Megas For All: V4! (Voting - Lickilicky, Togekiss, Dusknoir)

[Reiga]

Pika Xtreme

 

[AWILDBIBAREL]

Pika Xreme

 

[Swagodile]

Pika Xreme

 

[Valmanway]

And Pika Xreme's Arbok wins by a landslide! The next slate will be posted in a few days, so it's time to discuss.

 

[Nalei]

How about a...

Patriotic Theme

...to celebrate America's Independence Day!
Braviary is an obvious choice, but we need 2 other American pokemon too... Since America is the fattest country in the world (excluding several islands), how about something fat? Snorlax! The US is also the most powerful country in the world, so how about the most powerful pokemon? According to the OU viability rankings, the best pokemon in the tier are Clefable, Keldeo and Tornadus-T. Since 2 are legendary, how about Clefable? What do you guys think?​

 

[Pika Xreme]

Hoo-ray for Scrappy clones! Anyway, Arbok should be able to set up on Ferrothorn if it gets in safely. Given that Arbok will definitely outspeed...

calcs

0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (145 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Arbok: 135-159 (41.6 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+1 0 Atk Arbok Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 338-398 (96 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

All that without any attack investment. With some attack investment...

+1 56 Atk Arbok Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 354-416 (100.5 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Against Klefki...

calcs

+1 56 Atk Arbok Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Klefki through Reflect: 282-333 (88.6 - 104.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

+1 56 Atk Arbok Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Klefki: 564-666 (177.3 - 209.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+1 0- Atk Klefki Foul Play vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Arbok: 125-148 (38.5 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

 

[Swagodile]

How about a...

Patriotic Theme

...to celebrate America's Independence Day!
Braviary is an obvious choice, but we need 2 other American pokemon too... Since America is the fattest country in the world (excluding several islands), how about something fat? Snorlax! The US is also the most powerful country in the world, so how about the most powerful pokemon? According to the OU viability rankings, the best pokemon in the tier are Clefable, Keldeo and Tornadus-T. Since 2 are legendary, how about Clefable? What do you guys think?​

America isn't the fattest country in the world, Mexico is.

 

[Miyami~~]

Congrats Pika Xreme.

Don't celebrate 4th of July cause I'm not american but I'd be down for Snorlax/Braviary/Clefable.

 

[Ludicrousity]

Crap, I was too late... i was going to do Braviary (Obviously), Sandslash (Because it's pre evolution is number 27 in the pokedex. The printed version of the Declaration was called the Dunlap Broadside; 200 were made but only 27 are accounted for, hence sandslash) and Togekiss to fit with the red white and blue theme. but eh, you can't win them all.

 

[Hourai]

For the slate I would recommend Braviary (because obvious reaons), Dugtrio (its prevo is #50 and there are 50 states), and Bouffalant (because buffalos/bison are associated with the Native Americans of the midwest)

 

[Pika Xreme]

Braviary and Togekiss for definitely. Maybe Miltank, because burgers.

 

[WTCO]

Beheeyem could also be a choice what with it being based on the "Greys" (or rather their predecessor, Little Green Men) and with the second Independence Day film in theaters.

 

[Nalei]

America isn't the fattest country in the world, Mexico is.

My bad, I guess the study I was using for reference was an old one lol. Togekiss seems like a nice option too.

 

[Valmanway]

Independence Day

Limitations:​

Braviary and Snorlax have an ability limitation of 4 and get one new move, while Vanilluxe gets an ability limit of 4.5 and three new moves.

Submissions will be open for about 5 days, so bring your ideas up while you can.

