Milotic

Overview

I would also mention that it isn't that fast like Thundurus or packs priority like Bisharp to compensate for the low Speed.

Moves

Mention some important Ice Beam targets, such as Latias and whatever else. I would also mention that Hidden Power Grass specifically prevents Quagsire, Vaporeon, and Gastrodon from walling you all day.

To be honest, I would drop HP Fire from the set comments and just make a mention of it in the comments. HP Grass is 100% the better move, since netting super effective hits on Azumarill, Rotom-W, and Manaphy, three really good Pokemon, is way too much to pass up. Not to mention Quagsire, Vaporeon, and Gastrodon like I said above. HP Fire is literally only good for Ferrothorn, who isn't even that common or good anymore and can be taken care of through other means. Hydro Pump maims Scizor already, OHKOing it in fact if it chooses to Defog as you bring Milotic in.

Set Details

What kind of attacks does Milotic withstand with a max HP spread and what relevant threats does it now fail to outpace?

Checks & Counters

Mention Blissey along with Chansey, Mega Venusaur, Tentacruel, and AV users such as Conkeldurr, Azumarill, and Snorlax.


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Overview
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With the advent of Defog as a tool to remove entry hazards, Pokemon such as Bisharp and Thundurus are often used to switch into the move, giving them a free Attack boost from Defiant. Milotic has a similar purpose, but differentiates itself from Bisharp and Thundurus by means of its ability, Competitive, which gives it a Special Attack boost when one of its stats are lowered. Furthermore, Milotic can beat two of the most common Defog users, Skarmory and Mandibuzz, which are often physically defensive. In addition to from Defog, Milotic can obtain a Competitive boost from Sticky Web and Intimidate, giving it no shortage of options that it can switch in on. Milotic's Life Orb-boosted attacks hit incredibly hard after a boost from Competitive, it has really good special bulk, and it can heal itself reliably with Recover. It isn't all easy for Milotic though, as it relies on teams with Defog, Sticky Web, or Intimidate users, as it doesn't hit hard enough without a boost. This is one of the reasons why Bisharp and Thundurus are more common Defiant users: they are useful on teams even without a boost from their ability. Milotic isn't fast like Thundurus and lacks powerful priority like Bisharp, which makes its few advantages barely stand out.


Offensive
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name: Offensive
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Recover
ability: Competitive
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
nature: Modest / Timid

Moves
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Hydro Pump is often the most spammable move; it does a ton of damage at +2 to most neutral foes and is almost guaranteed to OHKO enemies it is super effective against. It punches holes in everything. Ice Beam allows Milotic to hit bulky Grass- and Dragon-types that resist Hydro Pump, such as Latias, Latios, Mega Venusaur (which it 2HKOes after a boost from Competitive), and Dragonite. Hidden Power Grass is the most preferable option in the third slot, as it is Milotic's best option against Azumarill, Rotom-W, and Manaphy; furthermore, it prevents Milotic from being walled by the likes of Vaporeon, Quagsire, and Gastrodon. Recover is one of the reasons why this set is so effective. Milotic can Recover when it is at low health, and with its great bulk, it is a huge pain for the opponent to take down. One can opt to use Hidden Power Fire over Hidden Power Grass for the sole purpose of taking down Ferrothorn, but it doesn't have much use otherwise. Lastly, Dragon Pulse is an option to hit Kyurem-B on the switch as well as after surviving a Fusion Bolt if Milotic is running a max HP spread.

Set Details
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Milotic's item of choice is Life Orb, as it boosts Milotic's power while still allowing it to change moves. 252 Special Attack EVs and 252 Speed EVs are standard for a special sweeper, while a Modest nature is used over a Timid one to increase Milotic's power, as the only relevant threats it outspeeds with a Timid nature are Jolly Mamoswine, Jolly Mega Heracross, and Adamant Excadrill. An alternative EV spread of 252 HP / 252 SpA, which should only be used with a Modest nature, allows Milotic to better withstand attacks such as Kyurem-B's Fusion Bolt. It also means that Milotic can switch into Sticky Web to obtain a Competitive boost without its Speed investment becoming redundant. However, with the alternate spread, Milotic fails to outpace Adamant Dragonite, Adamant Mamoswine, and 0 Speed Latias.

Usage Tips
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Milotic has to switch into Defog or Intimidate to be powerful, so you must predict carefully; otherwise, Milotic won't be as effective. Ensure that you take advantage of the boost from Competitive through proper prediction, and break through foes with super effective attacks as they switch in. Recover is good for scouting what move an opponent will make as well as replenishing HP when you have the opportunity or when a switch is forced.

