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# Max HP * Max Defense charts

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Dragontamer, Jul 10, 2007.

1. ### Dragontamer

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EDIT: There is a new thread here. This thread is now obsolete. All the important stuff in in the previous thread. This thread here is just for historical purposes now.

The defense stat of a pokemon tells a lot. However, it doesn't tell the whole picture, as Shuckle would then be the best defensive pokemon in the game, which is certainly not true.

Similarly, HP doesn't tell everything, else Blissey would be the best physical wall in the game, which is certainly not true.

So what we are really looking for is the best HP * defense and the best HP * SpDefense. Not just one stat or the other. To show that this is indeed what we wish for, we start with the damage formula here:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16121

(((((2 + (Level × 2 ÷ 5)) × BasePower × [Sp]Atk) ÷ [Sp]Def) ÷ 50) + 2) × CH × (rand(85,100) / 100) × STAB × Type1Effectiveness × Type2Effectiveness = damage in Hit Points

Divide both sides by max hp and we get:

blah blah / maxHP == damage in HP / maxHP == % damage

Of which there is a lot of unnecessary clutter, but eventually we can prove from the above formulas that:

((2+(2*lvl/5)) * BasePower * (S)Atk)/ (50 * def * hp) is roughly proportional to % hp damage.

There, now the general relationship basically becomes that % hp lost is just about indirectly proportional to defense * hp. So this method is mathematically sound.

But before I post the list... I should note how I calculated this for those curious to repeat my results. I took the Javascript source here:
http://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calcdp.shtml

The said file contains the statistics of all 493 pokemon in a Javascript array. I assume it is correct. From there, I parsed it into a C++ .h file and then made a program that printed the values for the list... well... kinda. I then used Gnumeric to sort the lists appropriately.

And now I'm too lazy to move the names to the actual lists... but I'll put some notable pokemon's names next to their pokemon numbers.

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For those who skipped down to the list, here's the important tidbits: I'm assuming 252/252/252 EV spread. Yes, thats right, max EVs in both HP and Defense and Special Defense. Slightly unrealistic, but I figure it makes sense from a wall point of view. Also, I'm assuming 31 IVs. I doubt this will change much in the ways of calculations.