 

[Yoshiblaze]

Braviary-Mega
Ability: Tough Claws
Type:

Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 123 -> 158 (+35)
Def: 75 -> 90 (+15)
SpAtk: 57
SpDef: 75 -> 90 (+15)
Speed: 80 -> 115 (+35)
Move Additions: Quick Attack
Description: Braviary represents a very tough country in the USA, and also has a lot of contact moves like Return, Brave Bird, and Shadow Claw, so I gave it Tough Claws. I also gave Braviary a lot of Speed so it can punch holes in teams without worrying about being outsped most of the time. I gave it Quick Attack for a STAB priority move.
(Sample Moveset: Return, Brave Bird, U-Turn/Roost, Quick Attack/Superpower)

Snorlax-Mega
Ability: Sheer Force
Type:

Stats:
HP: 160
Atk: 110 -> 154 (+44)
Def: 65 -> 86 (+21)
SpAtk: 65
SpDef: 110 -> 160 (+50)
Speed: 30 -> 15 (-15)
Move Additions: Slack Off
Description: Design-wise, Snorlax would become a fatter, but more powerful, version of itself. This would lower it's mobility, but give it a ton of power with it's size, which is why I gave it Sheer Force. I gave it Slack Off because it makes SO MUCH sense.
(Sample Moveset: Body Slam, Crunch, Fire Punch, Slack Off)

Vanilluxe-Mega
Ability: Permafrost- This Pokémon is immune to Fire-type moves (Clone of Levitate)
Type:

Stats:
HP: 71
Attack: 95 -> 105 (+10)
Defense: 85 -> 100 (+15)
SpAtk: 110 -> 149 (+39)
SpDef: 95 -> 110 (+15)
Speed: 79 -> 100 (+21)
Move Additions: Extrasensory, Power Gem, Sunny Day
Description: Vanilluxe is an ice cream cone that never melts, which is why I gave it Permafrost, since now, a Fire move can never melt it. For moves, Extrasensory was given as an extra move coverage, Power Gem because the ice in it's original design resemble gems, and Sunny Day because on a hot sunny day, an ice cream is the perfect treat! (And also turns Weather Ball into a Fire-type move)
(Sample Moveset: Freeze-Dry, Extrasensory, Flash Cannon, Autotomize)

 

[G-Luke]

Snorlax-Mega
Ability: Regenerator
Typing: Normal
Stats: 160/140(+30)/95(+30)/65(+0)/130(+20)/50(+20)
Movepool Addition(s): Slack Off
Description: Mega Snorlax is a powerful special wall with great offensive presence. Regenerator allows it to come in on threats, Slack Off the damage and get out. It can freely spam Double-Edge since it can Regenerate back its health.

Braviary-Mega
Ability: Tough Claws
Typing: Normal/Flying
Stats: 100/143(+20)/95(+20)/57(+0)/95(+20)/120(+40)
Movepool Addition(s): Swords Dance
Description: Braviary is now a threatening wallbreaker and Sweeper with access to SD and Tough Claws. 120 speed is great and allows Braviary to outpace most of the metagame, and Tough Claws is great for this mon, as it boosts the power of both STABs and many coverage options.

Vanilluxe-Mega
Ability: Adaptability
Typing: Ice/Steel
Stats: 71/105(+10)/95(+10)/150(+40)/104(+9)/110(+31)
Movepool Addition(s): Iron Head, Earth Power, Spikes
Description: Coverage, impeccable power thanks to Adaptability, and great typing, Mega Vanilluxe is an excellent choice for a mega. While most people are quick to look at its special stat, it should be known that its Attack stat is actually not bad, so one shouldnt be surprised if a stray Ice Shard revenges your sweeper or Icicle Spear does more than break your lead's Sash.

 

[Reiga]

Mega Braviary
Type: Fighting/Flying
Ability: Intimidate
New Moves:
-Close Combat
Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 133 --> 153
Def: 75 --> 100
SpA: 57
SpD: 75 --> 100
Spe: 80 --> 100
Description: Mega Braviary is truly a jack-of-all trades Pokemon, with 100 stats almost all across the board, with the only exceptions being its garbage and useless Special Attack and its terrifying Attack stat, which can really scare a foe, especially after their Attack gets dropped after being Intimidated by the national bird of the Unova region. While its speed leaves it a bit too slow at times, Mega Braviary has a solid typing and great 100/100/100 defenses + Intimidate, and with U-Turn, you can pivot around some stuff to support your team, the ol' prideful way.