Team Options
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For the offensively oriented teams that Milotic is on, a great teammate is one that can set up entry hazards, which pressure the opponent to use Defog. A spinblocker is necessary so that Rapid Spin users on the opposing team such as Excadrill and Starmie cannot remove your entry hazards. Aegislash with an Air Balloon is the most famous in a core like this, but other spinblockers such as Trevenant and Sableye work perfectly fine. Pokemon that can get rid of Chansey, Blissey, and Kyurem-B are also essential, as Milotic has trouble with these Pokemon. Terrakion, Keldeo, and Conkeldurr can easily do this, with the former two being great on hyper offense teams, and the latter performing better on a bulky offense team.


Other Options
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Milotic can adopt a defensive set, but it is a role in which there is much competition. Milotic has little to make it stand out from the likes of Suicune, Vaporeon, Gastrodon, Slowbro, and Slowking. A RestTalk set can allow Milotic to function similarly to Suicune, and works great with Marvel Scale, but Suicune has one major advantage in this role: Calm Mind. While Milotic is rather pressed for moveslots, one can use Haze to put a stop to annoying setup sweepers. Finally, an Assault Vest set with Competitive allows Milotic to tank attacks from the likes of Thundurus and Mega Charizard Y with its insane special bulk, but it lacks the ability to restore health with Recover.


Checks & Counters
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**Chansey and Blissey**: Being the insane special walls that they are, Chansey and Blissey can tank any of Milotic's hits, even at +2, wear it down with Toxic, and stall it out with a combination of Wish + Protect, or in some cases, Softboiled.

**Kyurem-B**: Kyurem-B can OHKO 4 HP Milotic with Fusion Bolt as well as switch in on any attack bar the rare Dragon Pulse. If it comes in after Milotic gains a KO, it can 2HKO 252 HP Milotic with Fusion Bolt, and will not mind one attack from Milotic.

**Thundurus and Thundurus-T**: Thundurus and Thundurus-T can't switch in on Ice Beam, but they can both outspeed and can easily revenge kill Milotic with Thunderbolt.

**Assault Vest Users**: Assault Vest Raikou performs similarly to Thundurus and Thundurus-T, but it can also tank attacks thanks to its impressive special bulk. Assault Vest Snorlax can take Milotic's attacks well and retaliate with Body Slam. Assault Vest Azumarill performs similarly against an unboosted Milotic, as it can 2HKO Milotic with Play Rough and does not take too much damage from Milotic's attacks.

**Tentacruel**: Tentacruel walls Milotic exceptionally well, as it takes pittance from any of Milotic's attacks even at +2, and can wear Milotic down with Toxic.

**Ferrothorn**: Though Ferrothorn must first scout for Hidden Power Fire, it can wall Milotic without the move, making it a relatively safe check.

**Mega Venusaur**: While Mega Venusaur is 2HKOed by +2 Ice Beam, it can easily wall an unboosted Milotic. Against a boosted Milotic, it can switch in on a Hydro Pump and use Toxic or Leech Seed.

Overview
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With the advent of Defog being usedas a tool to remove entry hazards, Pokemon such as Bisharp and Thundurus are often used to switch into ithe move, giving them a free Attack boost due to their abilityfrom Defiant. Milotic has a similar purpose, but differentiates itself from Bisharp and Thundurus by means of its ability, Competitive, which gives Milotic a Special Attack boost when one of its stats are lowered. Another thing that separatesFurthermore, Milotic from Defiant users is that it can beat two of the most common Defog users, Skarmory and Mandibuzz, which are often physically defensive. It alson addition to from Defog, Milotic can obtains its a Competitive boost from Sticky Web and Intimidate, giving it no shortage of options that it can switch in on, and it. Milotic's Life Orb-boosted attacks hits incredibly hard with a Life Orb after a boost from Competitive. I, it also has really good special bulk, and it can he abil ity toself reliably heal itself with Recover. It isn't all easy for Milotic though, as it relies on teams with Defog, Sticky Web, or Intimidate users to actually become powerful;, as it simply doesn't hit hard enough without a boost, which. This is one of the reasons why Bisharp and Thundurus are more common Defiant users;: they are useful on a teams even without a boost from their ability. Milotic also isn't fast like Thundurus, and lacks powerful priority like Bisharp, which makes its few advantages barely stand out.


