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Munchlax Update Done :)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Danilo, May 27, 2012.

  1. Danilo

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    [Overview]

    <p>Munchlax is a force to be reckoned with in Little Cup. It has a high Attack stat, great Special Defense stat, an impeccable HP stat, and it's incredibly cute to top it all off. Sprinkle on an incredible movepool and you have a Pokemon that's ready to take on many of Little Cup's hardest hitting special, such as Snover and Misdreavus. However, this obese cutie is not without its faults. Normal typing is a mixed bag in Little Cup; on the one hand, Munchlax is immune to Shadow Ball, an extremely common attack in LC; on the other hand, LC is filled with tons of Fighting-types, most of which can take out Munchlax with ease. Don't let these faults deter you from using Munchlax, as it can prove to be an incredible asset to your team with the right support.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Tank
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Fire Punch
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Pursuit / Focus Punch
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Say hello to Munchlax's most dangerous set. With maximum Attack investment and an Adamant nature, Return does serious damage to most Pokemon that don't resist it. Fire Punch hits Steel-types super effectively and is capable of OHKOing Ferroseed and 2HKOing Bronzor. Earthquake hits Chinchou and Ponyta incredibly hard, as it is able to 2HKO or OHKO the aforementioned Pokemon, depending on what EV spread they run. The final moveslot should be tailored towards your team's needs. Pursuit can be used for a likely OHKO on Misdreavus if it's switching out and has taken Stealth Rock damage. On the other hand, Focus Punch is great for OHKOing an overconfident Scraggy that might switch into Munchax.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread takes full advantage of Munchlax's stat distribution. An Adamant nature and maximum Attack investment are necessary to ensure that Munchlax 2HKOes most Pokemon with the appropriate coverage move. 236 Special Defense EVs ensure that Munchlax retains excellent special bulk in order to hard counter Snover, Misdreavus, and even Gastly. The rest of the EVs are dumped into Defense to ensure that Munchlax is able to take some physical attacks. Speaking of physical attacks, Munchlax's ability, Thick Fat, allows it to check Larvesta and Ponyta despite Munchlax's mediocre Defense stat. Eviolite is needed to ensure that Munchlax can take hits throughout the course of the battle.</p>

    <p>As a Normal-type in a tier plagued with Fighting-types, Munchlax certainly needs partners that can defeat the likes of Mienfoo, Timburr, and other powerful Fighting-types. Misdreavus makes for an excellent Mienfoo switch-in, as it is capable of burning the aforementioned Fighting-type with Will-O-Wisp and setting up Nasty Plot, while fearing only the rare Payback. Otherwise, it can just take Mienfoo out with Shadow Ball. Larvesta resists Fighting-type moves, can burn Fighting-types with Flame Body, and does hefty damage with a STAB Flare Blitz. More defensive partners include Shelmet, who defeats all Fighting-types lacking Stone Edge and also setup Spikes, Tentacool, who can set up Toxic Spikes, and Hippopotas, who can shuffle with Yawn, set up Stealth Rock, and support your team with a permanent sandstorm.</p>

    <p>Munchlax is a Pokemon with a huge movepool; consequently it has some other viable options Body Slam is a weaker alternative to Return, but it has a big upside: a 30% chance of paralyzing the opponent. Seed Bomb is useful for taking down Tirtouga, one of the only Pokemon that has nothing to fear from Munchlax; Seed Bomb is also useful for hitting Frillish. Finally, Rock Slide is useful for hitting Larvesta.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As previously mentioned, Munchlax has a ton of cool options. Stockpile is an interesting option, but in a fast-paced metagame like Little Cup, it's hard for a Normal-type to make full use of the move. Whirlwind is useful on more defensive teams, as Munchlax forces switches with ease. Toxic can be used to cripple bulky Water-types, especially Frillish, but Munchlax 2HKOes most of them anyway so stick to Return. Munchlax also has access to Sunny Day and Rain Dance; these moves should be utilized on weather teams looking for the right weather supporter.</p>

