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Mergemons

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by simsims2800, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. simsims2800

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    Hey, guys! I've seen the resounding success of many OMs here on the forums. I am hoping to have another successful OM created - Mergemons.

    The concept for this metagame is simple. It is similar to regular OU. All stats are the same, all types are the same, all abilities are the same, and all movepools are the same – except for one difference. All fully evolved Pokémon are paired up with another Pokémon. These two Pokémon can now use any move combination from not just their movepool, but their partner’s movepool as well. This means if Azumarill, to give an example, was paired up with Alakazam, Azumarill can now use not just any move it can possibly learn, but any move Alakazam can possibly learn as well.

    Plus, any formerly illegal Generation 5 move combo is now legal. This means Spikes+Sleep Powder Roserade or even Belly Drum+Aqua Jet Azumarill! However, this doesn't mean the Gen 2 event moves like Lovely Kiss Snorlax.

    The list of Pokemon pairings will be shown below.

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    Abomasnow/Absol
    Accelgor/Aerodactyl
    Aggron/Alakazam
    Alomomola/Altaria
    Ambipom/Amoonguss
    Ampharos/Arbok
    Arcanine/Archeops
    Ariados/Armaldo
    Audino/Azumarill
    Banette/Basculin
    Bastiodon/Beartic
    Beautifly/Beedrill
    Beheeyem/Bellossom
    Bibarel/Bisharp
    Blastoise/Blaziken
    Blissey/Bouffalant
    Braviary/Breloom
    Bronzong/Butterfree
    Cacturne/Camerupt
    Carnivine/Carracosta
    Castform/Chandelure
    Charizard/Chatot
    Cherrim/Chimecho
    Cinccino/Claydol
    Clefable/Cloyster
    Cofagrigus/Conkeldurr
    Corsola/Cradily
    Crawdaunt/Crobat
    Crustle/Cryogonal
    Darmanitan/Delcatty
    Delibird/Dewgong
    Ditto/Dodrio
    Donphan/Dragonite
    Drapion/Drifblim
    Druddigon/Dugtrio
    Dunsparce/Durant
    Dusknoir/Dustox
    Eelektross/Electivire
    Electrode/Emboar
    Emolga/Empoleon
    Escavalier/Espeon
    Excadrill/Exeggutor
    Exploud/Farfetch’d
    Fearow/Feraligatr
    Ferrothorn/Flareon
    Floatzel/Flygon
    Forretress/Froslass
    Gallade/Galvantula
    Garbodor/Garchomp
    Gardevoir/Gastrodon
    Gengar/Gigalith
    Girafarig/Glaceon
    Glalie/Gliscor
    Golduck/Golem
    Golurk/Gorebyss
    Gothitelle/Granbull
    Grumpig/Gyarados
    Hariyama/Haxorus
    Heracross/Hippowdon
    Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee
    Hitmontop/Honchkrow
    Houndoom/Huntail
    Hydreigon/Hypno
    Illumise/Infernape
    Jellicent/Jolteon
    Jumpluff/Jynx
    Kabutops/Kangaskhan
    Kecleon/Kingdra
    Kingler/Klinklang
    Kricketune/Krookodile
    Lanturn/Lapras
    Leafeon/Leavanny
    Ledian/Lickilicky
    Liepard/Lilligant
    Linoone/Lopunny
    Lucario/Ludicolo
    Lumineon/Lunatone
    Luvdisc/Luxray
    Machamp/Magcargo
    Magmortar/Magnezone
    Mamoswine/Mandibuzz
    Manectric/Mantine
    Maractus/Marowak
    Masquerain/Mawile
    Medicham/Meganium
    Metagross/Mienshao
    Mightyena/Milotic
    Miltank/Mismagius
    Mothim/Mr. Mime
    Muk/Musharna
    Nidoking/Nidoqueen
    Ninetales/Ninjask
    Noctowl/Octillery
    Omastar/Pachirisu
    Parasect/Pelipper
    Persian/Pidgeot
    Pinsir/Politoed
    Poliwrath/Porygon-Z
    Primeape/Probopass
    Purugly/Quagsire
    Qwilfish/Raichu
    Rampardos/Rapidash
    Raticate/Relicanth
    Reuniclus/Rhyperior
    Roserade/Sableye
    Salamence/Samurott
    Sandslash/Sawk
    Sawsbuck/Sceptile
    Scizor/Scolipede
    Scrafty/Seaking
    Seismitoad/Serperior
    Seviper/Sharpedo
    Shedinja/Shiftry
    Shuckle/Sigilyph
    Simipour/Simisage
    Simisear/Skarmory
    Skuntank/Slaking
    Slowbro/Slowking
    Smeargle/Snorlax (Sketch becomes an event move for Snorlax.)
    Solrock/Spinda
    Spiritomb/Stantler
    Staraptor/Starmie
    Steelix/Stoutland
    Stunfisk/Sudowoodo
    Sunflora/Swalot
    Swampert/Swanna
    Swellow/Swoobat
    Tangrowth/Tauros
    Tentacruel/Throh
    Togekiss/Torkoal
    Torterra/Toxicroak
    Tropius/Typhlosion
    Tyranitar/Umbreon
    Unfezant/Unown
    Ursaring/Vanilluxe
    Vaporeon/Venomoth
    Venusaur/Vespiquen
    Victreebel/Vileplume
    Volbeat/Volcarona
    Wailord/Walrein
    Watchog/Weavile
    Weezing/Whimsicott
    Whiscash/Wigglytuff
    Wobbuffet/Wormadam (all forms)
    Xatu/Yanmega
    Zangoose/Zebstrika
    Zoroark/Rotom (all forms)
    Articuno/Zapdos
    Moltres/Mewtwo
    Mew/Raikou
    Entei/Suicune
    Lugia/Ho-oh
    Celebi/Regirock
    Regice/Registeel
    Latias/Latios
    Kyogre/Groudon
    Rayquaza/Jirachi
    Deoxys/Uxie
    Azelf/Mesprit
    Dialga/Palkia
    Giratina/Regigigas
    Cresselia/Darkrai
    Shaymin/Heatran
    Manaphy/Phione
    Arceus (all forms)/Victini
    Terrakion/Cobalion
    Landorus (all forms)/Virizion
    Tornadus (all forms)/Thundurus (all forms)
    Reshiram/Zekrom
    Keldeo/Kyurem (all forms)
    Genesect/Meloetta (all forms)

