair    81826    85412
    Nincada    81396    46284
    Sunflora    81066    104430
    Clamperl    80830    62746
    Kabuto    80784    54648
    Krabby    80784    43032
    Beldum    80656    68160
    Absol    80160    80160
    Espeon    80160    105878
    Flareon    80160    116900
    Jolteon    80160    105878
    Persian    80160    83834
    Primeape    80160    87508
    Ivysaur    80028    92016
    Grimer    79352    79352
    Kricketune    79118    79118
    Flaaffy    78776    82560
    Turtwig    78186    71906
    Electabuzz    78156    98530
    Magmar    78156    98530
    Combusken    77760    77760
    Gengar    77760    88452
    Misdreavus    77760    95580
    Mismagius    77760    109836
    Shroomish    77760    77760
    Slakoth    77760    59940
    Spinda    77760    77760
    Swellow    77760    70632
    Gulpin    77400    77400
    Houndoom    77172    100536
    Illumise    76486    91182
    Seel    76486    87508
    Volbeat    76486    91182
    Nidorino    76284    74654
    Shellos    76184    87220
    Totodile    75696    65056
    Pidgeotto    75570    71940
    Charmeleon    75520    80320
    Quilava    75520    80320
    Loudred    75516    75516
    Raticate    75360    82268
    Machop    74992    63640
    Marill    74992    74992
    Mothim    74992    74992
    Spheal    74992    74992
    Duskull    74664    74664
    Raichu    74196    92016
    Roserade    74196    109836
    Monferno    74036    74036
    Chikorita    73794    73794
    Chatot    73692    71556
    Clefairy    73616    86344
    Squirtle    73292    72708
    Weepinbell    72812    69138
    Corphish    72790    53650
    Aipom    71906    71906
    Sneasel    71906    85722
    Mr    71284    105648
    Beautifly    70632    70632
    Butterfree    70632    92016
    Lombre    70632    84888
    Minun    70632    95580
    Snover    70632    77760
    Snubbull    70632    63504
    Teddiursa    70632    70632
    Venonat    70632    74196
    Bagon    70560    51156
    Goldeen    70560    64092
    Swablu    70560    80262
    Farfetch    70532    75460
    Drifloon    70272    78720
    Finneon    70064    73386
    Nidoran    70022    61544
    Luxio    69984    69984
    Stunky    69960    65670
    Piplup    69750    71920
    Cascoon    69616    49552
    Metapod    69616    49552
    Ponyta    69616    76304
    Silcoon    69616    49552
    Horsea    69168    43032
    Yanma    69138    69138
    Togepi    68774    68774
    Eevee    68452    78814
    Ledian    68452    109900
    Skiploom    68452    78814
    Staravia    68452    61544
    Hitmonlee    68400    106400
    Chinchou    67968    82128
    Ninjask    67482    71068
    Nuzleaf    67424    67424
    Sharpedo    67424    67424
    Oddish    67326    73794
    Drowzee    67068    99144
    Magnemite    66548    58166
    Luvdisc    66410    72790
    Deoxys    66272    66272
    Larvitar    66272    66272
    Mudkip    66272    66272
    Snorunt    66272    66272
    Vibrava    66272    66272
    Cranidos    66248    58812
    Gible    66240    66240
    Jigglypuff    65968    70742
    Beedrill    65464    94856
    Murkrow    65124    65124
    Psyduck    65056    66272
    Baltoy    65036    74408
    Alakazam    64998    92630
    Growlithe    64998    68452
    Wooper    64998    51182
    Buneary    64370    72848
    Ditto    64200    64200
    Unown    64200    64200
    Anorith    64092    64092
    Chingling    64092    64092
    Kakuna    64092    47922
    Mantyke    64092    109368
    Bulbasaur    63504    73794
    Numel    63504    67068
    Plusle    63504    88452
    Bidoof    63112    63112
    Grovyle    62928    76304
    Roselia    62928    86336
    Skitty    62928    56240
    Paras    62746    62746
    Seedot    61912    49416
    Voltorb    61912    65036
    Jynx    61790    105878
    Barboach    61712    60496
    Mareep    61544    64998
    Cherubi    60858    66150
    Delibird    60858    60858
    Haunter    60858    67326
    Trapinch    60858    60858
    Glameow    60702    57380
    Makuhita    60552    60552
    Meditite    60456    60456
    Staryu    60456    60456
    Spoink    59940    92016
    Chimchar    59860    59860
    Dugtrio    59732    71788
    Azurill    59584    59584
    Cacnea    59584    59584
    Swinub    59584    52896
    Dratini    59202    62348
    Croagunk    58800    58800
    Burmy    58788    58788
    Natu    58788    58788
    Buizel    58090    54636
    Smeargle    58090    64998
    Nidoran    58016    58016
    Torchic    57624    64092
    Charmander    57246    61476
    Cyndaquil    57246    61476
    Doduo    56718    50690
    Hoothoot    56376    75168
    Bellsprout    56240    52896
    Ekans    56170    62198
    Magikarp    55876    37088
    Elekid    55860    67326
    Magby    55860    67326
    Zigzagoon    55720    55720
    Electrike    55664    55664
    Pidgey    55664    52540
    Poliwag    55664    55664
    Riolu    55664    55664
    Slugma    55664    55664
    Spinarak    55664    55664
    Kricketot    55322    55322
    Vulpix    54880    70280
    Caterpie    54390    44688
    Wurmple    54390    51156
    Igglybuff    54144    58368
    Shuppet    54020    52852
    Shinx    53802    53802
    Hoppip    53704    62746
    Combee    53064    53064
    Whismur    52788    52788
    Budew    52540    74408
    Mankey    52540    58788
    Meowth    52540    55664
    Tentacool    52540    93152
    Treecko    52540    65036
    Zubat    52540    55664
    Kirlia    51800    64120
    Cleffa    51680    69616
    Houndour    51156    64092
    Surskit    50836    63332
    Poochyena    50690    47676
    Remoraid    50690    50690
    Tyrogue    50690    50690
    Mime    50508    74664
    Sentret    50142    56718
    Kadabra    49416    74408
    Ledyba    49416    80656
    Lotad    49416    61912
    Spearow    49416    50268
    Starly    49416    49416
    Taillow    49416    49416
    Weedle    49416    43168
    Wingull    49416    49416
    Rattata    48840    48840
    Happiny    48076    101404
    Pikachu    47676    53704
    Gastly    45936    48840
    Sunkern    45936    45936
    Carvanha    44688    44688
    Shedinja    42642    35844
    Ralts    42380    48100
    Smoochum    41454    73794
    Feebas    37088    55876
    Diglett    36512    46368
    Abra    35814    58166
    Pichu    34404    45140
    
    Note: Because I'm lazy, Shedinja's HP isn't 1 when I calculated it. Regardless... as this list is automatically generated... I'm too lazy to change it now. And any battler worth their salt should know that Shedinja doesn't survive anything that can hit it :-/

    EDIT: Major bug found in the defense list. The entire list is worthless. However, the Special List passes the sanity test: Blissey is indeed the #1 special wall in the game. :-/

    EDIT2: Bug fixed... I think. Defense has changed as well as Special Defense.

    Top 100 Special Defense * HP pokemon. Same format as above... Pokemon Number, Physical Defense, and then Special Defense.