Mega Vanilluxe
Typing: Ice
Ability: Flash Freeze - Ice-Type Gale Wings
New Moves:
-Haze
-Calm Mind

Stats:
HP: 71
Atk: 95 --> 115
Def: 85 --> 95
SpA: 110 --> 140
SpD: 95 --> 115
Spe: 79 --> 99
Description: Ice-types are well known as an amazing attacking type, and while guys like Weavile prove it in the physical side, actual STAB Ice Beam users are pretty rare, so out comes Mega Vanilluxe here, an amazing Special Attacker with an awesome ability. When priority enters the game, the Ice Type becomes a very, very potent type, with the Ice moves that Vanilluxe learns making it a very diverse guy. Need an example? While you can have Ice Beam as a solid priority move with 90 BP, you can also have Freeze-Dry to screw up a ton of Water-types (rip Quagsire). You can even deal with set-up foes by either using Frost Breath to ignore their Calm Mind boost, or Haze to straight up make them lose their stat boosts! One can even be gutsy with a Calm Mind set to truly wreck havoc with your ice-creamy goodness and likely very stupid design that probably includes a banana split or the like. Mega Vanilluxe's main flaw is probably 4MSS and also, at ironically the same time, its low number of coverage moves, only having Flash Cannon and maybe HP Ground.

 

[Six Trails]

Braviary-Mega
Ability: Aerilate
Typing:

Stats: 100 / 135 (+12) / 100 (+25) / 75 (+18) / 100 (+25) / 100 (+20) [BST 610 (+100)]
Movepool Additions: Quick Attack
Description (Competitive): Mega Braviary plays similarly to Mega Pinsir and Mega Salamence: it's a powerful Aerilate physical attacker. It now has access to an Aerilate-boosted Quick Attack to pick off weakened threats, and since it loses its Normal-typing, it now resists Fighting-type attacks and is harder to revenge kill with moves like Mach Punch and the less common Vacuum Wave. Mega Braviary wouldn't be too hard to counter (assuming an OU environment). Even with its increased Speed and Defenses, it still sits at an average Speed tier and only has average bulk that is easily exploitable. Mega Manectric is a perfect counter to it, taking little from its Aerilate-boosted Return and its most common coverage move in Superpower thanks to Intimidate and its Electric-typing. It also has a decent chance to OHKO back with Thunderbolt. Here are some calcs with Braviary's stats fixed to match above:

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-1 252 Atk Aerilate Braviary Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Manectric: 89-105 (31.6 - 37.3%) -- 88.8% chance to 3HKO
-1 252 Atk Braviary Superpower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Manectric: 107-127 (38 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Braviary: 302-356 (88.5 - 104.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

Snorlax-Mega
Ability: Tough Claws
Typing:

Stats: 160 / 160 (+50) / 90 (+25) / 80 (+15) / 120 (+10) / 30 [BST 640 (+100)]
Movepool Additions: Slack Off
Description (Competitive): Mega Snorlax is powerful wallbreaker with Tough Claws to boost the power of its contact moves, and it also gains Slack Off so that it has reliable recovery.

Vanilluxe-Mega
Ability: Skill Link
Typing:

Stats: 71 / 164 (+69) / 100 (+15) / 100 (-10) / 100 (+5) / 100 (+21) [BST 635 (+100)]
Movepool Additions: Rock Blast, Shift Gear
Description (Competitive): With its skyrocketed Attack stat and access to Shift Gear, Mega Vanilluxe takes the role of a physical wallbreaker or a late-game cleaner and can now take full advantage of its Ice-type priority move, Ice Shard. Ferrothorn is a pretty good answer to Mega Vanilluxe. It can stomach even a +1 Icicle Spear and OHKO back with Gyro Ball if Vanilluxe is at +2 Speed. Keldeo can also take any attack from a +1 Vanilluxe and OHKO back with its STAB Fighting-type attack.

