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Moody (Ubers Edition)

Discussion in 'BW Ubers' started by calze6, Jan 20, 2011.

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  1. Farewell

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    Well. 7x14 = 98%

    because 7x10 = 70, + 7x4= 28, therefore 70 + 28 = 98
  2. calze6

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    Actually, no. Otherwise, you are saying after 8 goes, you will always get a speed boost which isn't true. Another problem is that an evasion boost also greatly gives the likelihood of sweeping as well.
  3. ShinySuicune

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    Don't ban Inconsistent. Theres only a 1/7 chance for the evasion boost >_> if it's "too hax reliant"you guys wouldv'e banned Shaymin-S + Jirachi LOOOONNGGG AGO.
  4. TM13IceBeam

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    its the evasion boosts that matter.

    if Serene Grace was game-changing we'd have banned stuff like Togekiss and force it to use Hustle

    tl;dr: slippery slope


    also Skymin fears one move called Ice Shard. if only something good actually got it...!
  5. guanlong

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    Actually, I've played against quite some Inconsistent abusers on the PO tier, and it seems that Inconsistent has been rather...underwhelming. I failed to account for Draco Meteors, Water Spouts, Earthquakes and Psycho Breaks coming off of 150++ base stats. Also, I find it extremely hilarious that Inconsistent most often trolls the user by getting cruddy boosts.

    The players on PO are also incredibly stupid (those who abuse Inconsistent) and often tend to spam Protect in an attempt to boost up while my Pokemon just hammers away.
  6. j99ubers

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    Inconsistent definitely isnt underwhelming, but more to do with the fact you've been playing on the PO tier. The players there aren't great and don't often abuse Inconsistent properly, and even then I've faced some of them and still managed to lose no matter how much of an advantage I've gained before I face the Inconsistent user. Its incredibly unbalancing and really should be banned. Though it never will on PO due to the fact that they aren't willing to ban evasion there.
  7. Focus

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    On the PO ladder, Inconsistent users are usually beaten with Toxic Spikes. If that isn't possible, my Whimsicott has a good ol' time screwing things up. If THAT somehow doesn't work, I send in something with Thunder in the rain (or even Aura Sphere if my opponent's SpD isn't too high) and spam attacks. That's just me, though. My point is that there are numerous ways to deal with Inconsistent that reduce Octillery or Bibarel down to size, and I feel that they are beatable 90% of the time even with the correct boosts, and take down no more than one or two team members.

    I just do not want people to rush to judgment when assuming that Inconsistent necessarily introduces an unsurmountable amount of luck to the metagame. I do not have much experience playing against Inconsistent in Smogon, so I don't see what the big deal is with it. It is a fringe strategy that should be prepared for like everything else.
  8. j99ubers

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    So what about sun teams, they don't want to run Thunder and alot of them don't run Aura Sphere (like mine) and any good Inconsistent user will run a grounded Poison to both absorb Toxic Spikes and then to set their own. Add into this the fact that Smeargle gets Baton Pass, he can swap out to something that is immune to either Aura Sphere or Thunder, and if he passes a sub then they will be unaffected by Toxic Spikes. There's a reason that almost everyone wants this banned, it makes the game as unbalanced as stuff like Minimise Blissey, or Minimise Baton Pass Drifblim.
  9. Focus

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    For the record, I do not play Dream World Ubers very frequently, so feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt for that tier. All I'm saying is that in my experience, it is very possible to build decent teams that can effectively deal with any particular threat, and Inconsistent is no exception.

    However, just because I personally don't mind playing against Inconsistent doesn't mean that I don't support a vote taking place to determine whether or not it is detrimental to the metagame or takes away a lot of the fun of playing Ubers overall or whatever. That needs to eventually happen to set the record straight on whether it should be treated as just another thing to prepare for or an unhealthy attribute of the Ubers tier that needs to be done away with for the sake of the metagame.
  10. locoghoul

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    you are kidding me right? Kyogre's usage has never gone below 40% and you say this isn't "overcentralising"... Have a haze user? Just like you have a spinner if you have Ho-oh/play stall? Cmon just because it's gay doesn't mean "i don't want to play against noobs who can beat my team"
  11. TM13IceBeam

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    The users of Haze don't have a comfortable niche in ubers to play with...
  12. calze6

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    Kyogre can be played around with one or two pokes. Inconsistent requires ridiculously obscure things in order to counter it. Plus, it has a 1 in 7 chance of sweeping a team at any stage of game.
  13. Farewell

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    Scarf Ditto works pretty well to counter, as does Trace Porygon2 with Miracle of Evolution.

    Ironically Heart Swap Manaphy can steal from them as well.
  14. TM13IceBeam

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    Scarf Ditto wasn't out yet in WiFi, but IIRC Inconsistent Octillery was. Trace P2 needs to come in ASAP or it loses out on the boosting war.
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    Trace, Unaware, Ditto, Psych Up, Snatch (?)
    ^^Just some thoughts on beating Inconsisntent.
  16. jrp

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    It was a pain in the ass having to use up a slot in my team in standard to deal with inconsistent. Doing it in a fast-paced metagame where a single mistake can mean losing the entire battle, like ubers? No thank you.
    I say to just have a blanket ban on the ability, and prevent it from being used in any tier, like OHKO moves and Evasion moves.
    An example is:
    I started an ubers tourney on the PO server yesterday. The semi-finals, someone was beating his opponent. The opponent sends in an inconsistent Pokemon and sweeps.

    Having an ability like that is hardly "creating a desirable metagame".
    so yeah, there's my two cents
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    That is true but if something truly is broken and overcentralizing, then you do need to run something to stop it from sweeping you. At least until it (hopefully) gets banned.
  18. j99ubers

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    Scarf Ditto is a terrible counter, for one every inconsistent abuser runs substitute which stops ditto in its tracks, and being locked into one attack doesnt really help it abuse inconsistent. Porygon2 wont work either unless you're running it with sub and protect which makes it largely useless outside of trying to counter inconsistent. Heart Swap might work but its not a move that Manaphy wants to use alot of the time.
  19. jrp

    jrp wanker of the highest order

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    I was thinking, red card ditto would be a decent idea.
    As soon as the inconsistent user attacks, he gets forced out.
    I mean, it's not 100% reliable, but it can help
  20. TM13IceBeam

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    By that logic, anything with Red Card works, not just Ditto.
  21. jrp

    jrp wanker of the highest order

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    but ditto copies the boosts, that's the main thing
  22. TM13IceBeam

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    Ditto doesn't transform if Inconsistent d00d is behind sub, which happens 99% of the time unless you somehow manage to smash the sub then immediately switch to ditto, but then Inconsistent user subs on the switch and spams protect/sub. Ditto also only has 5 PP, so prediction can be used to work around the problem.
  23. jrp

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  24. j99ubers

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    I can guarantee you that sub does block it, both transform the move and dittos ability.
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