    Code:
    Blissey    92820    289170
    Chansey    83776    238656
    Regice    119392    199472
    Giratina    187488    187488
    Ho    127296    185952
    Lugia    163904    185952
    Snorlax    131524    183400
    Cresselia    165168    174936
    Kyogre    123624    168064
    Arceus    165168    165168
    Registeel    159432    159432
    Umbreon    137900    155236
    Milotic    111108    150902
    Shuckle    149816    149816
    Regigigas    148400    148400
    Lapras    131776    147088
    Vaporeon    111360    147088
    Articuno    125952    147072
    Suicune    145844    145844
    Latias    111384    143416
    Palkia    125952    142848
    Probopass    138348    141912
    Munchlax    92904    139830
    Uxie    139476    139476
    Mantine    87508    138944
    Slowking    111896    137900
    Wobbuffet    137824    137824
    Muk    113022    135792
    Tentacruel    91364    135408
    Hypno    97988    135014
    Togekiss    118558    135014
    Lickilicky    134408    134408
    Bastiodon    154872    133488
    Celebi    132512    132512
    Dialga    150288    132512
    Jirachi    132512    132512
    Manaphy    132512    132512
    Mew    132512    132512
    Shaymin    132512    132512
    Tyranitar    141400    132512
    Heatran    132012    132012
    Walrein    129744    129744
    Cradily    121072    129344
    Noctowl    88072    129280
    Gyarados    111108    129232
    Grumpig    91364    127400
    Latios    103376    127400
    Mewtwo    127296    127296
    Rayquaza    126684    126684
    Dragonite    122362    126608
    Slaking    165312    126504
    Politoed    104832    125952
    Raikou    104832    125952
    Lanturn    107144    125304
    Garchomp    133140    123900
    Groudon    168064    123624
    Swampert    123624    123624
    Mesprit    123396    123396
    Empoleon    112344    123132
    Gastrodon    109908    123114
    Bronzong    123032    123032
    Gallade    85340    122740
    Gardevoir    85340    122740
    Blastoise    118736    122718
    Dewgong    109056    121728
    Tropius    116982    120600
    Clefable    105986    120564
    Claydol    109836    120528
    Kecleon    84888    120528
    Altaria    108324    120006
    Ludicolo    95368    119392
    Meganium    119392    119392
    Regirock    199472    119392
    Venusaur    105924    119392
    Dusknoir    119070    119070
    Porygon2    114444    118558
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    Edit: Done. Found a wikipedia list with all the pokemon and names that I used to generate an automatic number-> name converter... assuming wikipedia is true of course :-p

    Okay, thats that. Enjoy the list.

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    Commentary....

    I'll redo my commentary. With the fixing of the bug, the list could have changed.
  2. Mizuno

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    This is great, good job. However, I'm not getting the same results. Are you simply multiplying HP Stat * Defensive Stat? For example, this is what I get if I do that with Girantina:

    504 HP (Max) * 339 Def (Max, Neutral Nature) = 170856
    While instead, you got 165168.

    So, how are you exactly calculating the stat? Maybe there is a mistake somewhere!
  3. Meultima

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    Good point, hmm.
  4. Dragontamer

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    Crap. Time to pull the calculators out to see where this bug is...

    At least I know it effected all pokemon equally. So :-p

    Anyway, I figured it out. All values are 1.1 times larger than they should be. I forgot that HP don't get effected by natures, and if they did you wouldn't want it on HP but instead on Defense :-p

    So anyway, these values are all proportinally correct. Again, it assumes +nature in defense/s. defense, max EVs in all 3 stats, and erm... + nature in HP >.>

    I'll fix that later... but really, it doesn't effect the list so it is on a low priority.
  5. sxcdude

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    awesome research :)
  6. Shank

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    Wow, thats interesting.
  7. Dragontamer

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    Taken Defense list down. Thanks for catching that bug. I'll fix it in the morning. But now... I need sleep.

    The Special Defense List should be working.... I mean, blissey is on top afterall.
  8. david stone

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    Here's an old PM I have saved from a long time ago (before English DP)... The "stat" he's referring to at the start is

    HP / ( 1 / Def + 1 / SDef )

    Blue Yellow Red: anyway obi
    Blue Yellow Red: i calculated that stat for all the DP pokemon
    Blue Yellow Red: it is somewhat interesting what the results are
    Blue Yellow Red: (Giradina) 115%
    (Lugia*) 109%
    (Kureseria) 105%
    (Aruseus*) 102%
    1. Registeel 100%
    2. Regirock/Regice 97%
    4. Shuckle 96%
    (Ho-oh*) 96%
    5. Snorlax 95%
    6. Blissey* 93%
    (Regigigas) 91%
    7. Umbreon* 91%
    8. Toridepusu 90%
    9. Suicune 90%
    (Groudon/Kyogre) 90%
    (Deoxys(LG)*) 88%
    10. Dainoosu 88%
    11. Slaking* 88%
    (Diaruga) 87%
    (Yukishii) 87%
    12. Lapras 84%
    13. Articuno* 84%
    14. Tyranitar 84%
    (Wobbuffet) 84%
    (Parukia) 83%
    15. Beruberuto 82%
    16. Kabarudon* 81%
    (Mew*/Celebi*/Jirachi/Manaphy/Sheimi) 81%
    (Hiidoran) 81%
    17. Steelix 80%
    18. Dosaidon 80%
    19. Milotic* 80%
    20. Walrein 78%