    <p>Munchlax also has some cool sets it can run. A Substitute and Focus Punch set is a decent option for putting huge dents into nearly anything that switches into Munchlax, namely Lileep, one of Munchlax's best checks. A RestTalk set can be used, but a fast-paced metagame like Little Cup doesn't make such a passive strategy incredibly viable. A Curse set is feasible for boosting Munchlax's mediocre Defense and incredible Attack stats, and gives Munchlax greater sweeping potential. Finally, an Oran Berry and Recycle set gives Munchlax great longevity, but remember that Munchlax won't be taking hits incredibly well without Eviolite.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Like all Normal-types in Little Cup, Munchlax fears Fighting-types. Mienfoo can take a Return from Munchlax, OHKO it with Hi Jump Kick, get rid of Munchlax's Eviolite with Knock Off, or maintain momentum by forcing a switch with U-turn. Then, Mienfoo can gain HP back simply by switching out thanks to Regenerator. Scraggy can switch into any of Munchlax's common moves apart from Focus Punch and use Dragon Dance on the switch, or simply take Munchlax out with Hi Jump Kick. Timburr can set up with Bulk Up and take down Munchlax with Drain Punch, while recovering any HP lost. Lileep is one of the best defensive counters to Munchlax as it has access to reliable recovery and great defenses. Similarly, Slowpoke and Frillish can take on Munchlax if it lacks the rare Seed Bomb.</p>
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    Mention how well it beats Snover with dat SpDef and Fire Punch. Moves on set 1 should look like:

    Return
    Earthquake
    Fire Punch / Crunch
    Pursuit / Focus Punch

    Imply that Crunch and Focus Punch should be used in tandem for their coverage. Also say that really any combo of moves can be used here.

    Set two I don't really see the point of slashing Fire Punch, as I've never used RT lax to beat Steel-types and I never would. Your call though.

    QC 1/2
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    Munchlax doesn't get crunch. Otherwise I'd be using sleeptalkinglax a lot more (and it's still good). Instead, slash pursuit with fire punch as fire punch does virtually the same as a super-effective pursuit when they're not switching out and hits steels. Slash body slam with return on both sets. The para chance is too good to pass up in my experience. Mention cleric support and rest on the first set, keeps munchie around for much longer and you might as well if you're carrying chinchou (as I'm sure you know).
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    I don't really like coverage options being in the OO. Remove Seed Bomb, Rock Slide, and Focus Punch from the OO. Give AC mentions to both Seed Bomb and Rock Slide in both sets, and an AC mention for Focus Punch in the RestTalk set (not in the first as Focus Punch is a slash).

    Speaking of RestTalk, I have never seen it used well, ever. It has always been a complete and utter failure when I have played it. Unless you can show me logs of you using it well and it not becoming set up bait or absolutely useless when it's asleep, I would prefer that set be OO'd.

    I'll leave it up in the air for now, but I want logs.

    Expand on Checks and Counters, and elaborate more on Teammates in the sets.

    Tentative QC 2/2.
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    You still have Seed Bomb and Rock Slide in OO. You said Energy Ball instead of Seed Bomb in the AC. Mention Body Slam in the AC of the first set as well, and also include Sunny Day / Rain Dance in OO.
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    I was going to add/remove whatever the changes were when i began writing but since you want me to add remove them from the skele then ill get to that...
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    You still have Crunch listed!
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    And no bodyslam slashed either :(.
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    body slam is in the AC
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    im wondering if a restalk set with return/body slam and pursuit it viable to take on special attackers thoughout the game without getting worn down. P.s mienfoo has a 30% chance of loosing to munchlax if it uses body slam as its 2HKOed and body slam could paralyse which lets munchy outspeed and finnish it off. Restalk is pretty good but needs a cleric to work really well though. I'm using it atm and it checks special attackers well as it isnt worn down, I have it with chinchous heal bell support and its working pretty well, pursuit is a cool move for countering abra.