Offensive
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name: Offensive
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Recover
ability: Competitive
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
nature: Modest / Timid

Moves
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Hydro Pump is often the most spammable move; it does a ton of damage at +2 to most neutral foes and is almost always a guaranteed to OHKO against enemies it is super effective against. It simply punches holes in everything. Ice Beam allows Milotic to hit the bulky Grass- and Dragon-types that resist Hydro Pump, such as Latias, Latios, Mega Venusaur (which it 2HKOes after a boost from Competitive), and Dragonite. Hidden Power Grass is the most preferable option in the third slot, as it is Milotic's best option against Azumarill, Rotom-W, and Manaphy; furthermore, and it prevents Milotic from being walled by the likes of Vaporeon, Quagsire, and Gastrodon,. Recover is one of the reasons why this set is so effective;. Milotic can simply Recover when it is at low health, and with Milotic's great bulk, it makeis it a huge pain for the opponent to take down. Instead ofOne can opt to use Hidden Power Grass, one can opt to useFire over Hidden Power FireGrass for the sole purpose of brtaking able to take down Ferrothorn, but it doesn't have much use outside of that. Finaltherwise. Lastly, Dragon Pulse is an option to hit Kyurem-B on the switch-in, as well as after surviving itsa Fusion Bolt isf Milotic is running a max HP spread.

Set Details
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Milotic's item of choice is Life Orb, as it boosts Milotic's power while still allowing it to change moves. The 252 Special Attack EVs and 252 Speed EVs are standard for a special sweeper, while a Modest nature is used over a Timid onature to increase Milotic's power, as they only relevant threats youit outspeeds with a Timid nature are Jolly Mamoswine, Jolly Mega Heracross, and Adamant Excadrill. If you want to be faster than these Pokemon, then simply use a Timid nature. An alternative EV spread of 252 HP / 252 SpA, (which should only be used with a Modest) nature, allows Milotic to better withstand attacks msuch better, an example beingas Kyurem-B's Fusion Bolt. It also means that Milotic can switch into Sticky Web to obtain a Competitive boost without its Speed investment becoming redundant. However, wit nowh the alternate spread, Milotic fails to outpace Adamant Dragonite, Adamant Mamoswine, and 0 Speed Latias.

Usage Tips
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Milotic has to switch into Defog or Intimidate to be powerful, so you must predict carefully,; otherwise, Milotic won't be as effective on a team. Ensure that you take advantage of yourthe boost from Competitive boost bythrough proper predictiong when you attack, so you cand break through foes on the second hit if they switch in on a super effective attack. Also,s as they switch in. Recover is not only good for scouting what move an opponent will make, but also for us as well as replenishing HP when you have the opportunity or when you force a switch is forced.

Team Options
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For the sorts of offensively mindoriented teams that Milotic is on, a great teammate is one that can set up entry hazards, which will pressure the opponent to use Defog, unless the. A spinblocker is necessary so thave at Rapid Spin user in which case they will have to try and get past the spinblocker on your own team, which is necessary soopposing that Pokeamon such as Excadrill and Starmie can'not remove your entry hazards. Aegislash with an Air Balloon is the most famous in this sort ofa core like this, but other spinblockers such as Trevenant and Sableye work perfectly fine. Pokemon that can get rid of Chansey, Blissey, and Kyurem-B are also essential, as Milotic has trouble with these Pokemon. Terrakion, Keldeo, and Conkleldurr can easily do this, with the former two being great in aon hyper offensive moldteams, and the latter performing better ion a bulky offensive team.


Other Options
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Milotic was known forcan adopt a defensive sets in BW, so it can perform in a similar role in XY, but it is a role in which there is much competition;. Milotic has little to make it stand out from the likes of Suicune, Vaporeon, Gastrodon, Slowbro, and Slowking. A Rest + Sleep Talk set can allow Milotic tork function a similar veinly to Suicune, whichand works great with Milotic's ability Marvel Scale, but Suicune has one major advantage over Milotic in this role: Calm Mind. While Milotic is rather pressed for moveslots, one can use Haze to put a stop to annoying setup sweepers. Finally, an Assault Vest set with Competitive allows Milotic to tank attacks from the likes of Thundurus and Mega Charizard Y with its insane special bulk, but it lacks the ability to restore its health with Recover.


Checks & Counters
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**Chansey and Blissey**: Being the insane special walls that they are, Chansey and Blissey can tank any of Milotic's hits, even at +2, and wear it down with Toxic while, and stalling it out with a combination of Wish + Protect, or in some cases, Softboiled.

**Kyurem-B**: Kyurem-B can OHKO 4 HP Milotic with Fusion Bolt, as well as being able to switch in on any attack bar the rare Dragon Pulse. If it comes in after Milotic gains a killKO, it can 2HKO 252 HP Milotic with Fusion Bolt, and whilel not minding the onlye attack from Milotic will be able to get in.

**Thundurus and Thundurus-T**: Thundurus and Thundurus-T can't switch in on an Ice Beam, but they can both outspeed and can easily revenge kill Milotic with Thunderbolt, as they both outspeed it.