    * means that it learns a move that restores 50% of its HP
    Obi: SOmething finally beats Lugia
    Blue Yellow Red: its that awesome 500 HP
    Blue Yellow Red: i think kabarudon
    Obi: lol
    Blue Yellow Red: is going to be on every team
    Obi: Registeel
    Obi: You said you use max stats?
    Blue Yellow Red: i maximize the value
    Blue Yellow Red: with the 510 EV's
    Blue Yellow Red: plus a nature
    Obi: ah
    Blue Yellow Red: i wrote a program to do that
    Obi: That would take a while to do by hand.
    Blue Yellow Red: and i also took that spreadsheet posted at smogon forums
    Obi: Especially guys like Smogon
    Obi: lol
    Obi: Especially guys like Snorlax, I mean
    Blue Yellow Red: and put it into that
    Blue Yellow Red: yes it does
    Obi: What are these % in terms of?
    Blue Yellow Red: what is interesting is how on pokemon like blissey
    Obi: Because I get regular numbers.
    Obi: 76695.631436314363143631436314363
    Obi: For Lugia
    Blue Yellow Red: it actually should have max HP and max def
    Blue Yellow Red: oh
    Blue Yellow Red: yes
    Blue Yellow Red: you should
    Blue Yellow Red: i did physical resistance
    Blue Yellow Red: special resitance
    Blue Yellow Red: and that statistic
    Obi: Blissey does best overall with Max Def and SDef, I thought
    Blue Yellow Red: all in relation to the highest non-uber pokemon
    Obi: Ah, so Registeel was just made number 1. :)
    Blue Yellow Red: yes
    Blue Yellow Red: when i did my special defense stat
    Blue Yellow Red: it was weird
    Blue Yellow Red: because it was blissey: 100%
    Blue Yellow Red: and everyhing else < 70%
    Obi: lol
    Obi: I would have thought Regice would be at like 80%
    Blue Yellow Red: 1. Blissey* 100%
    2. Regice 69%
    (Giradina) 65%
    (Lugia*/Ho-oh*) 64%
    3. Snorlax 63%
    (Kureseria) 60%
    (Kyogre) 58%
    (Aruseus*) 57%
    4. Registeel 55%
    5. Umbreon* 54%
    6. Milotic* 52%
    7. Shuckle 52%
    (Regigigas) 51%
    8. Lapras/Vaporeon 51%
    9. Articuno* 51%
    10. Suicune 50%
    (Latias*) 50%
    (Parukia) 49%
    11.Dainoosu 49%
    (Deoxys(LG)*) 48%
    (Yukishii) 48%
    12. Mantine 48%
    13. Slowking* 48%
    14. Wobbuffet 48%
    15. Muk 47%
    16. Tentacruel 47%
    17. Hypno/Togekiss* 47%
    18. Beruberuto 46%
    19. Toridepusu 46%
    20. Tyranitar/(Mew*/Celebi*/Jirachi/Diaruga/Manaphy/Sheimi) 46%
    Obi: lol
    Obi: This is for what EVs?
    Obi: 4 HP 252 SDef Calm?
    Obi: Or 252 both?
    Blue Yellow Red: 252 both
    Blue Yellow Red: with the state of defense being so much better
    Blue Yellow Red: we are in for a special dominated generation
    Obi: Does it go something like Regirock, Groudon, Forretress, Deoxys-L, Skarmory for that
    Blue Yellow Red: no
    Blue Yellow Red: skarmory is #20 out of non-ubers
    Blue Yellow Red: lol
    Blue Yellow Red: i was quite surprised
    Obi: Those resistances are pretty nice, I guess
    Obi: That means Deoxys-L is also down there
    Obi: Since it's takes about the same from Rock attacks as Skarmory with a 252 / 252 Spread
    Blue Yellow Red: tyranitar is higher
    Blue Yellow Red: 1. Regirock 100%
    2. Steelix 97%
    (Giradina) 94%
    4. Aggron 87%
    5. Dosaidon 86%
    (Groudon) 84%
    6. Slaking 83%
    (Aruseus/Kureseria) 83%
    (Lugia) 82%
    7. Registeel 80%
    8. Relicanth 80%
    9. Toridepusu 78%
    10. Mojanbo 78%
    11. Kabarudon* 77%
    12. Cloyster 77%
    (Diaruga) 75%
    13. Shuckle 75%
    (Regigigas) 74%
    14. Forretress 74%
    15. Suicune 73%
    16. Golem***tagross 72%
    17. Torkoal 72%
    18. Donphan 72%
    19. Tyranitar 71%
    (Deoxys(LG)*) 70%
    (Yukishii) 70%
    20. Skarmory* 70%
    Blue Yellow Red: yeah
    Blue Yellow Red: its a fraction of a percentage point
    Blue Yellow Red: above skarmory
    Obi: Ah, forgot about Steelix and Aggron
    Blue Yellow Red: kabarudon is at 77%
    Blue Yellow Red: let's see whats good about it
    Blue Yellow Red: its got sand stream
    Blue Yellow Red: a mono ground typing
    Blue Yellow Red: slack off!




    Obviously none of this takes the Sandstorm Special Defense boost, various traits, or anything else like that into account, but yeah. His comment about Blissey having 252 HP and 252 Def also makes me wonder just how accurate that script was for optimizing defense, because 252 Def 252 SDef 4 HP gives higher overall defenses for Blissey.
  9. Matt

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    This is an excellent resource, I've linked to it in the D/P information/resource sticky.
  10. Luck

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    This lend some credit to my Deoxy LG vs Cresselia argument.Which I will save for another day.

    Interesting stuff .What stand for me is Tangrowth defensively and Snorlax on the special defensive side.If you can find two useful moves for Snorlax rest +sleep talk set you could have sort of a poor man cresselia.
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    Ah yes, this is awesome. I had one of these for Advance from Uiru, finally a DP one too. Thanks!
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    good read.
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    What is most telling to me is that Skarmory, the "standard physical wall" of the game... at least in Advance before Roost was avaliable... now has many options, including Forretress who only has a 4x Fire Weakness.

    Also, shuckle's abysmal performance is highlighted even more here. I mean for crying out loud, it isn't even the general wall in the game, Cresslia beats it in both categories.
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    All the more reason to use Registeel as my Specsmence counter :jump:
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    Well that isn't happening so far! =P
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    There's some belief that the problem is Blissey: It's omnipresent, and an incredibly superior wall to the effectiveness of the physical walls.

    There's also the fact that the cool, new sweepers and things are all physical, as well as one of the easiest competitive pokemon to obtain and train: Gyarados.

    I think it's because Azelf looks lame. Physical dudes just LOOK badass, this is the most important thing in Pokemon!
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    I wouldn't call 14th in terms of Defense and 8th in terms of Special Defense abysmal, especially because it's ahead of Skarmory and behind things like Aggron and Bastiodon. >_>

    Edit: I realize Skarmory and other Pokemon have more/different resistances, moves, etc., but it makes no sense that this list should be evidence for it being terrible, based only on the defense stats. How well it actually works is another discussion entirely. Or not.
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    I would. You forget that Skarmory actually has resistances where Shuckle only has weaknesses; and that unlike Shuckle, Skarmory can actually do something.
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    This is a pretty cool resource, thanks for putting the work into it.
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    It made me smile when I saw Slaking #7 on the defense list. It's easy to forget its awesome 150 HP and 100 Def!
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    Very nice research; great thread!
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    Hmm, it seems like I'll have to reformat the data later. The vast majority of pokemon take hits similarly... even though they may be separated by several dozen pokemon. For example, Arcanine vs Heracross is only a 10% difference in physical damage. Certainly notable... but with a difference in ranking of 45 pokemon, you may overestimate the difference.

    On the other hand, a difference of 45 pokemon starting from Regirock down to Mew/Shaymin/Manaphy is a difference of some 50%. Thats how much choice-items boost someone's attack.

    What I'm saying is... don't be fooled by the formatting. Just because pokemon are close together, don't assume they will be similar in combat. I mean, Chansey is #2 in Special Defense compared to Blissey, and I'm sure everyone knows how much that evolution helped Chansey.

    I think formatting this on an exponential scale or some kind of tier list will tell things better than instead of just listing the rankings. With that said, think before you conclude something here.
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    I took my own advice and created the exponential tier list. The tier number is the floor(log_1.1(value)) . Essentially, every tier is a group of pokemon that are within 10% of each other's defense*hp value. So the Sweeper Tier for instance contains Infernape, Starmie, PorygonZ and Azelf. All are quite close to each other in defenses.

    I chose a Pokemon that I recognized well to name each tier. That way, each tier can have a relative value in your mind.

    Inside the tiers, the pokemon are listed in numerical order. It shouldn't make too much a difference. Differences between tiers aren't so great, and a pokemon at a lower tier or even two tiers lower can serve as a better wall. For example, Giratina vs Lugia. Lugia is clearly the better wall with a recovery move, while Giratina is two tiers higher.