    Restalk needs more love imo (and some sympathy from game freak who pretty much nerfed it >.>) as it can stick around to check specal attackers for the whole match rather than just being worn down by volt switch spam or something. Has anyone else realised munchlax has really good physical bulk? That HP works wonders.
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    Rest Talk was originally in this analysis but was taken out for a few reasons. Notably, this metagame is too fast paced for something with very little way of dealing with physical threats to be sleeping for two turns. You said it has good physical bulk, but not when Scraggy's at +2 / +2. It can't check special attackers the whole match even, as even variants of Misdreavus (which is why I originally started using RT Munch, to beat Missy), can beat it if they pack WoW (force the Rest) and Nasty Plot (get two of them free basically while it's asleep). I'm not adamantly against it as blarajan is, however, so at least it needs to be given a mention in OO (hint @ sir: it isn't mentioned right now).
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    sorry. super busy lately. ill add restTalk and try to get this written today.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Munchlax is a force to be reckoned with in Little Cup. It has a high Attack stat, great Special Defense, an impeccable HP stat, and it's incredibly cute to top it all off. Sprinkle on an incredible movepool and you have a Pokemon that's ready to take on many of Little Cup's hardest hitting special attackers like Snover and Misdreavus. However, this obese cutie is not without its faults. Normal typing is a mixed bag in Little Cup; on the one hand, Munchlax is immune to Shadow Ball, an extremely common attack in LC; on the other hand, however, LC is filled with tons of Fighting-types, most of which can take out Munchlax with ease. Don't let these faults deter you from using Munchlax as it can prove to be an incredible asset to your team with the right support.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Tank
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Fire Punch
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Pursuit / Focus Punch
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Say hello to Munchlax's most dangerous set. With max Attack investment and an Adamant nature, Return is going to be doing serious damage to most Pokemon that don't resist it. Fire Punch hits Steel-types super effectively and is capable of OHKOing Ferroseed and 2HKOing Bronzor. Earthquake hits Chinchou and Ponyta incredibly hard, 2HKOing and even OHKOing the aforementioned Pokemon, depending on what EV spread they run. The final moveslot should be tailored towards your teams' needs. Pursuit can be used for a likely OHKO on Misdreavus if it's switching out and has taken Stealth Rock damage. On the other hand, Focus Punch is great for OHKOing an overconfident Scraggy that might switch into Munchax.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread takes full advantage of Munchlax's stat distribution. An Adamant nature and maximum Attack investment are necessary to ensure that Munchlax 2HKOes most Pokemon with the appropriate coverage move. 236 Special Defense EVs ensure that Munchlax retains excellent special bulk in order to hard counter Snover, Misdreavus, and even Gastly. The rest of the EVs are dumped into Defense to ensure that Munchlax is able to take some physical attacks. Speaking of physical attacks, Munchlax's ability, Thick Fat, allows it to check Larvesta and Ponyta despite Munchlax's mediocre Defense stat. Eviolite is needed to ensure that Munchlax can take hits throughout the course of the battle.</p>

    <p>As a Normal-type in a tier plagued with Fighting-types, Munchlax certainly needs partners that can defeat the likes of Mienfoo, Timburr, and other powerful Fighting-types. Misdreavus makes for an excellent Mienfoo switch-in, as it is capable of burning the aforementioned Fighting-type with Will-O-Wisp and set up Nasty Plots while fearing only the rare Payback. Otherwise, it can just take it out with Shadow Ball. Larvesta resists Fighting-type moves, can burn Fighting-types with Flame Body, and do hefty damage with a STAB Flareblitz. More defensive partners include Shelmet, who can defeat all Fighting-types lacking Stone Edge and can also set-up Spikes, Tentacool, who can set up Toxic Spikes, and Hippopotas, who can shuffle with Yawn, set up Stealth Rock, and support your team with a permanent sandstorm.</p>