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+1 252+ Atk Vanilluxe Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 270-320 (76.7 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Vanilluxe Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 220-260 (68.1 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Vanilluxe: 306-362 (108.1 - 127.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Vanilluxe: 414-488 (146.2 - 172.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Nalei]

Mega Braviary
Ability: Guts
Typing: Normal/Flying
HP: 100 (+0)
Attack: 158 (+35)
Defense: 95 (+20)
Special Attack: 62 (+5)
Special Defense: 95 (+20)
Speed: 100 (+20)
New Move: N/A
Description: No longer able to be ailed by status, Mega Braviary is a powerful physical attacker. It's mediocre 80 base speed has been upgraded to a solid base 100 while it has fantastic bulk. Defensive and offensive sets both have their niche, and U-Turn give both such sets a nice option to gain momentum. It's Bulk Up set allows it to beat physical walls and attackers.
Sample Sets: Pastebin

Mega Snorlax
Ability: No Guard
Typing: Normal
HP: 160 (+0)
Attack: 130 (+20)
Defense: 85 (+20)
Special Attack: 125 (+60)
Special Defense: 120 (+10)
Speed: 20 (-10)
New Moves: N/A
Description: Snorlax becomes extremely annoying and diverse. Just like Machamp, it can abuse a No Guard Dynamic Punch, which through confuse hax allows it to beat many things it ordinarily couldn't. It's now high special attack allows Mega Snorlax to use use Fire Blast, Thunder, Blizzard and Focus Blast (no longer focus miss).
Sample Sets: Pastebin

Mega Vanilluxe
Ability: Tinted Lens
Typing: Ice
HP: 71 (+0)
Attack: 110 (+15)
Defense: 115 (+30)
Special Attack: 130 (+20)
Special Defense: 120 (+25)
Speed: 89 (+10)
New Moves: Calm Mind, Swords Dance and Recover
Description: Game Freak really screwed over Vanilluxe in the movepool department. The only special moves that have a base power above 65 and isn't ice type that it can learn are Flash Cannon and Signal Beam. With Tinted Lens, Vanilluxe is no longer screwed over so badly, requiring only 1 attack to achieve near perfect neutral coverage. The combination of CM, Acid Armor and Recover allows Vanilluxe to become extremely bulky and boost it's damage outcome to very high levels. Swords Dance can provide the basis for an interesting off-meta physical set.
Sample Sets: Pastebin

 

[Swagodile]

Braviary-Mega
Ability: Aerilate
Typing:

HP: 100
Attack: 158 (+35)
Defense: 95 (+20)
Sp. Atk: 62 (+5)
Sp. Def: 95 (+20)
Speed: 100 (+20)
New Move: Close Combat
Description: Fighting-type fits flavor-wise, and gives it STAB on Close Combat/Superpower. Aerilate Return and Thrash are also hard-hitting STAB moves.

 

[Pika Xreme]

Vanilluxe-Mega
Ability: Ice Body / Weak Armor ----> Burninate (Fire-type clone of Pixilate)
Typing: Ice / Fire

Stats:

HP: 71
Attack: 95 ----> 75 (-20)
Defense: 85 ----> 100 (+15)
Special Attack: 110 ----> 150 (+40)
Special Defense: 95 ----> 110 (+15)
Speed: 79 ----> 129 (+50)
Base Stat Total: 535 ----> 635
Movepool Additions: Hyper Voice, Recover, Earth Power
Flavor Description: The right head becomes made of lava. The left head starts sweating/melting, but still smiles knowing it's mostly safe.
Competitive Description: A natural Ice/Fire type would be 4x weak to Pebbles, so having it on a mega is a boon. The basic idea is to Protect first turn, and then use the power of Ice, Fire and your coverage of choice to whoop buttocks.

 

[Reiga]

Mega Snorlax
Typing: Normal
Ability: Bulletproof (If SuMo had been out already it would've been Comatose lmao)
New Moves:
-Slack Off

HP: 160
Attack: 110 --> 140
Defense: 65 --> 85
Special Attack: 65
Special Defense: 110 --> 160
Speed: 30
Description: Becoming even more bloated and fat, Mega Snorlax's belly becomes very durable and "bulletproof", thus the ability, which is pretty great against Focus Blast and the like, even with Mega Snorlax's astonishing 160 Special Defense and 160 HP. As a Pokemon that loves to sleep, Snorlax is probably one able to Slack Off a bit, hence the move, which while possibly overpowered in a CurseLax set, can actually be dealt with when you consider that Snorlax can be Toxic' stalled due to not having Rest or even Immunity, which can actually lead to a player wanting to choose between Slack Off and Rest.