**Assault Vest Users**: Raikou when equipped with an Assault Vest Raikou performs similarly to Thundurus and Thundurus-T, but it can also tank attacks thanks to its impressive special bulk with the Assault Vest. Assault Vest Snorlax can also take Milotic's attacks well and retaliate with Body Slam, while. Assault Vest Azumarill performs similarly if Milotic has not obtainagainst an unboosted its boost yet,Milotic, as it can 2HKO Milotic with Play Rough whileand does not takinge too much damage from anything elseMilotic's attacks.

**Tentacruel**: Tentacruel walls Milotic exceptionally well, as it takes pittance from any of Milotic's attacks even at +2, and can wear Milotic down bywith Toxic stalling it.

**Ferrothorn**: Though Ferrothorn can wall Milotic if it lacks the raremust first scout for Hidden Power Fire, so eveit can wall Milotic withough this must be determined first, itt the move, making is still a relatively safe check.

**Mega Venusaur**: While Mega Venusaur is 2HKOed by +2 Ice Beam, it can wall Milotic easily if it hasn't obtwall an unboosted Milotic. Againedst a boost, and if it hased Milotic, it can switch in on a Hydro Pump and use Toxic it or use Leech Seed.

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Overview
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With the advent of Defog being used to remove hazards, Pokemon such as Bisharp and Thundurus are often used to switch into it, giving them a free Attack boost due to their ability Defiant. Milotic has a similar purpose, but differentiates itself from Bisharp and Thundurus by means of its ability Competitive, which gives Milotic a Special Attack boost when one of its stats are lowered. Another thing that separates Milotic from Defiant users is that it can beat two of the most common Defog users,: Skarmory and Mandibuzz, which are; These Pokemon often run physically defensive variants. It also obtains its Competitive boost from Sticky Web and Intimidate,: giving it no shortage of options that it can switch in on, and it hits incredibly hard with a Life Orb after a boost from Competitive. It also has really good special bulk and the ability to reliably heal itself with Recover. It isn't all easy for Milotic though, as it relies on the opponent's teams with to be running Defog, Sticky Web, or Intimidate users in order for it to actually become powerful; it simply doesn't hit hard enough without a boost, which is one of the reasons Bisharp and Thundurus are more common Defiant users;: they are useful on a team even without a boost from their ability. Milotic also isn't fast like Thundurus, and it lacks powerful priority: likesomething which Bisharp has., which This means that makes its few advantages barely stand out.

Offensive
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name: Offensive
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Recover
ability: Competitive
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
nature: Modest / Timid

Moves
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Hydro Pump is often the most spammable move; as it does a ton of damage at +2 to most neutral foes at +2 (I have moved "at +2 to the other side as I feel that it didn't make much sense before) and is almost always a guaranteed to get an OHKO against enemies it ishits super effectively against.: Iit simply punches holes in everything. Ice Beam allows Milotic to hit the bulky Grass- and Dragon-types thatwhich resist Hydro Pump, - such as Latias, Latios, Mega Venusaur (which it 2HKOes after a boost from Competitive), and Dragonite. Hidden Power Grass is the most preferablered option in the third slot, as it is Milotic's best option against Azumarill, Rotom-W, and Manaphy, and while it also prevents Milotic from being walled by the likes of Vaporeon, Quagsire, and Gastrodon,. Recover is one of the reasons why this set is so effective;: Milotic can simply Recover when it is at low health, and, with Milotic's great bulk, it makes it a huge pain for the opponent to take down. Instead of Hidden Power Grass, one can opt to use Hidden Power Fire for the sole purpose of bring able to take down Ferrothorn,. butHowever, it doesn't have much use outside of that. Finally, Dragon Pulse is an option to hit Kyurem-B on the switch-in, as well as after surviving its Fusion Bolt isf Milotic is running a max HP spread.

Set Details
========
Milotic's item of choice is Life Orb, as it boosts Milotic's power while still allowing it to change moves. The 252 Special Attack EVs and 252 Speed EVs are standard for a special sweeper, while a Modest nature is used over a Timid nature to increase Milotic's power, as they only relevant threats you outspeed with a Timid nature are Jolly Mamoswine, Jolly Mega Heracross, and Adamant Excadrill. If you want to be faster than these Pokemon, then simply userun a Timid nature. An alternative EV spread of 252 HP / 252 SpA (which should only be used with a Modest nature) allows Milotic to withstand attacks much better, an example being Kyurem-B's Fusion Bolt. It also means that Milotic can switch into Sticky Web to obtain a Competitive boost without its Speed investment becoming redundant. However, it now fails to outpace Adamant Dragonite, Adamant Mamoswine, and 0 Speed Latias.