    Where can you play this metagame? Simple. You can play it anywhere on Showdown with the Custom Game option. I usually hang out on Joim's Lab to play it, however.

    So try it out! Get out there! And remember: Merge is better!
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2013
  2. Anty

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    When i was looking over the swaps i saw something horrible, wigglytuff/ wobbuffet
    Now, wob gets perish song and softboiled, definately op.

    Also the best shell smashers are magmortar, golurk, houdoom, and octillery, they already have decent coverage.
    Also transform dodrio and sketch slowking look fun.
    (unown gets close combat-op)
  3. eriados

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    Right off the bat, this is what I see as massive threats:

    Spore Ambipom
    Close Combat Haxorus
    Quiver Dance Venusaur
    Nasty Plot Raikou (who now gets Ice Beam, Flamethrower and Aura Sphere for coverage)
    Calm Mind Kyurem
    Hurricane Zapdos
    Wish Wobbufett

    Lesser, but still prominent threats:

    Volcarona now gets Water and Ice coverage without using up its Hidden Power
    Typhlosion has a massive special movepool, with access to Thunderbolt, Earth Power and Ice Beam.
    Ninetales can threaten every opposing weather setter with a set of Nasty Plot / Fire Blast / Focus Blast / Thunder(bolt)
    Seed Flare Heatran
    Rapid Spin / Stealth Rock Froslass
    Dragon Dance Scolipede

    There's probably many others, but I have to say this meta looks really interesting to play.
  4. AWailOfATail

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    Haxorus now gets Fake Out. Not that scary, but it still breaks the sash.

    Also, Weavile gets Explosion (should be funny) and Volcarona learns Water Spout. This will be fun.
  5. Monte Cristo

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    The funny thing about slowking only gets sketch once is that, it can literally just learn sketch, sketch a move, and heart scale back sketch So basically, it gets infinite sketches, have fun! also this looks awesome sims, great job
  6. youngjake93

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    Vileplume gets Tail Glow+Baton Pass+Thunder Wave+Encore and Chlorophyll.

    Slowking gets Cotton Guard lol or Regenerator Wish passing.

    Donphan gets Roost, Dragon Tail, Thunder Wave and more! Dragonite gets Rapid Spin!