    The exponential scale of 10% was chosen pretty much at random. However, I did first split the pokemon into 6 tiers. But ****ing EVERYONE is in the sweeper tier. I mean seriously, EVERYONE is in a single tier. As you can see here, even with a 10% difference between tiers (again, not that much) the tier lists get a little big in the middle.

    EDIT: Last thing. Again, these tiers were calculated on assuming 252 EVs and 31 IVs on all stats, as well as +natures on both SpDef and Def. So again, they are slightly unrealistic, but at least they are consistently unrealistic. I figure this inaccuracy shouldn't be a big problem however.

    Defense Tiers lookup
    Tier 128 Regirock Tier
    Tier 127 Giratina tier
    Tier 126 Cresselia Tier
    Tier 125 Lugia tier
    Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
    Tier 123 Mew Tier
    Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
    Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier
    Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf
    Tier 119 Lucario tier
    Tier 118 Gengar tier
    Tier 117 Butterfree tier
    Tier 116 Alakazam tier
    Tier 115 Dugtrio tier
    Tier 114 Pidgey tier
    Tier 113 Pikachu tier
    Tier 112 Gastly tier
    Tier 111 Ralt tier
    Tier 110 Diglett tier
    Tier 109 Pichu tier

    Code:
    ---Defense Tiers lists---
    Tier 128 Regirock Tier
        Regirock 199472 119392
    
    Tier 127 Giratina tier
        Steelix 193992 88854
        Giratina 187488 187488
    
    Tier 126 Cresselia Tier
        Slaking 165312 126504
        Aggron 173376 82560
        Groudon 168064 123624
        Rhyperior 170996 99386
        Cresselia 165168 174936
        Arceus 165168 165168
        
    
    Tier 125 Lugia tier
        Cloyster 153216 62928
        Rhydon 154008 85698
        Shuckle 149816 149816
        Lugia 163904 185952
        Relicanth 159176 101404
        Registeel 159432 159432
        Bastiodon 154872 133488
        Hippowdon 154560 112140
        Tangrowth 154732 88072
        Dialga 150288 132512
    
    Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
        Golem 143416 91364
        Slowbro 137900 111896
        Umbreon 137900 155236
        Wobbuffet 137824 137824
        Forretress 147264 84960
        Skarmory 138944 87508
        Donphan 142848 92160
        Suicune 145844 145844
        Tyranitar 141400 132512
        Torkoal 143104 90128
        Metagross 143416 111384
        Probopass 138348 141912
        Uxie 139476 139476
        Regigigas 148400 148400
    
    Tier 123 Mew Tier
        Sandslash 123900 81066
        Onix 126040 56718
        Weezing 124248 87508
        Lapras 131776 147088
        Omastar 131752 90128
        Snorlax 131524 183400
        Articuno 125952 147072
        Mewtwo 127296 127296
        Mew 132512 132512
        Sudowoodo 124184 86344
        Miltank 133566 103228
        Entei 128030 118482
        Ho 127296 185952
        Celebi 132512 132512
        Swampert 123624 123624
        Lairon 134784 70632
        Walrein 129744 129744
        Kyogre 123624 168064
        Rayquaza 126684 126684
        Jirachi 132512 132512
        Torterra 133566 116230
        Garchomp 133140 123900
        Magnezone 124184 105264
        Lickilicky 134408 134408
        Leafeon 131596 83834
        Gliscor 135582 96642
        Mesprit 123396 123396
        Palkia 125952 142848
        Heatran 132012 132012
        Manaphy 132512 132512
        Shaymin 132512 132512
    
    Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
        Blastoise 118736 122718
        Nidoqueen 115200 113280
        Poliwrath 121728 117504
        Graveler 113354 64998
        Muk 113022 135792
        Kingler 113354 68452
        Exeggutor 116230 98894
        Marowak 113400 92016
        Rhyhorn 115388 63336
        Tangela 120574 65464
        Kangaskhan 117576 117576
        Tauros 112218 92748
        Zapdos 113280 117504
        Moltres 117504 113280
        Dragonite 122362 126608
        Meganium 119392 119392
        Feraligatr 122672 108834
        Azumarill 114736 114736
        Quagsire 116230 98894
        Gligar 113226 83834
        Scizor 112832 97696
        Magcargo 113088 86336
        Piloswine 114736 96960
        Kingdra 112218 112218
        Porygon2 114444 118558
        Hariyama 118080 118080
        Swalot 117564 117564
        Wailord 112608 112608
        Whiscash 114056 112360
        Cradily 121072 129344
        Armaldo 116112 100536
        Tropius 116982 120600
        Regice 119392 199472
        Empoleon 112344 123132
        Vespiquen 114552 114552
        Bronzong 123032 123032
        Drapion 120400 93912
        Togekiss 118558 135014
        Glaceon 116900 105878
        Mamoswine 120416 101760
        Dusknoir 119070 119070
    
    Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier
        Venusaur 105924 119392
        Clefable 105986 120564
        Vileplume 104430 108324
        Arcanine 109056 109056
        Machamp 109056 113280
        Dewgong 109056 121728
        Lickitung 104832 104832
        Pinsir 109552 87508
        Gyarados 111108 129232
        Vaporeon 111360 147088
        Kabutops 109836 84888
        Crobat 106216 106216
        Lanturn 107144 125304
        Ampharos 104832 117504
        Bellossom 104430 116112
        Politoed 104832 125952
        Slowking 111896 137900
        Dunsparce 105848 101404
        Granbull 104832 92160
        Ursaring 104832 104832
        Raikou 104832 125952
        Pelipper 106272 84888
        Vigoroth 103376 83356
        Nosepass 106920 80784
        Flygon 103376 103376
        Altaria 108324 120006
        Claydol 109836 120528
        Milotic 111108 150902
        Dusclops 111896 111896
        Glalie 103376 103376
        Huntail 106446 85722
        Gorebyss 106446 85722
        Shelgon 109552 72812
        Salamence 111896 111896
        Metang 106272 92016
        Latias 111384 143416
        Latios 103376 127400
        Grotle 104430 88854
        Luxray 102648 102648
        Gastrodon 109908 123114
        Drifblim 103320 114408
        Skuntank 104960 99630
        Spiritomb 105184 105184
        Abomasnow 104832 113280
        Yanmega 112048 87232
        Phione 103376 103376
        Darkrai 105264 105264
    
    Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf
        Charizard 100800 106200
        Pidgeot 101010 96940
        Nidoking 101748 99918
        Ninetales 95550 114800
        Wigglytuff 100188 105512
        Golbat 92748 96642
        Golduck 101920 103376
        Machoke 95368 87360
        Geodude 93152 49416
        Slowpoke 96384 75264
        Magneton 96368 79648
        Hypno 97988 135014
        Cubone 96368 66272
        Seadra 99538 64998
        Starmie 95580 95580
        Mr. Mime 71284 105648
        Scyther 97696 97696
        Typhlosion 100800 106200
        Croconaw 94856 82498
        Furret 93126 85646
        Jumpluff 92748 104430
        Pineco 93024 56240
        Heracross 99372 115388
        Octillery 96642 96642
        Hitmontop 96368 106400
        Blissey 92820 289170
        Blaziken 95368 95368
        Ludicolo 95368 119392
        Exploud 101764 101764
        Aron 99712 59584
        Solrock 101480 86344
        Crawdaunt 97350 75570
        Lileep 93408 100800
        Sealeo 100608 100608
        Infernape 94340 94340
        Staraptor 97988 81532
        Rampardos 95520 86764
        Shieldon 97152 79728
        Wormadam 95580 109836
        Lopunny 97862 106880
        Bronzor 94764 94764
        Bonsly 96368 62928
        Munchlax 92904 139830
        Hippopotas 95200 68340
        Toxicroak 92870 92870
        Carnivine 93984 93984
        Lumineon 94392 101916
        Porygon-Z 97988 102102
        Azelf 92748 92748
    