    <p>Munchlax is a Pokemon with a huge movepool and has some other viable options. Body Slam is a weaker alternative to Return but it has a big upside: a 30% chance of paralysing the opponent. Seed Bomb is useful for taking down Tirtouga, one of the only Pokemon that has nothing to fear from Munchlax; Seed Bomb is also useful for hitting Frillish. Finally, Rock Slide is useful for hitting Larvesta.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As previously mentioned, Munchlax has a ton of cool options. Stockpile is an interesting option, but in a fast-paced metagame like Little Cup, it's hard for a Normal-type to make full use of the move. Whirlwind is useful on more defensive teams as Munchlax forces switches with ease. Toxic can be used to cripple bulky Water-types, especially Jellicent, but Munchlax 2HKOs most of them anyway so stick to Return. Munchlax also has access to Sunny Day and Rain Dance; however, these moves should be utilized on weather teams looking for the right weather supporter.</p>

    <p>Munchlax also has some cool sets it can run. A Substitute and Focus Punch set is an interesting option for putting huge dents into nearly anything that switches into Munchlax, namely Lileep, one of Munchlax's best checks. A RestTalk set can be used, but a fast-paced metagame like Little Cup doesn't make such a passive strategy incredibly viable. A Curse set is feasible for boosting Munchlax's mediocre Defense and incredible Attack stats, and gives Munchlax greater sweeping potential. Finally, an Oran Berry and Recycle set gives Munchlax great longevity, but remember that Munchlax won't be taking hits incredibly well without Eviolite.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Like all Normal-types in Little Cup, Munchlax fears Fighting-types. Mienfoo can take a Return from Munchlax, OHKO it with Hi Jump Kick, get rid of Munchlax's Eviolite with Knock Off, or maintain momentum by forcing a switch with U-turn. Then, Mienfoo can gain HP back simply by switching out thanks to its Regenerator ability. Scraggy can switch into any of Munchlax's common moves apart from Focus Punch and Dragon Dance on the switch, or simply take it out with Hi Jump Kick. Timburr can set up with Bulk Up and take down Munchlax with Drain Punch, whilst recovering any HP lost. Lileep is one of the best defensive counters to Munchlax as it has access to reliable recovery and great defenses. Similarly, Slowpoke and Frillish can take on Munchlax if it lacks the rare Seed Bomb.</p>


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    [Overview]

    <p>Munchlax is a force to be reckoned with in Little Cup. It has a high Attack stat, great Special Defense, an impeccable HP stat, and it's incredibly cute to top it all off. Sprinkle on an incredible movepool and you have a Pokemon that's ready to take on many of Little Cup's hardest hitting special attackers like Snover and Misdreavus. However, this obese cutie is not without its faults. Normal typing is a mixed bag in Little Cup; on the one hand, Munchlax is immune to Shadow Ball, an extremely common attack in LC; on the other hand, however, LC is filled with tons of Fighting-types, most of which can take out Munchlax with ease. Don't let these faults deter you from using Munchlax as it can prove to be an incredible asset to your team with the right support.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Tank
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Fire Punch
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Pursuit / Focus Punch
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Say hello to Munchlax's most dangerous set. With max Attack investment and an Adamant nature, Return is going to be doing serious damage to most Pokemon that don't resist it. Fire Punch hits Steel-types super effectively and is capable of OHKOing Ferroseed and 2HKOing Bronzor. Earthquake hits Chinchou and Ponyta incredibly hard, 2HKOing and even OHKOing the aforementioned Pokemon, depending on what EV spread they run. The final moveslot should be tailored towards your teams' needs. Pursuit can be used for a likely OHKO on Misdreavus if it's switching out and has taken Stealth Rock damage. On the other hand, Focus Punch is great for OHKOing an overconfident Scraggy that might switch into Munchax.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread takes full advantage of Munchlax's stat distribution. An Adamant nature and maximum Attack investment are necessary to ensure that Munchlax 2HKOes most Pokemon with the appropriate coverage move. 236 Special Defense EVs ensure that Munchlax retains excellent special bulk in order to hard counter Snover, Misdreavus, and even Gastly. The rest of the EVs are dumped into Defense to ensure that Munchlax is able to take some physical attacks. Speaking of physical attacks, Munchlax's ability, Thick Fat, allows it to check Larvesta and Ponyta despite Munchlax's mediocre Defense stat. However, Eviolite is needed to ensure that Munchlax can take hits throughout the course of the battle.</p>