Usage Tips
========
Milotic has to switch into Defog or Intimidate to be powerful, so you must predict carefully,. oOtherwise Milotic won't be as effective on a team. Ensure that you take advantage of your Competitive boost by predicting when you attack, so that you can break through foes on the second hit if they switch in on a super effective attack. Also, Recover is not only good for scouting what move an opponent will make, but also for using when you have the opportunity or when you force a switch.

Team Options
========
For the sorts of offensively minded teams that Milotic is on, a great teammate is one that can setup entry hazards, which will pressure the opponent to use Defog, (unless they have a Rapid Spin user, in which case they will have to try and get past the spinblocker on your own team, which is necessary so that Pokemon such as Excadrill and Starmie can't remove your hazards). Aegislash with an Air Balloon is the most famous Pokemon in this sort of core, but other spinblockers such as Trevenant and Sableye work perfectly fine. Pokemon that can get rid of Chansey, Blissey, and Kyurem-B are also essential, as Milotic has trouble withhandling these Pokemon. Terrakion, Keldeo, and Conkledurr can easily do this, with the former two being great in a hyper offensive mold, and the latter performing better in a bulky offensive team.

Other Options
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Milotic was known for defensive sets in BW, so it can perform in a similar role in XY, but. However, itthis is a role in which there is much competition;: Milotic has little to stand out from the likes of Suicune, Vaporeon, Gastrodon, Slowbro, and Slowking. A Rest + Sleep Talk set can work in a similar vein to Suicune, whichand such a set works greata treat with Milotic's ability: Marvel Scale, but. Sadly though, Suicune has one major advantage over Milotic in this role: Calm Mind. While Milotic is rather pressed for moveslots, one can use Haze to put a stop to annoying setup sweepers. Finally, an Assault Vest set with Competitive allows Milotic to tank attacks from the likes of Thundurus and Mega Charizard Y with its insane special bulk, but it lacks the ability to restore its health with Recover.

Checks & Counters
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**Chansey and Blissey**: Being the insane special walls that they are, Chansey and Blissey can tank any of Milotic's hits, (even at +2), and wear it down with Toxic while stalling it out with a combination of Wish + Protect, or in some cases, Softboiled.

**Kyurem-B**: Kyurem-B can OHKO 4 HP Milotic with Fusion Bolt, as well as being able to switch in on any attack bar the rare Dragon Pulse. If it comes in after Milotic gains a killKO, it can 2HKO 252 HP Milotic back with Fusion Bolt while not minding the only attack Milotic will be able to get in.

**Thundurus and Thundurus-T**: Both Thundurus and Thundurus-T formes can't switch in on an Ice Beam, but they can easily revenge kill Milotic with Thunderbolt, as they both outspeedpace it.

**Assault Vest Users**: Raikou whenthat are equipped with an Assault Vest performs similarly to Thundurus and Thundurus-T, but it can also tank attacks thanks to its impressive special bulk with the Assault Vest. Assault Vest Snorlax can also take Milotic's attacks well and retaliate with Body Slam, while Assault Vest Azumarill performs similarly if Milotic has not obtained itsa boost yet, and it can 2HKO Milotic with Play Rough while not taking too much damage from anything else.

**Tentacruel**: Tentacruel walls Milotic exceptionally well, as it takes pittance from any of its attacks: even at +2, andFurthermore, it can wear itMilotic down by Toxic-stalling it.

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn can wall Milotic if it lacks the rare Hidden Power Fire, so, even though this must be determined first, it is still a relatively safe check.

**Mega Venusaur**: While Mega Venusaur is 2HKOed by +2 Ice Beam, it can wall Milotic easily if it hasn't obtained a boost, and, if it has, it can switch in on a Hydro Pump and use Toxic it or use Leech Seed.

Overview
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With the advent of Defog being used to remove hazards, Pokemon such as Bisharp and Thundurus are often used to switch into it, giving them a free Attack boost due to their ability Defiant. Milotic has a similar purpose, but differentiates itself from Bisharp and Thundurus by means of its ability Competitive, which gives Milotic a Special Attack boost when one of its stats are lowered. Another thing that separates Milotic from Defiant users is that it can beat two of the most common Defog users: Skarmory and Mandibuzz; These Pokemon often physically defensive variants. It also obtains its Competitive boost from Sticky Web and Intimidate: giving it no shortage of options that it can switch in on and it hits incredibly hard with a Life Orb after a boost from Competitive. It also has really good special bulk and the ability to reliably heal itself with Recover. It isn't all easy for Milotic though, as it relies on the opponent's teamti be running Defog, Sticky Web, or Intimidate users in order for it to actually become powerful; it simply doesn't hit hard enough without a boost, which is one of the reasons Bisharp and Thundurus are more common Defiant users: they are useful on a team even without a boost from their ability. Milotic also isn't fast like Thundurus and it lacks powerful priority: something which Bisharp has. This means that its few advantages barely stand out.