    Tier 119 Lucario tier
        Wartortle 91448 91448
        Sandshrew 89680 52896
        Nidorina 88064 78776
        Gloom 84888 88452
        Parasect 92016 92016
        Victreebel 91364 87360
        Tentacruel 91364 135408
        Rapidash 87508 94856
        Dodrio 84888 77760
        Shellder 86592 43032
        Electrode 84888 92016
        Exeggcute 92016 67068
        Hitmonchan 85728 106400
        Koffing 90028 58788
        Seaking 91364 103376
        Porygon 87508 91182
        Omanyte 89872 62746
        Aerodactyl 91364 99372
        Bayleef 92016 92016
        Noctowl 88072 129280
        Ariados 90128 82560
        Togetic 92630 106446
        Xatu 87508 87508
        Girafarig 86344 86344
        Qwilfish 91182 76486
        Corsola 92630 92630
        Mantine 87508 138944
        Phanpy 92160 75264
        Stantler 85750 87850
        Pupitar 90128 90128
        Sceptile 86344 101480
        Marshtomp 90128 90128
        Mightyena 90128 82560
        Linoone 87480 87480
        Dustox 84888 99144
        Shiftry 92160 92160
        Gardevoir 85340 122740
        Breloom 92016 77760
        Delcatty 86344 78776
        Mawile 89680 69616
        Medicham 88452 88452
        Wailmer 85840 85840
        Camerupt 90128 93912
        Grumpig 91364 127400
        Lunatone 86344 101480
        Castform 90128 90128
        Kecleon 84888 120528
        Chimecho 87508 94856
        Wynaut 84316 84316
        Prinplup 85656 91632
        Bibarel 86880 86880
        Pachirisu 84888 99144
        Floatzel 85646 81532
        Cherrim 90128 96320
        Ambipom 89916 89916
        Honchkrow 90092 90092
        Purugly 86154 82348
        Gabite 85340 77860
        Lucario 90128 90128
        Skorupi 86904 65036
        Weavile 86344 101480
        Electivire 90624 104430
        Magmortar 90624 112218
        Gallade 85340 122740
        Froslass 90128 90128
        Rotom 84512 84512
    
    Tier 118 Gengar tier
        Ivysaur 80028 92016
        Fearow 83834 81162
        Arbok 84240 91368
        Venomoth 82560 93912
        Persian 80160 83834
        Primeape 80160 87508
        Poliwhirl 83834 72812
        Grimer 79352 79352
        Gengar 77760 88452
        Krabby 80784 43032
        Chansey 83776 238656
        Electabuzz 78156 98530
        Magmar 78156 98530
        Jolteon 80160 105878
        Flareon 80160 116900
        Kabuto 80784 54648
        Dragonair 81826 85412
        Flaaffy 78776 82560
        Sunflora 81066 104430
        Espeon 80160 105878
        Misdreavus 77760 95580
        Houndoom 77172 100536
        Combusken 77760 77760
        Swellow 77760 70632
        Masquerain 84280 99416
        Shroomish 77760 77760
        Slakoth 77760 59940
        Nincada 81396 46284
        Sableye 82992 76304
        Manectric 82560 82560
        Gulpin 77400 77400
        Spinda 77760 77760
        Cacturne 82560 82560
        Zangoose 84000 84000
        Seviper 84000 84000
        Banette 83332 82004
        Absol 80160 80160
        Clamperl 80830 62746
        Beldum 80656 68160
        Turtwig 78186 71906
        Kricketune 79118 79118
        Mismagius 77760 109836
    
    Tier 117 Butterfree tier
        Charmeleon 75520 80320
        Squirtle 73292 72708
        Butterfree 70632 92016
        Pidgeotto 75570 71940
        Raticate 75360 82268
        Raichu 74196 92016
        Nidoran 70022 61544
        Nidorino 76284 74654
        Clefairy 73616 86344
        Venonat 70632 74196
        Machop 74992 63640
        Weepinbell 72812 69138
        Farfetch 70532 75460
        Seel 76486 87508
        Goldeen 70560 64092
        Chikorita 73794 73794
        Quilava 75520 80320
        Totodile 75696 65056
        Marill 74992 74992
        Aipom 71906 71906
        Snubbull 70632 63504
        Sneasel 71906 85722
        Teddiursa 70632 70632
        Beautifly 70632 70632
        Lombre 70632 84888
        Loudred 75516 75516
        Minun 70632 95580
        Volbeat 76486 91182
        Illumise 76486 91182
        Swablu 70560 80262
        Corphish 72790 53650
        Duskull 74664 74664
        Spheal 74992 74992
        Bagon 70560 51156
        Monferno 74036 74036
        Piplup 69750 71920
        Luxio 69984 69984
        Roserade 74196 109836
        Mothim 74992 74992
        Shellos 76184 87220
        Drifloon 70272 78720
        Stunky 69960 65670
        Chatot 73692 71556
        Finneon 70064 73386
        Snover 70632 77760
    
    Tier 116 Alakazam tier
        Bulbasaur 63504 73794
        Metapod 69616 49552
        Kakuna 64092 47922
        Beedrill 65464 94856
        Jigglypuff 65968 70742
        Oddish 67326 73794
        Psyduck 65056 66272
        Growlithe 64998 68452
        Alakazam 64998 92630
        Ponyta 69616 76304
        Magnemite 66548 58166
        Drowzee 67068 99144
        Hitmonlee 68400 106400
        Horsea 69168 43032
        Ditto 64200 64200
        Eevee 68452 78814
        Ledian 68452 109900
        Chinchou 67968 82128
        Togepi 68774 68774
        Skiploom 68452 78814
        Yanma 69138 69138
        Wooper 64998 51182
        Murkrow 65124 65124
        Unown 64200 64200
        Larvitar 66272 66272
        Mudkip 66272 66272
        Silcoon 69616 49552
        Cascoon 69616 49552
        Nuzleaf 67424 67424
        Ninjask 67482 71068
        Plusle 63504 88452
        Sharpedo 67424 67424
        Numel 63504 67068
        Vibrava 66272 66272
        Baltoy 65036 74408
        Anorith 64092 64092
        Snorunt 66272 66272
        Luvdisc 66410 72790
        Deoxys 66272 66272
        Staravia 68452 61544
        Cranidos 66248 58812
        Buneary 64370 72848
        Chingling 64092 64092
        Gible 66240 66240
        Mantyke 64092 109368
    
