I know most vegans are vegans simply due to the fact of the poor conditions due to the food industry and how horrible the animals are treated. Upon asking my friend whether or not he would eat eggs of chickens they raised themselves they said absolutely, because he knew his chickens were (probably) treated well.*something irrelevant about cavemen
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I have a serious question for vegans though, why do you not eat eggs? Chickens naturally lay unfertilized eggs almost every day. It doesn't really harm the chicken in any way, they are fine with it, and the egg was never alive in the first place so its not like you are killing anything. I am not trying to be offensive, it just seems odd perhaps I am missing out on some part of your argument, idk, I don't know a lot a vegans.
I eat eggs from the chicken across the road. (Well I did but it got run over by a car then used as a football by some kids. Inner city Manchester equivalent of being eaten by a fox.) I don't eat chicken eggs from supermarkets because of the conditions that farmed chickens are kept in in this country. Even a "free-range chicken" only needs two square meters of space to be defined as such, and even that for only a certain number of hours per day.*something irrelevant about cavemen
oh yeah B-)
I have a serious question for vegans though, why do you not eat eggs? Chickens naturally lay unfertilized eggs almost every day. It doesn't really harm the chicken in any way, they are fine with it, and the egg was never alive in the first place so its not like you are killing anything. I am not trying to be offensive, it just seems odd perhaps I am missing out on some part of your argument, idk, I don't know a lot a vegans.
So your problem isn't that people are fighting a stigma, but that they're not being "nice enough" about it? In an offhanded snarky bingo card advertisement? Okay.Yeah I definitely think that that bingo board is taking things too far. There are some legitimate points on that square that, quite frankly, aren't even all that defensive. I don't know what it is with people and turning admirable accomplishments into springboards of criticism and judgment. Fighting stigma with negativity won't remove the stigma.
A truly lucid and succinct summation of the issues at hand.2011 VonFiedler said:Human being are omnivores, like bears. That's science son. We don't have a group of people running around claiming morale high-ground for not eating vegetables, and that's not because vegetables are any less alive than animals; it's because that would be retarded. When you think about it like that, you really shouldn't be so perplexed why so many people don't even consider vegetarianism.
Clearly I've been making fun of you for having already backed away from the fight. When you want to respond like Myzozoa has and not just act like a self-obsessed dickhead then I will respond back.edit: very impressive, vonFiedler. You have picked a fight and backed away from it all in the exact same post. Similar to the traditional hunting practice of shooting at a deer and then missing and then going back home and then eating canned soup.
Odd. It's never seemed to work for me...your body /can/ eat meat, therefore you are an omnivore
Heh yeah, I can attest to that. Another side benefit is becoming far more aware of your diet. When you are constantly scouring through lists of ingredients trying to figure out whether X contains Y animal product or not, you tend to pick up a stronger sense of your true calorie/vitamin/mineral intakes.I will say one more thing: forcing yourself to be vegetarian (while not eating out all the time obviously) make you a much, much better cook.
My close friends on irc know I gave up cow products (not cause indian lol, more horrified at what cattle grazing is doing to world / slaughterhouses), but over the summer I also gave up all poultry / pig products / fish for a month...and learned to appreciate many ingredients I would never have tried before.
So even if you're adamantly against vegetarianism, I'd recommend forcing yourself to try it for a small time period just to make yourself a better cook in general (appreciating more vegetables, spices, herbs, etc.).
I'm intrigued - I've listed a lot of reasons why I believe a meat-free diet is better so it'd be cool if you could explain why I'm completely wrong rather than just stating the opposite as fact with nothing but hearsay and uncited google searches as evidence.I've said before it's not a naturalistic fallacy because it is still best to eat a small amount of meat. Not as much as most people eat. But an amount. This is according to my doctor, my nutritionalist, my personal trainer, and various wide google searches I have attempted on the matter. I wish I could find a "scientific consensus" but from my research it seems like you'd have to have a pretty hefty case of confirmation bias to believe that meat isn't as good for you as vegetarianism is.
iirc you never listed any reasons why a "meat-free" diet is better. Unless I missed something.I'm intrigued - I've listed a lot of reasons why I believe a meat-free diet is better so it'd be cool if you could explain why I'm completely wrong rather than just stating the opposite as fact with nothing but hearsay and uncited google searches as evidence.