Top 100 defense * hp pokemon.
Pokemon number | Defense*hp | Special Defense * hp
Code:
```Regirock    199472    119392
Steelix    193992    88854
Giratina    187488    187488
Aggron    173376    82560
Rhyperior    170996    99386
Groudon    168064    123624
Slaking    165312    126504
Arceus    165168    165168
Cresselia    165168    174936
Lugia    163904    185952
Registeel    159432    159432
Relicanth    159176    101404
Bastiodon    154872    133488
Tangrowth    154732    88072
Hippowdon    154560    112140
Rhydon    154008    85698
Cloyster    153216    62928
Dialga    150288    132512
Shuckle    149816    149816
Regigigas    148400    148400
Forretress    147264    84960
Suicune    145844    145844
Golem    143416    91364
Metagross    143416    111384
Torkoal    143104    90128
Donphan    142848    92160
Tyranitar    141400    132512
Uxie    139476    139476
Skarmory    138944    87508
Probopass    138348    141912
Slowbro    137900    111896
Umbreon    137900    155236
Wobbuffet    137824    137824
Gliscor    135582    96642
Lairon    134784    70632
Lickilicky    134408    134408
Miltank    133566    103228
Torterra    133566    116230
Garchomp    133140    123900
Celebi    132512    132512
Jirachi    132512    132512
Manaphy    132512    132512
Mew    132512    132512
Shaymin    132512    132512
Heatran    132012    132012
Lapras    131776    147088
Omastar    131752    90128
Leafeon    131596    83834
Snorlax    131524    183400
Walrein    129744    129744
Entei    128030    118482
Ho    127296    185952
Mewtwo    127296    127296
Rayquaza    126684    126684
Onix    126040    56718
Articuno    125952    147072
Palkia    125952    142848
Weezing    124248    87508
Magnezone    124184    105264
Sudowoodo    124184    86344
Sandslash    123900    81066
Kyogre    123624    168064
Swampert    123624    123624
Mesprit    123396    123396
Bronzong    123032    123032
Feraligatr    122672    108834
Dragonite    122362    126608
Poliwrath    121728    117504
Cradily    121072    129344
Tangela    120574    65464
Mamoswine    120416    101760
Drapion    120400    93912
Meganium    119392    119392
Regice    119392    199472
Dusknoir    119070    119070
Blastoise    118736    122718
Togekiss    118558    135014
Hariyama    118080    118080
Kangaskhan    117576    117576
Swalot    117564    117564
Moltres    117504    113280
Tropius    116982    120600
Glaceon    116900    105878
Exeggutor    116230    98894
Quagsire    116230    98894
Armaldo    116112    100536
Rhyhorn    115388    63336
Nidoqueen    115200    113280
Azumarill    114736    114736
Piloswine    114736    96960
Vespiquen    114552    114552
Porygon2    114444    118558
Whiscash    114056    112360
Marowak    113400    92016
Graveler    113354    64998
Kingler    113354    68452
Zapdos    113280    117504
Gligar    113226    83834
Magcargo    113088    86336
Muk    113022    135792
Scizor    112832    97696
Wailord    112608    112608
Empoleon    112344    123132
Kingdra    112218    112218
Tauros    112218    92748
Yanmega    112048    87232
Dusclops    111896    111896
Salamence    111896    111896
Slowking    111896    137900
Latias    111384    143416
Vaporeon    111360    147088
Gyarados    111108    129232
Milotic    111108    150902
Gastrodon    109908    123114
Claydol    109836    120528
Kabutops    109836    84888
Pinsir    109552    87508
Shelgon    109552    72812
Arcanine    109056    109056
Dewgong    109056    121728
Machamp    109056    113280
Altaria    108324    120006
Lanturn    107144    125304
Nosepass    106920    80784
Gorebyss    106446    85722
Huntail    106446    85722
Metang    106272    92016
Pelipper    106272    84888
Crobat    106216    106216
Clefable    105986    120564
Venusaur    105924    119392
Dunsparce    105848    101404
Darkrai    105264    105264
Spiritomb    105184    105184
Skuntank    104960    99630
Abomasnow    104832    113280
Ampharos    104832    117504
Granbull    104832    92160
Lickitung    104832    104832
Politoed    104832    125952
Raikou    104832    125952
Ursaring    104832    104832
Bellossom    104430    116112
Grotle    104430    88854
Vileplume    104430    108324
Flygon    103376    103376
Glalie    103376    103376
Latios    103376    127400
Phione    103376    103376
Vigoroth    103376    83356
Drifblim    103320    114408
Luxray    102648    102648
Golduck    101920    103376
Exploud    101764    101764
Nidoking    101748    99918
Solrock    101480    86344
Pidgeot    101010    96940
Charizard    100800    106200
Typhlosion    100800    106200
Sealeo    100608    100608
Wigglytuff    100188    105512
Aron    99712    59584
Seadra    99538    64998
Heracross    99372    115388
Hypno    97988    135014
Porygon    97988    102102
Staraptor    97988    81532
Lopunny    97862    106880
Scyther    97696    97696
Crawdaunt    97350    75570
Shieldon    97152    79728
Octillery    96642    96642
Slowpoke    96384    75264
Bonsly    96368    62928
Cubone    96368    66272
Hitmontop    96368    106400
Magneton    96368    79648
Starmie    95580    95580
Wormadam    95580    109836
Ninetales    95550    114800
Rampardos    95520    86764
Blaziken    95368    95368
Ludicolo    95368    119392
Machoke    95368    87360
Hippopotas    95200    68340
Croconaw    94856    82498
Bronzor    94764    94764
Lumineon    94392    101916
Infernape    94340    94340
Carnivine    93984    93984
Lileep    93408    100800
Geodude    93152    49416
Furret    93126    85646
Pineco    93024    56240
Munchlax    92904    139830
Toxicroak    92870    92870
Blissey    92820    289170
Azelf    92748    92748
Golbat    92748    96642
Jumpluff    92748    104430
Corsola    92630    92630
Togetic    92630    106446
Phanpy    92160    75264
Shiftry    92160    92160
Bayleef    92016    92016
Breloom    92016    77760
Exeggcute    92016    67068
Parasect    92016    92016
Wartortle    91448    91448
Aerodactyl    91364    99372
Grumpig    91364    127400
Seaking    91364    103376
Tentacruel    91364    135408
Victreebel    91364    87360
Qwilfish    91182    76486
Electivire    90624    104430
Magmortar    90624    112218
Ariados    90128    82560
Camerupt    90128    93912
Castform    90128    90128
Cherrim    90128    96320
Froslass    90128    90128
Lucario    90128    90128
Marshtomp    90128    90128
Mightyena    90128    82560
Pupitar    90128    90128
Honchkrow    90092    90092
Koffing    90028    58788
Ambipom    89916    89916
Omanyte    89872    62746
Mawile    89680    69616
Sandshrew    89680    52896
Medicham    88452    88452
Noctowl    88072    129280
Nidorina    88064    78776
Chimecho    87508    94856
Mantine    87508    138944
Porygon    87508    91182
Rapidash    87508    94856
Xatu    87508    87508
Linoone    87480    87480
Skorupi    86904    65036
Bibarel    86880    86880
Shellder    86592    43032
Delcatty    86344    78776
Girafarig    86344    86344
Lunatone    86344    101480
Sceptile    86344    101480
Weavile    86344    101480
Purugly    86154    82348
Wailmer    85840    85840
Stantler    85750    87850
Hitmonchan    85728    106400
Prinplup    85656    91632
Floatzel    85646    81532
Gabite    85340    77860
Gallade    85340    122740
Gardevoir    85340    122740
Dodrio    84888    77760
Dustox    84888    99144
Electrode    84888    92016
Gloom    84888    88452
Kecleon    84888    120528
Pachirisu    84888    99144
Rotom    84512    84512
Wynaut    84316    84316
Masquerain    84280    99416
Arbok    84240    91368
Seviper    84000    84000
Zangoose    84000    84000
Fearow    83834    81162
Poliwhirl    83834    72812
Chansey    83776    238656
Banette    83332    82004
Sableye    82992    76304
Cacturne    82560    82560
Manectric    82560    82560
Venomoth    82560    93912
Dragonair    81826    85412
Nincada    81396    46284
Sunflora    81066    104430
Clamperl    80830    62746
Kabuto    80784    54648
Krabby    80784    43032
Beldum    80656    68160
Absol    80160    80160
Espeon    80160    105878
Flareon    80160    116900
Jolteon    80160    105878
Persian    80160    83834
Primeape    80160    87508
Ivysaur    80028    92016
Grimer    79352    79352
Kricketune    79118    79118
Flaaffy    78776    82560
Turtwig    78186    71906
Electabuzz    78156    98530
Magmar    78156    98530
Combusken    77760    77760
Gengar    77760    88452
Misdreavus    77760    95580
Mismagius    77760    109836
Shroomish    77760    77760
Slakoth    77760    59940
Spinda    77760    77760
Swellow    77760    70632
Gulpin    77400    77400
Houndoom    77172    100536
Illumise    76486    91182
Seel    76486    87508
Volbeat    76486    91182
Nidorino    76284    74654
Shellos    76184    87220
Totodile    75696    65056
Pidgeotto    75570    71940
Charmeleon    75520    80320
Quilava    75520    80320
Loudred    75516    75516
Raticate    75360    82268
Machop    74992    63640
Marill    74992    74992
Mothim    74992    74992
Spheal    74992    74992
Duskull    74664    74664
Raichu    74196    92016
Roserade    74196    109836
Monferno    74036    74036
Chikorita    73794    73794
Chatot    73692    71556
Clefairy    73616    86344
Squirtle    73292    72708
Weepinbell    72812    69138
Corphish    72790    53650
Aipom    71906    71906
Sneasel    71906    85722
Mr    71284    105648
Beautifly    70632    70632
Butterfree    70632    92016
Lombre    70632    84888
Minun    70632    95580
Snover    70632    77760
Snubbull    70632    63504
Teddiursa    70632    70632
Venonat    70632    74196
Bagon    70560    51156
Goldeen    70560    64092
Swablu    70560    80262
Farfetch    70532    75460
Drifloon    70272    78720
Finneon    70064    73386
Nidoran    70022    61544
Luxio    69984    69984
Stunky    69960    65670
Piplup    69750    71920
Cascoon    69616    49552
Metapod    69616    49552
Ponyta    69616    76304
Silcoon    69616    49552
Horsea    69168    43032
Yanma    69138    69138
Togepi    68774    68774
Eevee    68452    78814
Ledian    68452    109900
Skiploom    68452    78814
Staravia    68452    61544
Hitmonlee    68400    106400
Chinchou    67968    82128
Ninjask    67482    71068
Nuzleaf    67424    67424
Sharpedo    67424    67424
Oddish    67326    73794
Drowzee    67068    99144
Magnemite    66548    58166
Luvdisc    66410    72790
Deoxys    66272    66272
Larvitar    66272    66272
Mudkip    66272    66272
Snorunt    66272    66272
Vibrava    66272    66272
Cranidos    66248    58812
Gible    66240    66240
Jigglypuff    65968    70742
Beedrill    65464    94856
Murkrow    65124    65124
Psyduck    65056    66272
Baltoy    65036    74408
Alakazam    64998    92630
Growlithe    64998    68452
Wooper    64998    51182
Buneary    64370    72848
Ditto    64200    64200
Unown    64200    64200
Anorith    64092    64092
Chingling    64092    64092
Kakuna    64092    47922
Mantyke    64092    109368
Bulbasaur    63504    73794
Numel    63504    67068
Plusle    63504    88452
Bidoof    63112    63112
Grovyle    62928    76304
Roselia    62928    86336
Skitty    62928    56240
Paras    62746    62746
Seedot    61912    49416
Voltorb    61912    65036
Jynx    61790    105878
Barboach    61712    60496
Mareep    61544    64998
Cherubi    60858    66150
Delibird    60858    60858
Haunter    60858    67326
Trapinch    60858    60858
Glameow    60702    57380
Makuhita    60552    60552
Meditite    60456    60456
Staryu    60456    60456
Spoink    59940    92016
Chimchar    59860    59860
Dugtrio    59732    71788
Azurill    59584    59584
Cacnea    59584    59584
Swinub    59584    52896
Dratini    59202    62348
Croagunk    58800    58800
Burmy    58788    58788
Natu    58788    58788
Buizel    58090    54636
Smeargle    58090    64998
Nidoran    58016    58016
Torchic    57624    64092
Charmander    57246    61476
Cyndaquil    57246    61476
Doduo    56718    50690
Hoothoot    56376    75168
Bellsprout    56240    52896
Ekans    56170    62198
Magikarp    55876    37088
Elekid    55860    67326
Magby    55860    67326
Zigzagoon    55720    55720
Electrike    55664    55664
Pidgey    55664    52540
Poliwag    55664    55664
Riolu    55664    55664
Slugma    55664    55664
Spinarak    55664    55664
Kricketot    55322    55322
Vulpix    54880    70280
Caterpie    54390    44688
Wurmple    54390    51156
Igglybuff    54144    58368
Shuppet    54020    52852
Shinx    53802    53802
Hoppip    53704    62746
Combee    53064    53064
Whismur    52788    52788
Budew    52540    74408
Mankey    52540    58788
Meowth    52540    55664
Tentacool    52540    93152
Treecko    52540    65036
Zubat    52540    55664
Kirlia    51800    64120
Cleffa    51680    69616
Houndour    51156    64092
Surskit    50836    63332
Poochyena    50690    47676
Remoraid    50690    50690
Tyrogue    50690    50690
Mime    50508    74664
Sentret    50142    56718
Kadabra    49416    74408
Ledyba    49416    80656
Lotad    49416    61912
Spearow    49416    50268
Starly    49416    49416
Taillow    49416    49416
Weedle    49416    43168
Wingull    49416    49416
Rattata    48840    48840
Happiny    48076    101404
Pikachu    47676    53704
Gastly    45936    48840
Sunkern    45936    45936
Carvanha    44688    44688
Shedinja    42642    35844
Ralts    42380    48100
Smoochum    41454    73794
Feebas    37088    55876
Diglett    36512    46368
Abra    35814    58166
Pichu    34404    45140
```
Note: Because I'm lazy, Shedinja's HP isn't 1 when I calculated it. Regardless... as this list is automatically generated... I'm too lazy to change it now. And any battler worth their salt should know that Shedinja doesn't survive anything that can hit it :-/

EDIT: Major bug found in the defense list. The entire list is worthless. However, the Special List passes the sanity test: Blissey is indeed the #1 special wall in the game. :-/

EDIT2: Bug fixed... I think. Defense has changed as well as Special Defense.