    Tier 115 Dugtrio tier
        Nidoran 58016 58016
        Paras 62746 62746
        Dugtrio 59732 71788
        Haunter 60858 67326
        Voltorb 61912 65036
        Staryu 60456 60456
        Jynx 61790 105878
        Dratini 59202 62348
        Natu 58788 58788
        Mareep 61544 64998
        Swinub 59584 52896
        Delibird 60858 60858
        Smeargle 58090 64998
        Grovyle 62928 76304
        Torchic 57624 64092
        Seedot 61912 49416
        Makuhita 60552 60552
        Azurill 59584 59584
        Skitty 62928 56240
        Meditite 60456 60456
        Roselia 62928 86336
        Spoink 59940 92016
        Trapinch 60858 60858
        Cacnea 59584 59584
        Barboach 61712 60496
        Chimchar 59860 59860
        Bidoof 63112 63112
        Burmy 58788 58788
        Buizel 58090 54636
        Cherubi 60858 66150
        Glameow 60702 57380
        Croagunk 58800 58800
    
    Tier 114 Pidgey tier
        Charmander 57246 61476
        Caterpie 54390 44688
        Pidgey 55664 52540
        Ekans 56170 62198
        Vulpix 54880 70280
        Zubat 52540 55664
        Meowth 52540 55664
        Mankey 52540 58788
        Poliwag 55664 55664
        Bellsprout 56240 52896
        Tentacool 52540 93152
        Doduo 56718 50690
        Magikarp 55876 37088
        Cyndaquil 57246 61476
        Hoothoot 56376 75168
        Spinarak 55664 55664
        Igglybuff 54144 58368
        Hoppip 53704 62746
        Slugma 55664 55664
        Elekid 55860 67326
        Magby 55860 67326
        Treecko 52540 65036
        Zigzagoon 55720 55720
        Wurmple 54390 51156
        Whismur 52788 52788
        Electrike 55664 55664
        Shuppet 54020 52852
        Kricketot 55322 55322
        Shinx 53802 53802
        Budew 52540 74408
        Combee 53064 53064
        Riolu 55664 55664
    
    Tier 113 Pikachu tier
        Weedle 49416 43168
        Rattata 48840 48840
        Spearow 49416 50268
        Pikachu 47676 53704
        Kadabra 49416 74408
        Sentret 50142 56718
        Ledyba 49416 80656
        Cleffa 51680 69616
        Remoraid 50690 50690
        Houndour 51156 64092
        Tyrogue 50690 50690
        Poochyena 50690 47676
        Lotad 49416 61912
        Taillow 49416 49416
        Wingull 49416 49416
        Kirlia 51800 64120
        Surskit 50836 63332
        Starly 49416 49416
        Mime 50508 74664
        Happiny 48076 101404
    
    Tier 112 Gastly tier
        Gastly 45936 48840
        Sunkern 45936 45936
        Carvanha 44688 44688
    
    Tier 111 Ralt tier
        Smoochum 41454 73794
        Ralts 42380 48100
        Shedinja 42642 35844
    
    Tier 110 Diglett tier
        Diglett 36512 46368
        Abra 35814 58166
        Feebas 37088 55876
    
    Tier 109 Pichu tier
        Pichu 34404 45140
    
    And now the Special Defense Tiers

    Special Defense Tiers lookup

    Tier 131 Blissey Tier
    Tier 130 OMFG Blissey beats the rest so much that this tier is empty tier
    Tier 129 Chansey tier
    Tier 128 Regice tier
    Tier 127 Lugia tier
    Tier 126 Cresselia tier
    Tier 125 Shuckle tier
    Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
    Tier 123 Mew tier
    Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
    Tier 121 Spiritomb tier
    Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie Infernape PorygonZ Azelf
    Tier 119 Alakazam tier
    Tier 118 Staraptor tier
    Tier 117 Ninjask Tier
    Tier 116 Smeargle tier
    Tier 115 Delibird tier
    Tier 114 Pikachu tier
    Tier 113 Metapod tier
    Tier 112 Diglett tier
    Tier 111 Weedle tier
    Tier 110 Magikarp tier

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    Tier 131 Blissey Tier
        Blissey 92820 289170
    
    Tier 130 OMFG Blissey beats the rest so much that this tier is empty tier
    
    Tier 129 Chansey tier
        Chansey 83776 238656
    
    Tier 128 Regice tier
        Regice 119392 199472
    
    Tier 127 Lugia tier
        Snorlax 131524 183400
        Lugia 163904 185952
        Ho 127296 185952
        Giratina 187488 187488
    
    Tier 126 Cresselia tier
        Kyogre 123624 168064
        Cresselia 165168 174936
        Arceus 165168 165168
        
    
    Tier 125 Shuckle tier
        Umbreon 137900 155236
        Shuckle 149816 149816
        Milotic 111108 150902
        Registeel 159432 159432
    
    Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
        Muk 113022 135792
        Lapras 131776 147088
        Vaporeon 111360 147088
        Articuno 125952 147072
        Slowking 111896 137900
        Wobbuffet 137824 137824
        Mantine 87508 138944
        Suicune 145844 145844
        Latias 111384 143416
        Munchlax 92904 139830
        Probopass 138348 141912
        Uxie 139476 139476
        Palkia 125952 142848
        Regigigas 148400 148400
    
    Tier 123 Mew tier
        Tentacruel 91364 135408
        Hypno 97988 135014
        Gyarados 111108 129232
        Dragonite 122362 126608
        Mewtwo 127296 127296
        Mew 132512 132512
        Noctowl 88072 129280
        Lanturn 107144 125304
        Politoed 104832 125952
        Raikou 104832 125952
        Tyranitar 141400 132512
        Celebi 132512 132512
        Swampert 123624 123624
        Slaking 165312 126504
        Grumpig 91364 127400
        Cradily 121072 129344
        Walrein 129744 129744
        Latios 103376 127400
        Groudon 168064 123624
        Rayquaza 126684 126684
        Jirachi 132512 132512
        Bastiodon 154872 133488
        Garchomp 133140 123900
        Lickilicky 134408 134408
        Togekiss 118558 135014
        Mesprit 123396 123396
        Dialga 150288 132512
        Heatran 132012 132012
        Manaphy 132512 132512
        Shaymin 132512 132512
    
    Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
        Venusaur 105924 119392
        Blastoise 118736 122718
        Nidoqueen 115200 113280
        Clefable 105986 120564
        Ninetales 95550 114800
        Poliwrath 121728 117504
        Machamp 109056 113280
        Dewgong 109056 121728
        Kangaskhan 117576 117576
        Flareon 80160 116900
        Zapdos 113280 117504
        Moltres 117504 113280
        Meganium 119392 119392
        Ampharos 104832 117504
        Bellossom 104430 116112
        Azumarill 114736 114736
        Heracross 99372 115388
        Kingdra 112218 112218
        Porygon2 114444 118558
        Entei 128030 118482
        Ludicolo 95368 119392
        Gardevoir 85340 122740
        Hariyama 118080 118080
        Swalot 117564 117564
        Wailord 112608 112608
        Altaria 108324 120006
        Whiscash 114056 112360
        Claydol 109836 120528
        Kecleon 84888 120528
        Tropius 116982 120600
        Regirock 199472 119392
        Torterra 133566 116230
        Empoleon 112344 123132
        Vespiquen 114552 114552
        Gastrodon 109908 123114
        Drifblim 103320 114408
        Bronzong 123032 123032
        Abomasnow 104832 113280
        Magmortar 90624 112218
        Gallade 85340 122740
        Dusknoir 119070 119070
    
