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Your point here is kinda valid, but what can gastrodon do here, remember when i first switch in, I don't know what set it is, if its the specs set, i've just lost my gastrodon, if it's the Sub or SubRoost set I've just lost my gastrodon and probably another poke when they come in as nothing else can take a hit.Inscribe said:Ground doesn't auto-lose VS Kyurem-white unless your opponent is a complete idiot and sacks him to something, since Gastrodon can freely switch into a Draco Meteor, but Choice Specs Draco is a 2HKO, and Choice Specs HP Grass OHKOes if you really wanna be that guy. If you run sets like Specs HP Grass,
>252+ SpA Turboblaze Kyurem-W Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 292-344 (68.5 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-W Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 432-512 (101.4 - 120.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-W Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 349-412 (81.9 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ SpA Turboblaze Kyurem-W Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 234-276 (54.9 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
The thing is, if you run Choice Specs you lose the needed Choice Scarf that makes Kyurem-white thrive in this Metagame, even with Ice's shit supporting skills. You can always run Scarf HP Grass as well, but then you lose some of Kyurem-white's amazing coverage, same thing with any other HP Grass variant.
I'd be extremely hard pressed to set up a SD on anything on an ice team, unless on a predicted switch or if I'm using sashed Excadrill (ewww), and if I am sashed, the myriad of Ice Shard wielded by these teams means I will get no more than one KO, not to mention if it's one of the uncommon abomasnow teams my speed advantage gets robbed anyhow.Anttyaz said:I'm that guy who runs Adamant LO Outrage Kyurem-W tho..
252+ Atk Life Orb Turboblaze Kyurem-W Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gastrodon: 364-429 (85.4 - 100.7%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO (Serious tho, I run a LO Mixed Wallbreaker set)
Anyways yeah, it's actually pretty hard for a Ground user to auto lose, esp if they carry Swords Dance Iron Head Excadrill. Also, Toxic stall Gastrodon's just plain annoying (for Ice at least)
When I say auto-win, I don't mean in the talonflame sense where it literally needed one mon removing and then swept house, I mean that in the sense that if the opponent is clever with it, every time they bring it in, I'm forced into a position where i have to choose the next mon to sac. Playing like that will only wear your team down to the point where it may aswell be an auto-win anyway.
EDIT: Correction, I don't automatically lose my gastrodon if it is a Sub set, but there is nothing gastro can do to break the Sub, and eventually kyurem will get the crit it needs to break through it, coming out with the Sub too.
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