Top 100 Special Defense * HP pokemon. Same format as above... Pokemon Number, Physical Defense, and then Special Defense.

Code:
```Blissey    92820    289170
Chansey    83776    238656
Regice    119392    199472
Giratina    187488    187488
Ho    127296    185952
Lugia    163904    185952
Snorlax    131524    183400
Cresselia    165168    174936
Kyogre    123624    168064
Arceus    165168    165168
Registeel    159432    159432
Umbreon    137900    155236
Milotic    111108    150902
Shuckle    149816    149816
Regigigas    148400    148400
Lapras    131776    147088
Vaporeon    111360    147088
Articuno    125952    147072
Suicune    145844    145844
Latias    111384    143416
Palkia    125952    142848
Probopass    138348    141912
Munchlax    92904    139830
Uxie    139476    139476
Mantine    87508    138944
Slowking    111896    137900
Wobbuffet    137824    137824
Muk    113022    135792
Tentacruel    91364    135408
Hypno    97988    135014
Togekiss    118558    135014
Lickilicky    134408    134408
Bastiodon    154872    133488
Celebi    132512    132512
Dialga    150288    132512
Jirachi    132512    132512
Manaphy    132512    132512
Mew    132512    132512
Shaymin    132512    132512
Tyranitar    141400    132512
Heatran    132012    132012
Walrein    129744    129744
Cradily    121072    129344
Noctowl    88072    129280
Gyarados    111108    129232
Grumpig    91364    127400
Latios    103376    127400
Mewtwo    127296    127296
Rayquaza    126684    126684
Dragonite    122362    126608
Slaking    165312    126504
Politoed    104832    125952
Raikou    104832    125952
Lanturn    107144    125304
Garchomp    133140    123900
Groudon    168064    123624
Swampert    123624    123624
Mesprit    123396    123396
Empoleon    112344    123132
Gastrodon    109908    123114
Bronzong    123032    123032
Gallade    85340    122740
Gardevoir    85340    122740
Blastoise    118736    122718
Dewgong    109056    121728
Tropius    116982    120600
Clefable    105986    120564
Claydol    109836    120528
Kecleon    84888    120528
Altaria    108324    120006
Ludicolo    95368    119392
Meganium    119392    119392
Regirock    199472    119392
Venusaur    105924    119392
Dusknoir    119070    119070
Porygon2    114444    118558
Entei    128030    118482
Hariyama    118080    118080
Kangaskhan    117576    117576
Swalot    117564    117564
Ampharos    104832    117504
Poliwrath    121728    117504
Zapdos    113280    117504
Flareon    80160    116900
Torterra    133566    116230
Bellossom    104430    116112
Heracross    99372    115388
Ninetales    95550    114800
Azumarill    114736    114736
Vespiquen    114552    114552
Drifblim    103320    114408
Abomasnow    104832    113280
Machamp    109056    113280
Moltres    117504    113280
Nidoqueen    115200    113280
Wailord    112608    112608
Whiscash    114056    112360
Kingdra    112218    112218
Magmortar    90624    112218
Hippowdon    154560    112140
Dusclops    111896    111896
Salamence    111896    111896
Slowbro    137900    111896
Metagross    143416    111384
Ledian    68452    109900
Mismagius    77760    109836
Roserade    74196    109836
Wormadam    95580    109836
Mantyke    64092    109368
Arcanine    109056    109056
Feraligatr    122672    108834
Vileplume    104430    108324
Lopunny    97862    106880
Togetic    92630    106446
Hitmonchan    85728    106400
Hitmonlee    68400    106400
Hitmontop    96368    106400
Crobat    106216    106216
Charizard    100800    106200
Typhlosion    100800    106200
Espeon    80160    105878
Glaceon    116900    105878
Jolteon    80160    105878
Jynx    61790    105878
Mr    71284    105648
Wigglytuff    100188    105512
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Edit: Done. Found a wikipedia list with all the pokemon and names that I used to generate an automatic number-> name converter... assuming wikipedia is true of course :-p

Okay, thats that. Enjoy the list.

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Commentary....

I'll redo my commentary. With the fixing of the bug, the list could have changed.
2. ### Mizuno

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This is great, good job. However, I'm not getting the same results. Are you simply multiplying HP Stat * Defensive Stat? For example, this is what I get if I do that with Girantina:

504 HP (Max) * 339 Def (Max, Neutral Nature) = 170856
While instead, you got 165168.

So, how are you exactly calculating the stat? Maybe there is a mistake somewhere!
3. ### Meultima

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Good point, hmm.
4. ### Dragontamer

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Crap. Time to pull the calculators out to see where this bug is...

At least I know it effected all pokemon equally. So :-p

Anyway, I figured it out. All values are 1.1 times larger than they should be. I forgot that HP don't get effected by natures, and if they did you wouldn't want it on HP but instead on Defense :-p

So anyway, these values are all proportinally correct. Again, it assumes +nature in defense/s. defense, max EVs in all 3 stats, and erm... + nature in HP >.>

I'll fix that later... but really, it doesn't effect the list so it is on a low priority.
5. ### sxcdude

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awesome research :)
6. ### Shank

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Wow, thats interesting.
7. ### Dragontamer

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Taken Defense list down. Thanks for catching that bug. I'll fix it in the morning. But now... I need sleep.

The Special Defense List should be working.... I mean, blissey is on top afterall.
8. ### david stoneFast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming.

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Here's an old PM I have saved from a long time ago (before English DP)... The "stat" he's referring to at the start is

HP / ( 1 / Def + 1 / SDef )

Blue Yellow Red: anyway obi
Blue Yellow Red: i calculated that stat for all the DP pokemon
Blue Yellow Red: it is somewhat interesting what the results are
Blue Yellow Red: (Giradina) 115%
(Lugia*) 109%
(Kureseria) 105%
(Aruseus*) 102%
1. Registeel 100%
2. Regirock/Regice 97%
4. Shuckle 96%
(Ho-oh*) 96%
5. Snorlax 95%
6. Blissey* 93%
(Regigigas) 91%
7. Umbreon* 91%
8. Toridepusu 90%
9. Suicune 90%
(Groudon/Kyogre) 90%
(Deoxys(LG)*) 88%
10. Dainoosu 88%
11. Slaking* 88%
(Diaruga) 87%
(Yukishii) 87%
12. Lapras 84%
13. Articuno* 84%
14. Tyranitar 84%
(Wobbuffet) 84%
(Parukia) 83%
15. Beruberuto 82%
16. Kabarudon* 81%
(Mew*/Celebi*/Jirachi/Manaphy/Sheimi) 81%
(Hiidoran) 81%
17. Steelix 80%
18. Dosaidon 80%
19. Milotic* 80%
20. Walrein 78%

* means that it learns a move that restores 50% of its HP
Obi: SOmething finally beats Lugia
Blue Yellow Red: its that awesome 500 HP
Blue Yellow Red: i think kabarudon
Obi: lol
Blue Yellow Red: is going to be on every team
Obi: Registeel
Obi: You said you use max stats?
Blue Yellow Red: i maximize the value
Blue Yellow Red: with the 510 EV's
Blue Yellow Red: plus a nature
Obi: ah
Blue Yellow Red: i wrote a program to do that
Obi: That would take a while to do by hand.
Blue Yellow Red: and i also took that spreadsheet posted at smogon forums
Obi: Especially guys like Smogon
Obi: lol
Obi: Especially guys like Snorlax, I mean
Blue Yellow Red: and put it into that
Blue Yellow Red: yes it does
Obi: What are these % in terms of?
Blue Yellow Red: what is interesting is how on pokemon like blissey
Obi: Because I get regular numbers.
Obi: 76695.631436314363143631436314363
Obi: For Lugia
Blue Yellow Red: it actually should have max HP and max def
Blue Yellow Red: oh
Blue Yellow Red: yes
Blue Yellow Red: you should
Blue Yellow Red: i did physical resistance
Blue Yellow Red: special resitance
Blue Yellow Red: and that statistic
Obi: Blissey does best overall with Max Def and SDef, I thought
Blue Yellow Red: all in relation to the highest non-uber pokemon
Obi: Ah, so Registeel was just made number 1. :)
Blue Yellow Red: yes
Blue Yellow Red: when i did my special defense stat
Blue Yellow Red: it was weird
Blue Yellow Red: because it was blissey: 100%
Blue Yellow Red: and everyhing else < 70%
Obi: lol
Obi: I would have thought Regice would be at like 80%
Blue Yellow Red: 1. Blissey* 100%
2. Regice 69%
(Giradina) 65%
(Lugia*/Ho-oh*) 64%
3. Snorlax 63%
(Kureseria) 60%
(Kyogre) 58%
(Aruseus*) 57%
4. Registeel 55%
5. Umbreon* 54%
6. Milotic* 52%
7. Shuckle 52%
(Regigigas) 51%
8. Lapras/Vaporeon 51%
9. Articuno* 51%