    I want to play this, I'll edit this post when I come up with my team.
  7. Leafshield

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    Torkoal/Torterra

    Shell Smash Torterra or Rapid Spin Torterra. Let's fucking go. Also, screens Torkoal is cool (if it doesn't get those already.)

    EDIT

    Cofagrigus/Conkeldurr

    Also OTR Conkeldurr could be really fucking scary.
  8. bobbyvaporeon

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    Some things I found:
    Close Conbat Sawsbuck
    Psystrike, Aura Sphere, and Ice Beam moltres
    FREAKING EXTREMESPEED VICTINI
    Hurricane Thundrus T
    Rapid Spin Cinccino
    Leech Seed Shuckle
    Spikes Quagsire, Ryhperior, Uxie, and Aerodactyl
    Trick Room + Explosion Snorlax
    Extremespeed Rampardos
    Stealth Rock Jelicent
    Substitute + Protect + Shadow Force Regigas
  9. Nozzle

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    ok looking at this, the things that GREATLY benefit mons are:
    Bronzong has Sleep Powder, Dusknoir has Moonlight, Ferrothorn has Wish, Golurk with Shell Smash, Magmortar has Shell Smash, Mienshao has Sucker Punch
  10. simsims2800

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    I said that Slowking gets it like Necturna: only once.
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    Then it is a breeding only move >_< and that doesn't fit the concept
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  12. Arcticblast

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    Wrong. The rule of "only gets Sketch once" can be applied to mean that instead of simply adding Sketch to Slowking's level up moves (since Smeargle does that), it is added as an egg move, using the same logic as Necturna and all of Sketchmons.
  13. Monte Cristo

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    You are aware how necturna works right? and sketchmons? In sketchmons every pokemon gets sketch in every single way except learnset, so it is fully legal with move legalties
    Anyway Necturna gets sketch through EGG MOVE, which allows it only once. WHen in this it clearly says in the OP: "Plus, any formerly illegal move combo is now legal. This means Spikes+Sleep Powder Roserade or even Belly Drum+Aqua Jet Azumarill!"

    In order to legalize any move illegaleties, these moves would all have to be from gen 5 level up

    I swear, people don't understand sketch mechanics, you can't just say "It works liek necturna" while saying "it learns it through level up so no move illeagleties"
  14. Arcticblast

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    Then we add an exception for Sketch Slowking. It's basically just a complex ban - more than one Sketch move on Slowking can be banned.
  15. Monte Cristo

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    And how do you suppose we do that? Banning Sketch + Sketch will not work as the game recognizes it as the move you sektched, not sketch, so for instance if sketch was banned from RU, you would have to ban smearle, as smeargle is using every move he obtained through sketch, he's technically not using sketch

    If you want to have a complex ban, you'll have to make a script that bans a pokemon from recycling sketch with a heart scale, you can't just ban multisketching as a whole, it doesn't work like that
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  16. Arcticblast

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    Or just write a script that prevents Slowking (and only Slowking) from having more than one move it doesn't naturally learn?
  17. simsims2800

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    Arctic you are a genius.

    Arcticblast edit: :)

    Sims edit: You're welcome.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2013
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  18. simsims2800

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    Oi, the only egg move in Mergemons is Slowking's Sketch. Quick and simple.
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    Guys, feel free to post sets or even teams.
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    Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Volt Absorb
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Thunder
    - Hurricane
    - Focus Blast
    - Agility

    Under rain, this has probably one of the most deadly STAB combinations available, the same as it has in STABmons in fact. I can see this demolishing offensive teams and even breaking walls thanks to immense power and coverage. Rain support is obviously mandatory for Thunder and Hurricane.

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    Toxicroak @ Leftovers
    Trait: Dry Skin
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Leech Seed
    - Substitute
    - Drain Punch / Focus Punch
    - Toxic

    Another set that should be used with rain, I think something like this could be incredibly annoying to deal with thanks to mad health recovery every turn. Might not be the optimum set but I feel Leech Seed could definitely cause some rage quits.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2013
  21. eriados

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    I think this set would be pretty funny.

    Flareon @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    - Flame Charge
    - Facade
    - Power Whip
    - Explosion
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2013
  22. youngjake93

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    Wow still no mention of Kyurem Black getting Close Combat, Work Up, Hydro Pump, Aqua Jet, Scald and Taunt. Steel Types be warned.