    Tier 121 Spiritomb tier
        Charizard 100800 106200
        Wigglytuff 100188 105512
        Vileplume 104430 108324
        Golduck 101920 103376
        Arcanine 109056 109056
        Slowbro 137900 111896
        Hitmonlee 68400 106400
        Hitmonchan 85728 106400
        Lickitung 104832 104832
        Seaking 91364 103376
        Jynx 61790 105878
        Jolteon 80160 105878
        Typhlosion 100800 106200
        Feraligatr 122672 108834
        Ledian 68452 109900
        Crobat 106216 106216
        Togetic 92630 106446
        Jumpluff 92748 104430
        Sunflora 81066 104430
        Espeon 80160 105878
        Ursaring 104832 104832
        Hitmontop 96368 106400
        Miltank 133566 103228
        Flygon 103376 103376
        Dusclops 111896 111896
        Glalie 103376 103376
        Salamence 111896 111896
        Metagross 143416 111384
        Luxray 102648 102648
        Roserade 74196 109836
        Wormadam 95580 109836
        Lopunny 97862 106880
        Mismagius 77760 109836
        Spiritomb 105184 105184
        Hippowdon 154560 112140
        Mantyke 64092 109368
        Magnezone 124184 105264
        Electivire 90624 104430
        Glaceon 116900 105878
        Porygon-Z 97988 102102
        Phione 103376 103376
        Darkrai 105264 105264
    
    Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie Infernape PorygonZ Azelf
        Beedrill 65464 94856
        Pidgeot 101010 96940
        Nidoking 101748 99918
        Golbat 92748 96642
        Venomoth 82560 93912
        Tentacool 52540 93152
        Rapidash 87508 94856
        Drowzee 67068 99144
        Exeggutor 116230 98894
        Starmie 95580 95580
        Mr. Mime 71284 105648
        Scyther 97696 97696
        Electabuzz 78156 98530
        Magmar 78156 98530
        Tauros 112218 92748
        Aerodactyl 91364 99372
        Quagsire 116230 98894
        Misdreavus 77760 95580
        Dunsparce 105848 101404
        Scizor 112832 97696
        Piloswine 114736 96960
        Octillery 96642 96642
        Houndoom 77172 100536
        Sceptile 86344 101480
        Blaziken 95368 95368
        Dustox 84888 99144
        Masquerain 84280 99416
        Exploud 101764 101764
        Minun 70632 95580
        Camerupt 90128 93912
        Lunatone 86344 101480
        Lileep 93408 100800
        Armaldo 116112 100536
        Chimecho 87508 94856
        Sealeo 100608 100608
        Relicanth 159176 101404
        Infernape 94340 94340
        Pachirisu 84888 99144
        Cherrim 90128 96320
        Skuntank 104960 99630
        Bronzor 94764 94764
        Happiny 48076 101404
        Drapion 120400 93912
        Toxicroak 92870 92870
        Carnivine 93984 93984
        Lumineon 94392 101916
        Weavile 86344 101480
        Rhyperior 170996 99386
        Gliscor 135582 96642
        Mamoswine 120416 101760
        Azelf 92748 92748
    
    Tier 119 Alakazam tier
        Ivysaur 80028 92016
        Wartortle 91448 91448
        Butterfree 70632 92016
        Arbok 84240 91368
        Raichu 74196 92016
        Clefairy 73616 86344
        Gloom 84888 88452
        Parasect 92016 92016
        Primeape 80160 87508
        Alakazam 64998 92630
        Machoke 95368 87360
        Victreebel 91364 87360
        Golem 143416 91364
        Seel 76486 87508
        Gengar 77760 88452
        Electrode 84888 92016
        Marowak 113400 92016
        Weezing 124248 87508
        Rhydon 154008 85698
        Pinsir 109552 87508
        Porygon 87508 91182
        Omastar 131752 90128
        Kabutops 109836 84888
        Dragonair 81826 85412
        Bayleef 92016 92016
        Furret 93126 85646
        Xatu 87508 87508
        Sudowoodo 124184 86344
        Girafarig 86344 86344
        Forretress 147264 84960
        Steelix 193992 88854
        Granbull 104832 92160
        Sneasel 71906 85722
        Magcargo 113088 86336
        Corsola 92630 92630
        Skarmory 138944 87508
        Donphan 142848 92160
        Stantler 85750 87850
        Pupitar 90128 90128
        Marshtomp 90128 90128
        Linoone 87480 87480
        Lombre 70632 84888
        Shiftry 92160 92160
        Pelipper 106272 84888
        Medicham 88452 88452
        Plusle 63504 88452
        Volbeat 76486 91182
        Illumise 76486 91182
        Roselia 62928 86336
        Wailmer 85840 85840
        Torkoal 143104 90128
        Spoink 59940 92016
        Solrock 101480 86344
        Castform 90128 90128
        Wynaut 84316 84316
        Huntail 106446 85722
        Gorebyss 106446 85722
        Metang 106272 92016
        Grotle 104430 88854
        Prinplup 85656 91632
        Bibarel 86880 86880
        Rampardos 95520 86764
        Shellos 76184 87220
        Ambipom 89916 89916
        Honchkrow 90092 90092
        Lucario 90128 90128
        Tangrowth 154732 88072
        Yanmega 112048 87232
        Froslass 90128 90128
        Rotom 84512 84512
    
    Tier 118 Staraptor tier
        Charmeleon 75520 80320
        Raticate 75360 82268
        Fearow 83834 81162
        Sandslash 123900 81066
        Nidorina 88064 78776
        Persian 80160 83834
        Magneton 96368 79648
        Dodrio 84888 77760
        Grimer 79352 79352
        Eevee 68452 78814
        Quilava 75520 80320
        Croconaw 94856 82498
        Ledyba 49416 80656
        Ariados 90128 82560
        Chinchou 67968 82128
        Flaaffy 78776 82560
        Skiploom 68452 78814
        Gligar 113226 83834
        Combusken 77760 77760
        Mightyena 90128 82560
        Shroomish 77760 77760
        Breloom 92016 77760
        Vigoroth 103376 83356
        Nosepass 106920 80784
        Delcatty 86344 78776
        Aggron 173376 82560
        Manectric 82560 82560
        Gulpin 77400 77400
        Spinda 77760 77760
        Cacturne 82560 82560
        Swablu 70560 80262
        Zangoose 84000 84000
        Seviper 84000 84000
        Banette 83332 82004
        Absol 80160 80160
        Staraptor 97988 81532
        Kricketune 79118 79118
        Shieldon 97152 79728
        Floatzel 85646 81532
        Drifloon 70272 78720
        Purugly 86154 82348
        Gabite 85340 77860
        Snover 70632 77760
        Leafeon 131596 83834
    