10. Suicune 50%
(Latias*) 50%
(Parukia) 49%
11.Dainoosu 49%
(Deoxys(LG)*) 48%
(Yukishii) 48%
12. Mantine 48%
13. Slowking* 48%
14. Wobbuffet 48%
15. Muk 47%
16. Tentacruel 47%
17. Hypno/Togekiss* 47%
18. Beruberuto 46%
19. Toridepusu 46%
20. Tyranitar/(Mew*/Celebi*/Jirachi/Diaruga/Manaphy/Sheimi) 46%
Obi: lol
Obi: This is for what EVs?
Obi: 4 HP 252 SDef Calm?
Obi: Or 252 both?
Blue Yellow Red: 252 both
Blue Yellow Red: with the state of defense being so much better
Blue Yellow Red: we are in for a special dominated generation
Obi: Does it go something like Regirock, Groudon, Forretress, Deoxys-L, Skarmory for that
Blue Yellow Red: no
Blue Yellow Red: skarmory is #20 out of non-ubers
Blue Yellow Red: lol
Blue Yellow Red: i was quite surprised
Obi: Those resistances are pretty nice, I guess
Obi: That means Deoxys-L is also down there
Obi: Since it's takes about the same from Rock attacks as Skarmory with a 252 / 252 Spread
Blue Yellow Red: tyranitar is higher
Blue Yellow Red: 1. Regirock 100%
2. Steelix 97%
(Giradina) 94%
4. Aggron 87%
5. Dosaidon 86%
(Groudon) 84%
6. Slaking 83%
(Aruseus/Kureseria) 83%
(Lugia) 82%
7. Registeel 80%
8. Relicanth 80%
9. Toridepusu 78%
10. Mojanbo 78%
11. Kabarudon* 77%
12. Cloyster 77%
(Diaruga) 75%
13. Shuckle 75%
(Regigigas) 74%
14. Forretress 74%
15. Suicune 73%
16. Golem***tagross 72%
17. Torkoal 72%
18. Donphan 72%
19. Tyranitar 71%
(Deoxys(LG)*) 70%
(Yukishii) 70%
20. Skarmory* 70%
Blue Yellow Red: yeah
Blue Yellow Red: its a fraction of a percentage point
Blue Yellow Red: above skarmory
Obi: Ah, forgot about Steelix and Aggron
Blue Yellow Red: kabarudon is at 77%
Blue Yellow Red: let's see whats good about it
Blue Yellow Red: its got sand stream
Blue Yellow Red: a mono ground typing
Blue Yellow Red: slack off!

Obviously none of this takes the Sandstorm Special Defense boost, various traits, or anything else like that into account, but yeah. His comment about Blissey having 252 HP and 252 Def also makes me wonder just how accurate that script was for optimizing defense, because 252 Def 252 SDef 4 HP gives higher overall defenses for Blissey.
9. ### MattMaybe monads might not matter

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This is an excellent resource, I've linked to it in the D/P information/resource sticky.
10. ### Luck

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This lend some credit to my Deoxy LG vs Cresselia argument.Which I will save for another day.

Interesting stuff .What stand for me is Tangrowth defensively and Snorlax on the special defensive side.If you can find two useful moves for Snorlax rest +sleep talk set you could have sort of a poor man cresselia.
11. ### Surgogoes to eleven

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Ah yes, this is awesome. I had one of these for Advance from Uiru, finally a DP one too. Thanks!

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good read.
13. ### Dragontamer

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What is most telling to me is that Skarmory, the "standard physical wall" of the game... at least in Advance before Roost was avaliable... now has many options, including Forretress who only has a 4x Fire Weakness.

Also, shuckle's abysmal performance is highlighted even more here. I mean for crying out loud, it isn't even the general wall in the game, Cresslia beats it in both categories.
14. ### General Tso

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All the more reason to use Registeel as my Specsmence counter :jump:
15. ### FirestormI did my best, I have no regrets!

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Well that isn't happening so far! =P
16. ### Dreadite

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There's some belief that the problem is Blissey: It's omnipresent, and an incredibly superior wall to the effectiveness of the physical walls.

There's also the fact that the cool, new sweepers and things are all physical, as well as one of the easiest competitive pokemon to obtain and train: Gyarados.

I think it's because Azelf looks lame. Physical dudes just LOOK badass, this is the most important thing in Pokemon!
17. ### Yashichi

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I wouldn't call 14th in terms of Defense and 8th in terms of Special Defense abysmal, especially because it's ahead of Skarmory and behind things like Aggron and Bastiodon. >_>

Edit: I realize Skarmory and other Pokemon have more/different resistances, moves, etc., but it makes no sense that this list should be evidence for it being terrible, based only on the defense stats. How well it actually works is another discussion entirely. Or not.
18. ### Surgogoes to eleven

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I would. You forget that Skarmory actually has resistances where Shuckle only has weaknesses; and that unlike Shuckle, Skarmory can actually do something.
19. ### Synre

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This is a pretty cool resource, thanks for putting the work into it.
20. ### Mizuno

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It made me smile when I saw Slaking #7 on the defense list. It's easy to forget its awesome 150 HP and 100 Def!
21. ### Omega

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Very nice research; great thread!
22. ### Dragontamer

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Hmm, it seems like I'll have to reformat the data later. The vast majority of pokemon take hits similarly... even though they may be separated by several dozen pokemon. For example, Arcanine vs Heracross is only a 10% difference in physical damage. Certainly notable... but with a difference in ranking of 45 pokemon, you may overestimate the difference.

On the other hand, a difference of 45 pokemon starting from Regirock down to Mew/Shaymin/Manaphy is a difference of some 50%. Thats how much choice-items boost someone's attack.

What I'm saying is... don't be fooled by the formatting. Just because pokemon are close together, don't assume they will be similar in combat. I mean, Chansey is #2 in Special Defense compared to Blissey, and I'm sure everyone knows how much that evolution helped Chansey.

I think formatting this on an exponential scale or some kind of tier list will tell things better than instead of just listing the rankings. With that said, think before you conclude something here.
23. ### Dragontamer

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I took my own advice and created the exponential tier list. The tier number is the floor(log_1.1(value)) . Essentially, every tier is a group of pokemon that are within 10% of each other's defense*hp value. So the Sweeper Tier for instance contains Infernape, Starmie, PorygonZ and Azelf. All are quite close to each other in defenses.

I chose a Pokemon that I recognized well to name each tier. That way, each tier can have a relative value in your mind.

Inside the tiers, the pokemon are listed in numerical order. It shouldn't make too much a difference. Differences between tiers aren't so great, and a pokemon at a lower tier or even two tiers lower can serve as a better wall. For example, Giratina vs Lugia. Lugia is clearly the better wall with a recovery move, while Giratina is two tiers higher.

The exponential scale of 10% was chosen pretty much at random. However, I did first split the pokemon into 6 tiers. But ****ing EVERYONE is in the sweeper tier. I mean seriously, EVERYONE is in a single tier. As you can see here, even with a 10% difference between tiers (again, not that much) the tier lists get a little big in the middle.

EDIT: Last thing. Again, these tiers were calculated on assuming 252 EVs and 31 IVs on all stats, as well as +natures on both SpDef and Def. So again, they are slightly unrealistic, but at least they are consistently unrealistic. I figure this inaccuracy shouldn't be a big problem however.

Defense Tiers lookup
Tier 128 Regirock Tier
Tier 127 Giratina tier
Tier 126 Cresselia Tier
Tier 125 Lugia tier
Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
Tier 123 Mew Tier
Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier
Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf
Tier 119 Lucario tier
Tier 118 Gengar tier
Tier 117 Butterfree tier
Tier 116 Alakazam tier
Tier 115 Dugtrio tier
Tier 114 Pidgey tier
Tier 113 Pikachu tier
Tier 112 Gastly tier
Tier 111 Ralt tier
Tier 110 Diglett tier
Tier 109 Pichu tier

Code:
```---Defense Tiers lists---
Tier 128 Regirock Tier
Regirock 199472 119392