    Venusaur can run Weather Ball with Chlorophyll? o_O and picks up Quiver Dance, Baton Pass and Toxic Spikes from Venomoth
    Coil Durant>Hone Claws Durant

    But oh when I tried to theorymon an entire team, the fact that Wish+Protect+Perish Song+Heal Bell Wobb exists kind of makes almost everything else irrelevant besides super duper hyper offense and VoltTurn.
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    SupportChomp?

    Garchomp @ Leftovers
    Trait: Rough Skin
    EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 60 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Drain Punch
    - Spikes / Stealth Rock / Toxic Spikes
    - Dragon Tail
    - Rock Blast
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    You said that its similar to regular OU, but in your pairing list, you had ubers, would all ubers be brought down or only some?
    I can see kingler becoming more relevant in this OM, because it gets waterfall with sheer force.
    Also was there any specific way that you paired these mons?
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    Some things that caught my eye... (open)

    Aggron/Alakazam
    +Earth Power, Ice Beam, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Surf


    Arcanine/Archeops
    +U-turn, Aqua Tail, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Roost, Stealth Rock
    +ExtremeSpeed, Close Combat, Fire Blast

    Braviary/Breloom
    +Spore, Force Palm, Drain Punch, ThunderPunch, Swords Dance
    +Brave Bird

    Bronzong/Butterfree
    +Sleep Powder, Roost, Quiver Dance, Whirlwind, U-turn

    Castform/Chandelure
    +Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt


    Crawdaunt/Crobat
    +Dragon Dance


    Darmanitan/Delcatty
    +Sucker Punch

    Donphan
    /Dragonite
    +Roost, Heal Bell, ExtremeSpeed, Thunder Wave, Dragon Tail

    Dusknoir
    /Dustox
    +Roost, Whirlwind, U-turn

    Emolga/Empoleon
    +Roost, Volt Switch, Thunder Wave


    Ferrothorn/Flareon
    +Wish, Heal Bell, Will-o-wisp

    Gallade/Galvantula
    +Will-o-wisp, Focus Blast


    Garbodor/Garchomp
    +Drain Punch


    Gengar/Gigalith
    +Earth Power

    Golurk
    /Gorebyss
    +Shell Smash

    Grumpig/Gyarados
    +ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Drain Punch


    Hariyama/Haxorus
    +Close Combat, Fire Punch


    Infernape/Jellicent
    +Encore, Stealth Rock, U-turn


    Lickilicky/Liepard
    +Disable, Me First


    Magnezone/Mamoswine
    +Earth Power, Ice Beam

    Meganium/Metagross
    +Seed Bomb


    Mienshao/Mightyena
    +Crunch, Sucker Punch

    Nidoqueen/Ninetales
    +Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, Earth Power, Taunt, Thunderbolt, Focus Blast


    Porygon-Z/Primeape
    +Focus Blast

    Relicanth/Reuniclus
    +Hydro Pump, Earth Power, Ice Beam, Scald, Surf


    Sableye/Salamence
    +Fire Punch, Trick, Sucker Punch


    Sharpedo/Shedinja
    +Sucker Punch, Swords Dance

    Shiftry/Shuckle
    +Leech Seed, Power Swap, Synthesis


    Stantler/Staraptor
    +Earthquake, Wild Charge


    Venomoth/Venusaur
    +Quiver Dance


    Yanmega/Zangoose
    +Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Focus Blast

    Articuno/Zapdos
    +Hurricane, Ice Beam


    Moltres/Mewtwo
    +Calm Mind

    Mew/Raikou
    +Ice Beam, Earth Power, Fire Blast, Roost, Nasty Plot


    Rayquaza/Jirachi
    +Dragon Dance


    Deoxys/Uxie
    +Recover, Spikes


    Cresselia/Darkrai
    +Foul Play, Dark Void, Will-o-wisp

    Shaymin/Heatran
    +Eruption, Fire Blast, Flamethrower
    +Seed Flare, Leech Seed, Air Slash

    Arceus (all forms)/Victini
    +ExtremeSpeed, Judgment, Swords Dance, Giga Drain, Blizzard, Earthquake


    Landorus (all forms)/Virizion
    +Close Combat, Energy Ball

    Tornadus (all forms)/Thundurus (all forms)
    +Hurricane


    Keldeo/Kyurem (all forms)
    +Ice Beam, Earth Power, Shadow Ball

    Genesect/Meloetta (all forms)
    +Close Combat


    Obvi list change
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