    Tier 117 Ninjask Tier
        Bulbasaur 63504 73794
        Squirtle 73292 72708
        Pidgeotto 75570 71940
        Nidorino 76284 74654
        Vulpix 54880 70280
        Jigglypuff 65968 70742
        Oddish 67326 73794
        Venonat 70632 74196
        Dugtrio 59732 71788
        Poliwhirl 83834 72812
        Kadabra 49416 74408
        Ponyta 69616 76304
        Slowpoke 96384 75264
        Farfetch 70532 75460
        Chikorita 73794 73794
        Hoothoot 56376 75168
        Marill 74992 74992
        Aipom 71906 71906
        Qwilfish 91182 76486
        Teddiursa 70632 70632
        Phanpy 92160 75264
        Smoochum 41454 73794
        Grovyle 62928 76304
        Beautifly 70632 70632
        Swellow 77760 70632
        Ninjask 67482 71068
        Loudred 75516 75516
        Sableye 82992 76304
        Lairon 134784 70632
        Crawdaunt 97350 75570
        Baltoy 65036 74408
        Duskull 74664 74664
        Spheal 74992 74992
        Luvdisc 66410 72790
        Shelgon 109552 72812
        Turtwig 78186 71906
        Monferno 74036 74036
        Piplup 69750 71920
        Luxio 69984 69984
        Budew 52540 74408
        Mothim 74992 74992
        Buneary 64370 72848
        Mime 50508 74664
        Chatot 73692 71556
        Finneon 70064 73386
    
    Tier 116 Smeargle tier
        Psyduck 65056 66272
        Growlithe 64998 68452
        Machop 74992 63640
        Weepinbell 72812 69138
        Graveler 113354 64998
        Haunter 60858 67326
        Kingler 113354 68452
        Voltorb 61912 65036
        Exeggcute 92016 67068
        Cubone 96368 66272
        Rhyhorn 115388 63336
        Tangela 120574 65464
        Seadra 99538 64998
        Goldeen 70560 64092
        Ditto 64200 64200
        Totodile 75696 65056
        Cleffa 51680 69616
        Togepi 68774 68774
        Mareep 61544 64998
        Yanma 69138 69138
        Murkrow 65124 65124
        Unown 64200 64200
        Snubbull 70632 63504
        Houndour 51156 64092
        Smeargle 58090 64998
        Elekid 55860 67326
        Magby 55860 67326
        Larvitar 66272 66272
        Treecko 52540 65036
        Torchic 57624 64092
        Mudkip 66272 66272
        Nuzleaf 67424 67424
        Kirlia 51800 64120
        Surskit 50836 63332
        Mawile 89680 69616
        Sharpedo 67424 67424
        Numel 63504 67068
        Vibrava 66272 66272
        Anorith 64092 64092
        Snorunt 66272 66272
        Beldum 80656 68160
        Deoxys 66272 66272
        Cherubi 60858 66150
        Chingling 64092 64092
        Stunky 69960 65670
        Gible 66240 66240
        Hippopotas 95200 68340
        Skorupi 86904 65036
    
    Tier 115 Delibird tier
        Charmander 57246 61476
        Ekans 56170 62198
        Nidoran 70022 61544
        Nidoran 58016 58016
        Paras 62746 62746
        Mankey 52540 58788
        Abra 35814 58166
        Magnemite 66548 58166
        Cloyster 153216 62928
        Koffing 90028 58788
        Staryu 60456 60456
        Omanyte 89872 62746
        Dratini 59202 62348
        Cyndaquil 57246 61476
        Igglybuff 54144 58368
        Natu 58788 58788
        Hoppip 53704 62746
        Delibird 60858 60858
        Lotad 49416 61912
        Slakoth 77760 59940
        Makuhita 60552 60552
        Azurill 59584 59584
        Aron 99712 59584
        Meditite 60456 60456
        Trapinch 60858 60858
        Cacnea 59584 59584
        Barboach 61712 60496
        Clamperl 80830 62746
        Chimchar 59860 59860
        Staravia 68452 61544
        Bidoof 63112 63112
        Cranidos 66248 58812
        Burmy 58788 58788
        Bonsly 96368 62928
        Croagunk 58800 58800
    
    Tier 114 Pikachu tier
        Pidgey 55664 52540
        Pikachu 47676 53704
        Sandshrew 89680 52896
        Zubat 52540 55664
        Meowth 52540 55664
        Poliwag 55664 55664
        Bellsprout 56240 52896
        Onix 126040 56718
        Kabuto 80784 54648
        Sentret 50142 56718
        Spinarak 55664 55664
        Pineco 93024 56240
        Slugma 55664 55664
        Swinub 59584 52896
        Zigzagoon 55720 55720
        Whismur 52788 52788
        Skitty 62928 56240
        Electrike 55664 55664
        Corphish 72790 53650
        Feebas 37088 55876
        Shuppet 54020 52852
        Kricketot 55322 55322
        Shinx 53802 53802
        Combee 53064 53064
        Buizel 58090 54636
        Glameow 60702 57380
        Riolu 55664 55664
    
    Tier 113 Metapod tier
        Metapod 69616 49552
        Kakuna 64092 47922
        Rattata 48840 48840
        Spearow 49416 50268
        Geodude 93152 49416
        Doduo 56718 50690
        Gastly 45936 48840
        Wooper 64998 51182
        Remoraid 50690 50690
        Tyrogue 50690 50690
        Poochyena 50690 47676
        Wurmple 54390 51156
        Silcoon 69616 49552
        Cascoon 69616 49552
        Seedot 61912 49416
        Taillow 49416 49416
        Wingull 49416 49416
        Ralts 42380 48100
        Bagon 70560 51156
        Starly 49416 49416
    
    Tier 112 Diglett tier
        Caterpie 54390 44688
        Diglett 36512 46368
        Pichu 34404 45140
        Sunkern 45936 45936
        Nincada 81396 46284
        Carvanha 44688 44688
    
    Tier 111 Weedle tier
        Weedle 49416 43168
        Shellder 86592 43032
        Krabby 80784 43032
        Horsea 69168 43032
    
    Tier 110 Magikarp tier
        Magikarp 55876 37088
        Shedinja 42642 35844
    Finally, the cool thing about these tiers is that Sandstorm and Intimidate, as well as various stat up/downs can be easily calculated.

    A 50% change is 4.25 tiers. (Bulk Up, Cosmic Power, Intimidate and Sandstorm)
    A 100% change is 7.3 tiers (Amnesia, Barrier)
    A 150% change is 9.6 tiers
    A 200% change is 11.5 tiers (Not Very effective and Super Effective)
    250% is 13.14 tiers
    300% change is 14.54 tiers (Max Amnesia)
    400% change is 16.8 tiers (4x NVE or 4x Super Effective)
    a n% change is log_1.1(n/100 + 1) tiers

    That said, if two things effect each other independantly, add their changes, don't multiply. These tiers are on an exponential scale. For example, If you have Intimidate and then use Barrier, change 4.25 + 7.3 tiers == 11.55 tiers

    Similarly, you can go down tiers. Normal Super Effective cuts you down 11.5 tiers, while 4x effective cuts you down almost 17 tiers.
  24. GRAAAGH

    GRAAAGH

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    So if i'm understanding this right, then this is just of a show of the top 100 pokemon's (of each defense type) defensive potential? with the tiers lists showing pokemon that can wall on roughly the same level grouped together? if so, then that is awesome and thanks a bunch
  25. Luck

    Luck

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    Where are Deoxys?Namely LG? Edit(I see it by beldum?)

    Also the top defensives types Steel,Rock have weakness to ground,fighting also with their assorted other weakness.The one main poke that avoids that curse skarmory is probably the best defense poke .

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