Tier 127 Giratina tier
Steelix 193992 88854
Giratina 187488 187488

Tier 126 Cresselia Tier
Slaking 165312 126504
Aggron 173376 82560
Groudon 168064 123624
Rhyperior 170996 99386
Cresselia 165168 174936
Arceus 165168 165168

Tier 125 Lugia tier
Cloyster 153216 62928
Rhydon 154008 85698
Shuckle 149816 149816
Lugia 163904 185952
Relicanth 159176 101404
Registeel 159432 159432
Bastiodon 154872 133488
Hippowdon 154560 112140
Tangrowth 154732 88072
Dialga 150288 132512

Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
Golem 143416 91364
Slowbro 137900 111896
Umbreon 137900 155236
Wobbuffet 137824 137824
Forretress 147264 84960
Skarmory 138944 87508
Donphan 142848 92160
Suicune 145844 145844
Tyranitar 141400 132512
Torkoal 143104 90128
Metagross 143416 111384
Probopass 138348 141912
Uxie 139476 139476
Regigigas 148400 148400

Tier 123 Mew Tier
Sandslash 123900 81066
Onix 126040 56718
Weezing 124248 87508
Lapras 131776 147088
Omastar 131752 90128
Snorlax 131524 183400
Articuno 125952 147072
Mewtwo 127296 127296
Mew 132512 132512
Sudowoodo 124184 86344
Miltank 133566 103228
Entei 128030 118482
Ho 127296 185952
Celebi 132512 132512
Swampert 123624 123624
Lairon 134784 70632
Walrein 129744 129744
Kyogre 123624 168064
Rayquaza 126684 126684
Jirachi 132512 132512
Torterra 133566 116230
Garchomp 133140 123900
Magnezone 124184 105264
Lickilicky 134408 134408
Leafeon 131596 83834
Gliscor 135582 96642
Mesprit 123396 123396
Palkia 125952 142848
Heatran 132012 132012
Manaphy 132512 132512
Shaymin 132512 132512

Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
Blastoise 118736 122718
Nidoqueen 115200 113280
Poliwrath 121728 117504
Graveler 113354 64998
Muk 113022 135792
Kingler 113354 68452
Exeggutor 116230 98894
Marowak 113400 92016
Rhyhorn 115388 63336
Tangela 120574 65464
Kangaskhan 117576 117576
Tauros 112218 92748
Zapdos 113280 117504
Moltres 117504 113280
Dragonite 122362 126608
Meganium 119392 119392
Feraligatr 122672 108834
Azumarill 114736 114736
Quagsire 116230 98894
Gligar 113226 83834
Scizor 112832 97696
Magcargo 113088 86336
Piloswine 114736 96960
Kingdra 112218 112218
Porygon2 114444 118558
Hariyama 118080 118080
Swalot 117564 117564
Wailord 112608 112608
Whiscash 114056 112360
Cradily 121072 129344
Armaldo 116112 100536
Tropius 116982 120600
Regice 119392 199472
Empoleon 112344 123132
Vespiquen 114552 114552
Bronzong 123032 123032
Drapion 120400 93912
Togekiss 118558 135014
Glaceon 116900 105878
Mamoswine 120416 101760
Dusknoir 119070 119070

Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier
Venusaur 105924 119392
Clefable 105986 120564
Vileplume 104430 108324
Arcanine 109056 109056
Machamp 109056 113280
Dewgong 109056 121728
Lickitung 104832 104832
Pinsir 109552 87508
Gyarados 111108 129232
Vaporeon 111360 147088
Kabutops 109836 84888
Crobat 106216 106216
Lanturn 107144 125304
Ampharos 104832 117504
Bellossom 104430 116112
Politoed 104832 125952
Slowking 111896 137900
Dunsparce 105848 101404
Granbull 104832 92160
Ursaring 104832 104832
Raikou 104832 125952
Pelipper 106272 84888
Vigoroth 103376 83356
Nosepass 106920 80784
Flygon 103376 103376
Altaria 108324 120006
Claydol 109836 120528
Milotic 111108 150902
Dusclops 111896 111896
Glalie 103376 103376
Huntail 106446 85722
Gorebyss 106446 85722
Shelgon 109552 72812
Salamence 111896 111896
Metang 106272 92016
Latias 111384 143416
Latios 103376 127400
Grotle 104430 88854
Luxray 102648 102648
Gastrodon 109908 123114
Drifblim 103320 114408
Skuntank 104960 99630
Spiritomb 105184 105184
Abomasnow 104832 113280
Yanmega 112048 87232
Phione 103376 103376
Darkrai 105264 105264

Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf
Charizard 100800 106200
Pidgeot 101010 96940
Nidoking 101748 99918
Ninetales 95550 114800
Wigglytuff 100188 105512
Golbat 92748 96642
Golduck 101920 103376
Machoke 95368 87360
Geodude 93152 49416
Slowpoke 96384 75264
Magneton 96368 79648
Hypno 97988 135014
Cubone 96368 66272
Seadra 99538 64998
Starmie 95580 95580
Mr. Mime 71284 105648
Scyther 97696 97696
Typhlosion 100800 106200
Croconaw 94856 82498
Furret 93126 85646
Jumpluff 92748 104430
Pineco 93024 56240
Heracross 99372 115388
Octillery 96642 96642
Hitmontop 96368 106400
Blissey 92820 289170
Blaziken 95368 95368
Ludicolo 95368 119392
Exploud 101764 101764
Aron 99712 59584
Solrock 101480 86344
Crawdaunt 97350 75570
Lileep 93408 100800
Sealeo 100608 100608
Infernape 94340 94340
Staraptor 97988 81532
Rampardos 95520 86764
Shieldon 97152 79728
Wormadam 95580 109836
Lopunny 97862 106880
Bronzor 94764 94764
Bonsly 96368 62928
Munchlax 92904 139830
Hippopotas 95200 68340
Toxicroak 92870 92870
Carnivine 93984 93984
Lumineon 94392 101916
Porygon-Z 97988 102102
Azelf 92748 92748

Tier 119 Lucario tier
Wartortle 91448 91448
Sandshrew 89680 52896
Nidorina 88064 78776
Gloom 84888 88452
Parasect 92016 92016
Victreebel 91364 87360
Tentacruel 91364 135408
Rapidash 87508 94856
Dodrio 84888 77760
Shellder 86592 43032
Electrode 84888 92016
Exeggcute 92016 67068
Hitmonchan 85728 106400
Koffing 90028 58788
Seaking 91364 103376
Porygon 87508 91182
Omanyte 89872 62746
Aerodactyl 91364 99372
Bayleef 92016 92016
Noctowl 88072 129280
Ariados 90128 82560
Togetic 92630 106446
Xatu 87508 87508
Girafarig 86344 86344
Qwilfish 91182 76486
Corsola 92630 92630
Mantine 87508 138944
Phanpy 92160 75264
Stantler 85750 87850
Pupitar 90128 90128
Sceptile 86344 101480
Marshtomp 90128 90128
Mightyena 90128 82560
Linoone 87480 87480
Dustox 84888 99144
Shiftry 92160 92160
Gardevoir 85340 122740
Breloom 92016 77760
Delcatty 86344 78776
Mawile 89680 69616
Medicham 88452 88452
Wailmer 85840 85840
Camerupt 90128 93912
Grumpig 91364 127400
Lunatone 86344 101480
Castform 90128 90128
Kecleon 84888 120528
Chimecho 87508 94856
Wynaut 84316 84316
Prinplup 85656 91632
Bibarel 86880 86880
Pachirisu 84888 99144
Floatzel 85646 81532
Cherrim 90128 96320
Ambipom 89916 89916
Honchkrow 90092 90092
Purugly 86154 82348
Gabite 85340 77860
Lucario 90128 90128
Skorupi 86904 65036
Weavile 86344 101480
Electivire 90624 104430
Magmortar 90624 112218
Gallade 85340 122740
Froslass 90128 90128
Rotom 84512 84512