Offensive
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name: Offensive
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Recover
ability: Competitive
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
nature: Modest / Timid

Moves
========
Hydro Pump is often the most spammable move as it does a ton of damage to most neutral foes at +2 and is almost always guaranteed to get an OHKO against enemies it hits super effectively: it simply punches holes in everything. Ice Beam allows Milotic to hit the bulky Grass- and Dragon-types which resist Hydro Pump - such as Latias, Latios, Mega Venusaur (which it 2HKOs after a boost from Competitive), and Dragonite. Hidden Power Grass is the preferred option in the third slot as it is Milotic's best option against Azumarill, Rotom-W, and Manaphy, while it also prevents Milotic from being walled by the likes of Vaporeon, Quagsire, and Gastrodon. Recover is one of the reasons why this set is so effective: Milotic can simply Recover when it is at low health and, with Milotic's great bulk, it makes it a huge pain for the opponent to take down. Instead of Hidden Power Grass, one can opt to use Hidden Power Fire for the sole purpose of bring able to take down Ferrothorn. However, it doesn't have much use outside of that. Finally, Dragon Pulse is an option to hit Kyurem-B on the switch-in, as well as after surviving its Fusion Bolt is Milotic is running a max HP spread.

Set Details
========
Milotic's item of choice is Life Orb as it boosts Milotic's power while still allowing it to change moves. The 252 Special Attack EVs and 252 Speed EVs are standard for a special sweeper, while a Modest nature is used over a Timid nature to increase Milotic's power as they only relevant threats you outspeed with a Timid nature are Jolly Mamoswine, Jolly Mega Heracross and Adamant Excadrill. If you want to be faster than these Pokemon, simply run a Timid nature. An alternative EV spread of 252 HP / 252 SpA (which should only be used with a Modest nature) allows Milotic to withstand attacks much better, an example being Kyurem-B's Fusion Bolt. It also means that Milotic can switch into Sticky Web to obtain a Competitive boost without its Speed investment becoming redundant. However, it now fails to outpace Adamant Dragonite, Adamant Mamoswine, and 0 Speed Latias.

Usage Tips
========
Milotic has to switch into Defog or Intimidate to be powerful, so you must predict carefully. Otherwise Milotic won't be as effective on a team. Ensure that you take advantage of your Competitive boost by predicting when you attack so that you can break through foes on the second hit if they switch in on a super effective attack. Also, Recover is not only good for scouting what move an opponent will make, but also for using when you have the opportunity or when you force a switch.

Team Options
========
For the sorts of offensively minded teams that Milotic is on, a great teammate is one that can setup entry hazards which will pressure the opponent to use Defog (unless they have a Rapid Spin user, in which case they will have to try and get past the spinblocker on your own team which is necessary so that Pokemon such as Excadrill and Starmie can't remove your hazards. Aegislash with an Air Balloon is the most famous Pokemon in this sort of core, but other spinblockers such as Trevenant and Sableye work perfectly fine. Pokemon that can get rid of Chansey, Blissey, and Kyurem-B are also essential, as Milotic has trouble handling these Pokemon. Terrakion, Keldeo, and Conkledurr can easily do this, with the former two being great in a hyper offensive mold, and the latter performing better in a bulky offensive team.

Other Options
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Milotic was known for defensive sets in BW, so it can perform in a similar role in XY. However, this is a role in which there is much competition: Milotic has little to stand out from the likes of Suicune, Vaporeon, Gastrodon, Slowbro, and Slowking. A Rest + Sleep Talk set can work in a similar vein to Suicune and such a set works a treat with Milotic's ability: Marvel Scale. Sadly though, Suicune has one major advantage over Milotic in this role: Calm Mind. While Milotic is rather pressed for moveslots, one can use Haze to put a stop to annoying setup sweepers. Finally, an Assault Vest set with Competitive allows Milotic to tank attacks from the likes of Thundurus and Mega Charizard Y with its insane special bulk, but it lacks the ability to restore its health with Recover.

Checks & Counters
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**Chansey and Blissey**: Being the insane special walls that they are, Chansey and Blissey can tank any of Milotic's hits (even at +2) and wear it down with Toxic while stalling it out with a combination of Wish + Protect or Softboiled.

**Kyurem-B**: Kyurem-B can OHKO 4 HP Milotic with Fusion Bolt, as well as being able to switch in on any attack bar the rare Dragon Pulse. If it comes in after Milotic gains a KO, it can 2HKO 252 HP Milotic back with Fusion Bolt while not minding the only attack Milotic will be able to get in.