 

[WTCO]

Snorlax

Normal → Normal


HP: 160 → 160 (0)

Atk: 110 → 150 (+40)

Def: 65 → 95 (+30)

SpA: 65 → 65 (0)

SpD: 110 → 160 (+50)

Spe: 30 → 10 (-20)


Thick Fat/Immunity/Gluttony → Thick Fat


New Moves: Slack Off

• Great attack means Snorlax can threaten a ton of Pokemon in OU.
  
  
• Excellent mixed bulk plus the addition of a reliable recovery move allows Snorlax to run a defensive set as well.
  
  
• Snorlax is incredibly slow, meaning it will always have to take a hit before moving. Even with defensive investment, Snorlax is still 2HKO'ed by most Fighting types.
  
  
• Often falls short of KO's since its STAB can't hit anything super effectively.

Vanilluxe

Ice → Ice/Steel

HP: 71 → 71 (0)

Atk: 95 → 110 (+15)

Def: 85 → 110 (+25)

SpA: 110 → 145 (+35)

SpD: 95 → 110 (+15)

Spe: 79 → 89 (+10)


Ice Body/Weak Armor → Storm Drain


New Moves: Earth Power

• High special attack and decent mixed bulk.
  
  
• While an added steel typing gives Vanilluxe a 4x weakness to fighting and fire, it does give it a slew of useful resistances as well as turning a weakness to Stealth Rocks into a neutrality.
  
  
• Vanilluxe's 'Dex entries mentions that it creates its ice moves by swallowing large amounts of water, so I decided that Storm Drain would be a fun and useful ability for it.
  
  
• Earth Power allows Vanilluxe to hit most steel types that resist its STAB moves, most notably Heatran who 4x resists both, super effectively.
  
  
• While Vanilluxe has only three weaknesses all of them are quite common and, as mentioned, two are serious 4x weaknesses.
  
  
• Vanilluxe's speed often falls short of Pokemon it would love to hit even it doesn't try and set up with Autotomize. Lando-T and Keldeo are just two names that immediately spring to mind that outspeed and hit Vanilluxe super effectively with their STAB moves.

Braviary

Normal/Flying → Normal/Flying


HP: 100 → 100 (0)

Atk: 123 → 155 (+32)

Def: 75 → 95 (+20)

SpA: 57 → 60 (+3)

SpD: 75 → 95 (+20)

Spe: 80 → 105 (+25)


Keen Eye/Sheer Force/Defiant → Hustle

• Very high attack that gets a permanent 50% increase due to Hustle. Has the ability the 2HKO almost everything in OU after rocks bar physically defensive Skarmory and, to a lesser extent, physically defensive Mega Slowbro.
  
  
• Solid 100/95/95 bulk allows Braviary to shrug off weaker attacks from walls and keep up the offensive pressure.
  
  
• Speed is decent but certainly not amazing. OU is a fast tier not to mention the plethora of scarf users running about.
  
  
• Braviary still has a Stealth Rock weakness which makes it difficult to switch out a lot.
  
  
• Hustle is notoriously unreliable and tends to miss at the worst of times which can result in a huge swing in the match.

 

[Hourai]

Mega Braviary
Ability: Defiant/Keen Eye/Sheer Force--->Adaptability
Stats: 100(+0)/123->163(+40)/75->90(+15)/57/75->90(+15)/80->110(+30)
New Move: Double-Edge
Description: Powerful physical attacker with decent bulk and Speed

 

[Nalei]

Swagodile You can't change the primary type.

Although this is a rule, I don't see why. Although no megas have had a primary type change, that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Pokemon isn't as uniform as we're often lead to believe. Mega Alakazam didn't get a full base 100 stat increase, only 90. All megas apparently have mega stones, but Mega Rayquaza doesn't. Shedninja, a pokemon with a base 1 HP, always has 1 HP. A pokemon with a base 1 should be able to reach over 100, but Shedninja's was locked to 1. And finally, although we haven't had a mega who loses it's primary typing, we have had a pokemon go through such a transformation: Swablu. Swablu is a Normal/Flying type that evolves into Dragon/Flying type. In my opinion, unless I'm missing something, you should be able to change the primary type of a pokemon though mega evolution.