Tier 118 Gengar tier
Ivysaur 80028 92016
Fearow 83834 81162
Arbok 84240 91368
Venomoth 82560 93912
Persian 80160 83834
Primeape 80160 87508
Poliwhirl 83834 72812
Grimer 79352 79352
Gengar 77760 88452
Krabby 80784 43032
Chansey 83776 238656
Electabuzz 78156 98530
Magmar 78156 98530
Jolteon 80160 105878
Flareon 80160 116900
Kabuto 80784 54648
Dragonair 81826 85412
Flaaffy 78776 82560
Sunflora 81066 104430
Espeon 80160 105878
Misdreavus 77760 95580
Houndoom 77172 100536
Combusken 77760 77760
Swellow 77760 70632
Masquerain 84280 99416
Shroomish 77760 77760
Slakoth 77760 59940
Nincada 81396 46284
Sableye 82992 76304
Manectric 82560 82560
Gulpin 77400 77400
Spinda 77760 77760
Cacturne 82560 82560
Zangoose 84000 84000
Seviper 84000 84000
Banette 83332 82004
Absol 80160 80160
Clamperl 80830 62746
Beldum 80656 68160
Turtwig 78186 71906
Kricketune 79118 79118
Mismagius 77760 109836

Tier 117 Butterfree tier
Charmeleon 75520 80320
Squirtle 73292 72708
Butterfree 70632 92016
Pidgeotto 75570 71940
Raticate 75360 82268
Raichu 74196 92016
Nidoran 70022 61544
Nidorino 76284 74654
Clefairy 73616 86344
Venonat 70632 74196
Machop 74992 63640
Weepinbell 72812 69138
Farfetch 70532 75460
Seel 76486 87508
Goldeen 70560 64092
Chikorita 73794 73794
Quilava 75520 80320
Totodile 75696 65056
Marill 74992 74992
Aipom 71906 71906
Snubbull 70632 63504
Sneasel 71906 85722
Teddiursa 70632 70632
Beautifly 70632 70632
Lombre 70632 84888
Loudred 75516 75516
Minun 70632 95580
Volbeat 76486 91182
Illumise 76486 91182
Swablu 70560 80262
Corphish 72790 53650
Duskull 74664 74664
Spheal 74992 74992
Bagon 70560 51156
Monferno 74036 74036
Piplup 69750 71920
Luxio 69984 69984
Roserade 74196 109836
Mothim 74992 74992
Shellos 76184 87220
Drifloon 70272 78720
Stunky 69960 65670
Chatot 73692 71556
Finneon 70064 73386
Snover 70632 77760

Tier 116 Alakazam tier
Bulbasaur 63504 73794
Metapod 69616 49552
Kakuna 64092 47922
Beedrill 65464 94856
Jigglypuff 65968 70742
Oddish 67326 73794
Psyduck 65056 66272
Growlithe 64998 68452
Alakazam 64998 92630
Ponyta 69616 76304
Magnemite 66548 58166
Drowzee 67068 99144
Hitmonlee 68400 106400
Horsea 69168 43032
Ditto 64200 64200
Eevee 68452 78814
Ledian 68452 109900
Chinchou 67968 82128
Togepi 68774 68774
Skiploom 68452 78814
Yanma 69138 69138
Wooper 64998 51182
Murkrow 65124 65124
Unown 64200 64200
Larvitar 66272 66272
Mudkip 66272 66272
Silcoon 69616 49552
Cascoon 69616 49552
Nuzleaf 67424 67424
Ninjask 67482 71068
Plusle 63504 88452
Sharpedo 67424 67424
Numel 63504 67068
Vibrava 66272 66272
Baltoy 65036 74408
Anorith 64092 64092
Snorunt 66272 66272
Luvdisc 66410 72790
Deoxys 66272 66272
Staravia 68452 61544
Cranidos 66248 58812
Buneary 64370 72848
Chingling 64092 64092
Gible 66240 66240
Mantyke 64092 109368

Tier 115 Dugtrio tier
Nidoran 58016 58016
Paras 62746 62746
Dugtrio 59732 71788
Haunter 60858 67326
Voltorb 61912 65036
Staryu 60456 60456
Jynx 61790 105878
Dratini 59202 62348
Natu 58788 58788
Mareep 61544 64998
Swinub 59584 52896
Delibird 60858 60858
Smeargle 58090 64998
Grovyle 62928 76304
Torchic 57624 64092
Seedot 61912 49416
Makuhita 60552 60552
Azurill 59584 59584
Skitty 62928 56240
Meditite 60456 60456
Roselia 62928 86336
Spoink 59940 92016
Trapinch 60858 60858
Cacnea 59584 59584
Barboach 61712 60496
Chimchar 59860 59860
Bidoof 63112 63112
Burmy 58788 58788
Buizel 58090 54636
Cherubi 60858 66150
Glameow 60702 57380
Croagunk 58800 58800

Tier 114 Pidgey tier
Charmander 57246 61476
Caterpie 54390 44688
Pidgey 55664 52540
Ekans 56170 62198
Vulpix 54880 70280
Zubat 52540 55664
Meowth 52540 55664
Mankey 52540 58788
Poliwag 55664 55664
Bellsprout 56240 52896
Tentacool 52540 93152
Doduo 56718 50690
Magikarp 55876 37088
Cyndaquil 57246 61476
Hoothoot 56376 75168
Spinarak 55664 55664
Igglybuff 54144 58368
Hoppip 53704 62746
Slugma 55664 55664
Elekid 55860 67326
Magby 55860 67326
Treecko 52540 65036
Zigzagoon 55720 55720
Wurmple 54390 51156
Whismur 52788 52788
Electrike 55664 55664
Shuppet 54020 52852
Kricketot 55322 55322
Shinx 53802 53802
Budew 52540 74408
Combee 53064 53064
Riolu 55664 55664

Tier 113 Pikachu tier
Weedle 49416 43168
Rattata 48840 48840
Spearow 49416 50268
Pikachu 47676 53704
Kadabra 49416 74408
Sentret 50142 56718
Ledyba 49416 80656
Cleffa 51680 69616
Remoraid 50690 50690
Houndour 51156 64092
Tyrogue 50690 50690
Poochyena 50690 47676
Lotad 49416 61912
Taillow 49416 49416
Wingull 49416 49416
Kirlia 51800 64120
Surskit 50836 63332
Starly 49416 49416
Mime 50508 74664
Happiny 48076 101404

Tier 112 Gastly tier
Gastly 45936 48840
Sunkern 45936 45936
Carvanha 44688 44688

Tier 111 Ralt tier
Smoochum 41454 73794
Ralts 42380 48100
Shedinja 42642 35844

Tier 110 Diglett tier
Diglett 36512 46368
Abra 35814 58166
Feebas 37088 55876

Tier 109 Pichu tier
Pichu 34404 45140
```
And now the Special Defense Tiers

Special Defense Tiers lookup

Tier 131 Blissey Tier
Tier 130 OMFG Blissey beats the rest so much that this tier is empty tier
Tier 129 Chansey tier
Tier 128 Regice tier
Tier 127 Lugia tier
Tier 126 Cresselia tier
Tier 125 Shuckle tier
Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
Tier 123 Mew tier
Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
Tier 121 Spiritomb tier
Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie Infernape PorygonZ Azelf
Tier 119 Alakazam tier
Tier 118 Staraptor tier
Tier 117 Ninjask Tier
Tier 116 Smeargle tier
Tier 115 Delibird tier
Tier 114 Pikachu tier
Tier 113 Metapod tier
Tier 112 Diglett tier
Tier 111 Weedle tier
Tier 110 Magikarp tier

Code:
```---Special Defense Tiers lists---