**Thundurus**: Both Thundurus formes can't switch in on an Ice Beam, but they can easily revenge kill Milotic with Thunderbolt as they outpace it.

**Assault Vest Users**: Raikou that are equipped with an Assault Vest performs similarly to Thundurus and Thundurus-T, but it can also tank attacks thanks to its impressive special bulk with the Assault Vest. Assault Vest Snorlax can also take Milotic's attacks well and retaliate with Body Slam, while Assault Vest Azumarill performs similarly if Milotic has not obtained a boost yet and it can 2HKO Milotic with Play Rough while not taking too much damage from anything else.

**Tentacruel**: Tentacruel walls Milotic exceptionally well, as it takes pittance from any of its attacks: even at +2. Furthermore, it and can wear Milotic down by Toxic stalling it.

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn can wall Milotic if it lacks Hidden Power Fire so, even though this must be determined first, it is still a relatively safe check.

**Mega Venusaur**: While Mega Venusaur is 2HKOed by +2 Ice Beam, it can wall Milotic easily if it hasn't obtained a boost and, if it has, it can switch in on a Hydro Pump and use Toxic or Leech Seed.
 
gamer boy A lot of the changes in your amcheck seem either unnecessary or just incorrect. Some examples include:

"Another thing that separates Milotic from Defiant users is that it can beat two of the most common Defog users: Skarmory and Mandibuzz; These Pokemon often physically defensive variants."

This not only doesn't make sense, but there is also a capital letter in there that shouldn't be there, and the fact that you use variants without referring to what it would be a variant of. The prose is also fine how it currently is.

Other, more minor things include making +2 seem like a defensive boost on the opposing Pokemon rather than a Competitive boost to Milotic, changing "that" to "which" in context that doesn't even make sense, changing "great" to "a treat" which isn't necessary at all, Toxic stalling doesn't have a dash in it, referring to Thundurus and Thundurus-T as "both Thundurus formes" which doesn't really work, saying "sadly, though" in one case in which it isn't necessary and changes my natural prose, and turning the word "the" into "they" in your c/p. I'm afraid I'm going to have to not include this amcheck and simply go on the next official GP check, purely because of the many errors I encountered. Sorry.
 

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Overview
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With the advent of Defog's use as a tool to remove entry hazards, Pokemon such as Bisharp and Thundurus are often used to switch into the move, giving them a free Attack boost from Defiant. Milotic has a similar purpose, but differentiates itself from Bisharp and Thundurus by means of its ability, Competitive, which gives it a Special Attack boost when one of its stats are lowered. Furthermore, Milotic can beat two of the most common Defog users, Skarmory and Mandibuzz, which are often physically defensive. In addition to from Defog, Milotic can obtain a Competitive boost from Sticky Web and Intimidate, giving it no shortage of options that it can switch in on. Milotic's Life Orb-boosted attacks hit incredibly hard after a boost from Competitive, it has really good special bulk, and it can heal itself reliably with Recover. It isn't all easy for Milotic though, as it relies on teams with Defog, Sticky Web, or Intimidate users, as it doesn't hit hard enough without a boost. This is one of the reasons why Bisharp and Thundurus are more common Defiant users: they are useful on teams even without a boost from their ability. Milotic isn't fast like Thundurus and lacks powerful priority like Bisharp, which makes its few advantages barely stand out.


Offensive
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name: Offensive
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: Recover
ability: Competitive
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
nature: Modest / Timid

Moves
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Hydro Pump is often the most spammable move; it does a ton of damage at +2 to most neutral foes and is almost guaranteed to OHKO enemies it is super effective against. It punches holes in everything. Ice Beam allows Milotic to hit bulky Grass- and Dragon-types that resist Hydro Pump, such as Latias, Latios, Mega Venusaur (which it 2HKOes after a boost from Competitive), and Dragonite. Hidden Power Grass is the most preferable option in the third slot, as it is Milotic's best option against Azumarill, Rotom-W, and Manaphy; furthermore, it prevents Milotic from being walled by the likes of Vaporeon, Quagsire, and Gastrodon. Recover is one of the reasons why this set is so effective. Milotic can Recover when it is at low health, and with its great bulk, it is a huge pain for the opponent to take down. One can opt to use Hidden Power Fire over Hidden Power Grass for the sole purpose of taking down Ferrothorn, but it doesn't have much use otherwise. Lastly, Dragon Pulse is an option to hit Kyurem-B on the switch as well as after surviving a Fusion Bolt if Milotic is running a max HP spread.