    <p>As a Normal-type in a tier plagued with Fighting-types, Munchlax certainly needs partners that can defeat the likes of Mienfoo, Timburr, and other powerful Fighting-types. Misdreavus makes for an excellent Mienfoo switch-in, as it is capable of burning the aforementioned Fighting-type it (it just sounds like filler words to me. You can keep it if you want)with Will-O-Wisp and proceed to set up set up Nasty Plots while fearing only the rare Payback. Otherwise, it can just take it Meinfoo out with Shadow Ball. Another good partner is Larvesta, as it resists Fighting-type moves, can burn Fighting-types with Flame Body, and do hefty damage with a STAB Flareblitz. More defensive partners include Shelmet, who can defeat all Fighting-types lacking Stone Edge and can also set-up Spikes, Tentacool, who can set up Toxic Spikes, and Hippopotas, who can shuffle with Yawn, set up Stealth Rock, and support your team with a permanent sandstorm.</p>

    <p>Munchlax is a Pokemon with a huge movepool and has some other viable options. Body Slam is a weaker alternative to Return but it has a big upside: a 30% chance of paralyszing the opponent. Seed Bomb is useful for taking down Tirtouga, one of the only Pokemon that has nothing to fear from Munchlax; Seed Bomb is also useful for hitting Frillish. Finally, Rock Slide is useful for hitting Larvesta.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As previously mentioned, Munchlax has a ton of cool options. Stockpile is an interesting option, but in a fast-paced metagame like Little Cup, it's hard for a Normal-type to make full use of the move. Whirlwind is useful on more defensive teams as Munchlax forces switches with ease. Toxic can be used to cripple bulky Water-types, especially Jellicent, but Munchlax 2HKOes most of them anyway, <add comma> so stick to with Return. Munchlax also has access to Sunny Day and Rain Dance; however, these moves should be utilized on weather teams looking for the right weather supporter.</p>

    <p>Munchlax also has some cool sets it can run. A Substitute and Focus Punch set is an interesting option for putting huge dents into nearly anything that switches into Munchlax, namely Lileep, one of Munchlax's best checks. A RestTalk set can be used, but a fast-paced metagame like Little Cup doesn't make such a passive strategy incredibly viable. A Curse set is feasible for boosting Munchlax's mediocre Defense and incredible Attack stats, and gives Munchlax greater sweeping potential. Finally, an Oran Berry and Recycle set gives Munchlax great longevity, but remember take note that Munchlax won't be taking hits incredibly well without Eviolite.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Like all Normal-types in Little Cup, Munchlax fears Fighting-types. Mienfoo can take a Return from Munchlax, OHKO it with Hi Jump Kick, get rid of Munchlax's Eviolite with Knock Off, or maintain momentum by forcing a switch with U-turn. Then, Mienfoo can gain HP back simply by switching out thanks to its Regenerator ability. Scraggy can switch into any of Munchlax's common moves apart from Focus Punch and Dragon Dance on the switch, or simply take it out with Hi Jump Kick. Timburr can set up with Bulk Up and take down Munchlax with Drain Punch, whilst recovering any HP lost. Lileep is one of the best defensive counters to Munchlax as it has access to reliable recovery and great defenses. Similarly, Slowpoke and Frillish can take on Munchlax if it lacks the rare Seed Bomb.</p>


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