Tier 131 Blissey Tier
Blissey 92820 289170

Tier 130 OMFG Blissey beats the rest so much that this tier is empty tier

Tier 129 Chansey tier
Chansey 83776 238656

Tier 128 Regice tier
Regice 119392 199472

Tier 127 Lugia tier
Snorlax 131524 183400
Lugia 163904 185952
Ho 127296 185952
Giratina 187488 187488

Tier 126 Cresselia tier
Kyogre 123624 168064
Cresselia 165168 174936
Arceus 165168 165168

Tier 125 Shuckle tier
Umbreon 137900 155236
Shuckle 149816 149816
Milotic 111108 150902
Registeel 159432 159432

Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
Muk 113022 135792
Lapras 131776 147088
Vaporeon 111360 147088
Articuno 125952 147072
Slowking 111896 137900
Wobbuffet 137824 137824
Mantine 87508 138944
Suicune 145844 145844
Latias 111384 143416
Munchlax 92904 139830
Probopass 138348 141912
Uxie 139476 139476
Palkia 125952 142848
Regigigas 148400 148400

Tier 123 Mew tier
Tentacruel 91364 135408
Hypno 97988 135014
Gyarados 111108 129232
Dragonite 122362 126608
Mewtwo 127296 127296
Mew 132512 132512
Noctowl 88072 129280
Lanturn 107144 125304
Politoed 104832 125952
Raikou 104832 125952
Tyranitar 141400 132512
Celebi 132512 132512
Swampert 123624 123624
Slaking 165312 126504
Grumpig 91364 127400
Cradily 121072 129344
Walrein 129744 129744
Latios 103376 127400
Groudon 168064 123624
Rayquaza 126684 126684
Jirachi 132512 132512
Bastiodon 154872 133488
Garchomp 133140 123900
Lickilicky 134408 134408
Togekiss 118558 135014
Mesprit 123396 123396
Dialga 150288 132512
Heatran 132012 132012
Manaphy 132512 132512
Shaymin 132512 132512

Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
Venusaur 105924 119392
Blastoise 118736 122718
Nidoqueen 115200 113280
Clefable 105986 120564
Ninetales 95550 114800
Poliwrath 121728 117504
Machamp 109056 113280
Dewgong 109056 121728
Kangaskhan 117576 117576
Flareon 80160 116900
Zapdos 113280 117504
Moltres 117504 113280
Meganium 119392 119392
Ampharos 104832 117504
Bellossom 104430 116112
Azumarill 114736 114736
Heracross 99372 115388
Kingdra 112218 112218
Porygon2 114444 118558
Entei 128030 118482
Ludicolo 95368 119392
Gardevoir 85340 122740
Hariyama 118080 118080
Swalot 117564 117564
Wailord 112608 112608
Altaria 108324 120006
Whiscash 114056 112360
Claydol 109836 120528
Kecleon 84888 120528
Tropius 116982 120600
Regirock 199472 119392
Torterra 133566 116230
Empoleon 112344 123132
Vespiquen 114552 114552
Gastrodon 109908 123114
Drifblim 103320 114408
Bronzong 123032 123032
Abomasnow 104832 113280
Magmortar 90624 112218
Gallade 85340 122740
Dusknoir 119070 119070

Tier 121 Spiritomb tier
Charizard 100800 106200
Wigglytuff 100188 105512
Vileplume 104430 108324
Golduck 101920 103376
Arcanine 109056 109056
Slowbro 137900 111896
Hitmonlee 68400 106400
Hitmonchan 85728 106400
Lickitung 104832 104832
Seaking 91364 103376
Jynx 61790 105878
Jolteon 80160 105878
Typhlosion 100800 106200
Feraligatr 122672 108834
Ledian 68452 109900
Crobat 106216 106216
Togetic 92630 106446
Jumpluff 92748 104430
Sunflora 81066 104430
Espeon 80160 105878
Ursaring 104832 104832
Hitmontop 96368 106400
Miltank 133566 103228
Flygon 103376 103376
Dusclops 111896 111896
Glalie 103376 103376
Salamence 111896 111896
Metagross 143416 111384
Luxray 102648 102648
Roserade 74196 109836
Wormadam 95580 109836
Lopunny 97862 106880
Mismagius 77760 109836
Spiritomb 105184 105184
Hippowdon 154560 112140
Mantyke 64092 109368
Magnezone 124184 105264
Electivire 90624 104430
Glaceon 116900 105878
Porygon-Z 97988 102102
Phione 103376 103376
Darkrai 105264 105264

Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie Infernape PorygonZ Azelf
Beedrill 65464 94856
Pidgeot 101010 96940
Nidoking 101748 99918
Golbat 92748 96642
Venomoth 82560 93912
Tentacool 52540 93152
Rapidash 87508 94856
Drowzee 67068 99144
Exeggutor 116230 98894
Starmie 95580 95580
Mr. Mime 71284 105648
Scyther 97696 97696
Electabuzz 78156 98530
Magmar 78156 98530
Tauros 112218 92748
Aerodactyl 91364 99372
Quagsire 116230 98894
Misdreavus 77760 95580
Dunsparce 105848 101404
Scizor 112832 97696
Piloswine 114736 96960
Octillery 96642 96642
Houndoom 77172 100536
Sceptile 86344 101480
Blaziken 95368 95368
Dustox 84888 99144
Masquerain 84280 99416
Exploud 101764 101764
Minun 70632 95580
Camerupt 90128 93912
Lunatone 86344 101480
Lileep 93408 100800
Armaldo 116112 100536
Chimecho 87508 94856
Sealeo 100608 100608
Relicanth 159176 101404
Infernape 94340 94340
Pachirisu 84888 99144
Cherrim 90128 96320
Skuntank 104960 99630
Bronzor 94764 94764
Happiny 48076 101404
Drapion 120400 93912
Toxicroak 92870 92870
Carnivine 93984 93984
Lumineon 94392 101916
Weavile 86344 101480
Rhyperior 170996 99386
Gliscor 135582 96642
Mamoswine 120416 101760
Azelf 92748 92748

Tier 119 Alakazam tier
Ivysaur 80028 92016
Wartortle 91448 91448
Butterfree 70632 92016
Arbok 84240 91368
Raichu 74196 92016
Clefairy 73616 86344
Gloom 84888 88452
Parasect 92016 92016
Primeape 80160 87508
Alakazam 64998 92630
Machoke 95368 87360
Victreebel 91364 87360
Golem 143416 91364
Seel 76486 87508
Gengar 77760 88452
Electrode 84888 92016
Marowak 113400 92016
Weezing 124248 87508
Rhydon 154008 85698
Pinsir 109552 87508
Porygon 87508 91182
Omastar 131752 90128
Kabutops 109836 84888
Dragonair 81826 85412
Bayleef 92016 92016
Furret 93126 85646
Xatu 87508 87508
Sudowoodo 124184 86344
Girafarig 86344 86344
Forretress 147264 84960
Steelix 193992 88854
Granbull 104832 92160
Sneasel 71906 85722
Magcargo 113088 86336
Corsola 92630 92630
Skarmory 138944 87508
Donphan 142848 92160
Stantler 85750 87850
Pupitar 90128 90128
Marshtomp 90128 90128
Linoone 87480 87480
Lombre 70632 84888
Shiftry 92160 92160
Pelipper 106272 84888
Medicham 88452 88452
Plusle 63504 88452
Volbeat 76486 91182
Illumise 76486 91182
Roselia 62928 86336
Wailmer 85840 85840
Torkoal 143104 90128
Spoink 59940 92016
Solrock 101480 86344
Castform 90128 90128
Wynaut 84316 84316
Huntail 106446 85722
Gorebyss 106446 85722
Metang 106272 92016
Grotle 104430 88854
Prinplup 85656 91632
Bibarel 86880 86880
Rampardos 95520 86764
Shellos 76184 87220
Ambipom 89916 89916
Honchkrow 90092 90092
Lucario 90128 90128
Tangrowth 154732 88072
Yanmega 112048 87232
Froslass 90128 90128
Rotom 84512 84512