Set Details
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Milotic's item of choice is Life Orb, as it boosts Milotic's power while still allowing it to change moves. 252 Special Attack EVs and 252 Speed EVs are standard for a special sweeper, while a Modest nature is used over a Timid one to increase Milotic's power, as the only relevant threats it outspeeds with a Timid nature are Jolly Mamoswine, Jolly Mega Heracross, and Adamant Excadrill. An alternative EV spread of 252 HP / 252 SpA, which should only be used with a Modest nature, allows Milotic to better withstand attacks such as Kyurem-B's Fusion Bolt. It also means that Milotic can switch into Sticky Web to obtain a Competitive boost without its Speed investment becoming redundant. However, with the alternate spread, Milotic fails to outpace Adamant Dragonite, Adamant Mamoswine, and 0 Speed Latias.

Usage Tips
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Milotic has to switch into Defog or Intimidate to be powerful, so you must predict carefully; otherwise, Milotic won't be as effective. Ensure that you take advantage of the boost from Competitive through proper prediction, and break through foes with super effective attacks as they switch in. Recover is good for scouting what move an opponent will make as well as replenishing HP when you have the opportunity or when a switch is forced.

Team Options
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For the offensively oriented teams that Milotic is on, a great teammate is one that can set up entry hazards, which pressure the opponent into using Defog. A spinblocker is necessary so that Rapid Spin users on the opposing team such as Excadrill and Starmie cannot remove your entry hazards. Aegislash with an Air Balloon is the most famous in a core like this, but other spinblockers such as Trevenant and Sableye work perfectly fine. Pokemon that can get rid of Chansey, Blissey, and Kyurem-B are also essential, as Milotic has trouble with these Pokemon. Terrakion, Keldeo, and Conkeldurr can easily do this, with the former two being great on hyper offense teams, (RC) and the latter performing better on a bulky offense team.


Other Options
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Milotic can adopt a defensive set, but it is a role in which there is much competition. Milotic has little to make it stand out from the likes of Suicune, Vaporeon, Gastrodon, Slowbro, and Slowking. A RestTalk set can allow Milotic to function similarly to Suicune, and works great with Marvel Scale, but Suicune has one major advantage in this role: Calm Mind. While Milotic is rather pressed for moveslots, one can use Haze to put a stop to annoying setup sweepers. Finally, an Assault Vest set with Competitive allows Milotic to tank attacks from the likes of Thundurus and Mega Charizard Y with its insane special bulk, but it lacks the ability to restore health with Recover.


Checks & Counters
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**Chansey and Blissey**: Being the insane special walls that they are, Chansey and Blissey can tank any of Milotic's hits, even at +2, wear it down with Toxic, and stall it out with a combination of Wish + Protect, or in some cases, Softboiled.

**Kyurem-B**: Kyurem-B can OHKO 4 HP Milotic with Fusion Bolt as well as switch in on any attack bar the rare Dragon Pulse. If it comes in after Milotic gains a KO, it can 2HKO 252 HP Milotic with Fusion Bolt, (RC) and will not mind one attack from Milotic.

**Thundurus and Thundurus-T**: Thundurus and Thundurus-T can't switch in on Ice Beam, but they can both outspeed and can easily revenge kill Milotic with Thunderbolt.

**Assault Vest Users**: Assault Vest Raikou performs similarly to Thundurus and Thundurus-T, but it can also tank attacks thanks to its impressive special bulk. Assault Vest Snorlax can take Milotic's attacks well and retaliate with Body Slam. Assault Vest Azumarill performs similarly against an unboosted Milotic, as it can 2HKO Milotic with Play Rough and does not take too much damage from Milotic's attacks.

**Tentacruel**: Tentacruel walls Milotic exceptionally well, as it takes pittance from any of Milotic's attacks even at +2, and can wear Milotic down with Toxic.

**Ferrothorn**: Though Ferrothorn must first scout for Hidden Power Fire, it can wall Milotic without the move, making it a relatively safe check.

**Mega Venusaur**: While Mega Venusaur is 2HKOed by +2 Ice Beam, it can easily wall an unboosted Milotic. Against a boosted Milotic, it can switch in on a Hydro Pump and use Toxic or Leech Seed.

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ok so i approved this before but meh

milotic is not good. it's basically hardwalled by every special wall ever. it's pretty slow, and the lati twins which are premier defoggers can annihilate it. it's generally outclassed by bisharp and to a lesser extent thundurus, which are generally better at handling defoggers. furthermore, competitive is not enough to give it the edge over keldeo, manaphy, and azumarill as general utility water-types, which can all fulfill different roles in a much more threatening and effective manner for the team. i've talked this over with the other qc members, and the sentiment is the same throughout.

QC Rejected 1/3
 
There really isn't much of a niche for it in OU and it's too much trouble to use to really be worth a teamslot.

QC Reject 2/3
 

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