Tier 118 Staraptor tier
Charmeleon 75520 80320
Raticate 75360 82268
Fearow 83834 81162
Sandslash 123900 81066
Nidorina 88064 78776
Persian 80160 83834
Magneton 96368 79648
Dodrio 84888 77760
Grimer 79352 79352
Eevee 68452 78814
Quilava 75520 80320
Croconaw 94856 82498
Ledyba 49416 80656
Ariados 90128 82560
Chinchou 67968 82128
Flaaffy 78776 82560
Skiploom 68452 78814
Gligar 113226 83834
Combusken 77760 77760
Mightyena 90128 82560
Shroomish 77760 77760
Breloom 92016 77760
Vigoroth 103376 83356
Nosepass 106920 80784
Delcatty 86344 78776
Aggron 173376 82560
Manectric 82560 82560
Gulpin 77400 77400
Spinda 77760 77760
Cacturne 82560 82560
Swablu 70560 80262
Zangoose 84000 84000
Seviper 84000 84000
Banette 83332 82004
Absol 80160 80160
Staraptor 97988 81532
Kricketune 79118 79118
Shieldon 97152 79728
Floatzel 85646 81532
Drifloon 70272 78720
Purugly 86154 82348
Gabite 85340 77860
Snover 70632 77760
Leafeon 131596 83834

Tier 117 Ninjask Tier
Bulbasaur 63504 73794
Squirtle 73292 72708
Pidgeotto 75570 71940
Nidorino 76284 74654
Vulpix 54880 70280
Jigglypuff 65968 70742
Oddish 67326 73794
Venonat 70632 74196
Dugtrio 59732 71788
Poliwhirl 83834 72812
Kadabra 49416 74408
Ponyta 69616 76304
Slowpoke 96384 75264
Farfetch 70532 75460
Chikorita 73794 73794
Hoothoot 56376 75168
Marill 74992 74992
Aipom 71906 71906
Qwilfish 91182 76486
Teddiursa 70632 70632
Phanpy 92160 75264
Smoochum 41454 73794
Grovyle 62928 76304
Beautifly 70632 70632
Swellow 77760 70632
Ninjask 67482 71068
Loudred 75516 75516
Sableye 82992 76304
Lairon 134784 70632
Crawdaunt 97350 75570
Baltoy 65036 74408
Duskull 74664 74664
Spheal 74992 74992
Luvdisc 66410 72790
Shelgon 109552 72812
Turtwig 78186 71906
Monferno 74036 74036
Piplup 69750 71920
Luxio 69984 69984
Budew 52540 74408
Mothim 74992 74992
Buneary 64370 72848
Mime 50508 74664
Chatot 73692 71556
Finneon 70064 73386

Tier 116 Smeargle tier
Psyduck 65056 66272
Growlithe 64998 68452
Machop 74992 63640
Weepinbell 72812 69138
Graveler 113354 64998
Haunter 60858 67326
Kingler 113354 68452
Voltorb 61912 65036
Exeggcute 92016 67068
Cubone 96368 66272
Rhyhorn 115388 63336
Tangela 120574 65464
Seadra 99538 64998
Goldeen 70560 64092
Ditto 64200 64200
Totodile 75696 65056
Cleffa 51680 69616
Togepi 68774 68774
Mareep 61544 64998
Yanma 69138 69138
Murkrow 65124 65124
Unown 64200 64200
Snubbull 70632 63504
Houndour 51156 64092
Smeargle 58090 64998
Elekid 55860 67326
Magby 55860 67326
Larvitar 66272 66272
Treecko 52540 65036
Torchic 57624 64092
Mudkip 66272 66272
Nuzleaf 67424 67424
Kirlia 51800 64120
Surskit 50836 63332
Mawile 89680 69616
Sharpedo 67424 67424
Numel 63504 67068
Vibrava 66272 66272
Anorith 64092 64092
Snorunt 66272 66272
Beldum 80656 68160
Deoxys 66272 66272
Cherubi 60858 66150
Chingling 64092 64092
Stunky 69960 65670
Gible 66240 66240
Hippopotas 95200 68340
Skorupi 86904 65036

Tier 115 Delibird tier
Charmander 57246 61476
Ekans 56170 62198
Nidoran 70022 61544
Nidoran 58016 58016
Paras 62746 62746
Mankey 52540 58788
Abra 35814 58166
Magnemite 66548 58166
Cloyster 153216 62928
Koffing 90028 58788
Staryu 60456 60456
Omanyte 89872 62746
Dratini 59202 62348
Cyndaquil 57246 61476
Igglybuff 54144 58368
Natu 58788 58788
Hoppip 53704 62746
Delibird 60858 60858
Lotad 49416 61912
Slakoth 77760 59940
Makuhita 60552 60552
Azurill 59584 59584
Aron 99712 59584
Meditite 60456 60456
Trapinch 60858 60858
Cacnea 59584 59584
Barboach 61712 60496
Clamperl 80830 62746
Chimchar 59860 59860
Staravia 68452 61544
Bidoof 63112 63112
Cranidos 66248 58812
Burmy 58788 58788
Bonsly 96368 62928
Croagunk 58800 58800

Tier 114 Pikachu tier
Pidgey 55664 52540
Pikachu 47676 53704
Sandshrew 89680 52896
Zubat 52540 55664
Meowth 52540 55664
Poliwag 55664 55664
Bellsprout 56240 52896
Onix 126040 56718
Kabuto 80784 54648
Sentret 50142 56718
Spinarak 55664 55664
Pineco 93024 56240
Slugma 55664 55664
Swinub 59584 52896
Zigzagoon 55720 55720
Whismur 52788 52788
Skitty 62928 56240
Electrike 55664 55664
Corphish 72790 53650
Feebas 37088 55876
Shuppet 54020 52852
Kricketot 55322 55322
Shinx 53802 53802
Combee 53064 53064
Buizel 58090 54636
Glameow 60702 57380
Riolu 55664 55664

Tier 113 Metapod tier
Metapod 69616 49552
Kakuna 64092 47922
Rattata 48840 48840
Spearow 49416 50268
Geodude 93152 49416
Doduo 56718 50690
Gastly 45936 48840
Wooper 64998 51182
Remoraid 50690 50690
Tyrogue 50690 50690
Poochyena 50690 47676
Wurmple 54390 51156
Silcoon 69616 49552
Cascoon 69616 49552
Seedot 61912 49416
Taillow 49416 49416
Wingull 49416 49416
Ralts 42380 48100
Bagon 70560 51156
Starly 49416 49416

Tier 112 Diglett tier
Caterpie 54390 44688
Diglett 36512 46368
Pichu 34404 45140
Sunkern 45936 45936
Nincada 81396 46284
Carvanha 44688 44688

Tier 111 Weedle tier
Weedle 49416 43168
Shellder 86592 43032
Krabby 80784 43032
Horsea 69168 43032

Tier 110 Magikarp tier
Magikarp 55876 37088
Shedinja 42642 35844```
Finally, the cool thing about these tiers is that Sandstorm and Intimidate, as well as various stat up/downs can be easily calculated.

A 50% change is 4.25 tiers. (Bulk Up, Cosmic Power, Intimidate and Sandstorm)
A 100% change is 7.3 tiers (Amnesia, Barrier)
A 150% change is 9.6 tiers
A 200% change is 11.5 tiers (Not Very effective and Super Effective)
250% is 13.14 tiers
300% change is 14.54 tiers (Max Amnesia)
400% change is 16.8 tiers (4x NVE or 4x Super Effective)
a n% change is log_1.1(n/100 + 1) tiers

That said, if two things effect each other independantly, add their changes, don't multiply. These tiers are on an exponential scale. For example, If you have Intimidate and then use Barrier, change 4.25 + 7.3 tiers == 11.55 tiers

Similarly, you can go down tiers. Normal Super Effective cuts you down 11.5 tiers, while 4x effective cuts you down almost 17 tiers.
24. ### GRAAAGH

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So if i'm understanding this right, then this is just of a show of the top 100 pokemon's (of each defense type) defensive potential? with the tiers lists showing pokemon that can wall on roughly the same level grouped together? if so, then that is awesome and thanks a bunch
25. ### Luck

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Where are Deoxys?Namely LG? Edit(I see it by beldum?)

Also the top defensives types Steel,Rock have weakness to ground,fighting also with their assorted other weakness.The one main poke that avoids that curse skarmory is probably the best defense poke .