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New DPP Tier Lists

Discussion in 'Pokémetrics' started by X-Act, Apr 6, 2009.

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  1. X-Act

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    The second quarter of 2009 sees, as usual, the updating of the tier lists. However, this quarter sees a major difference: the first official DP UU List!

    First of all, the OU List. It is almost exactly the same as its predecessor, except for two Pokemon:
    • Smeargle is now OU
    • Yanmega is now UU
    This means that, from now on, Smeargle is banned from UU but Yanmega is allowed in UU (unless it becomes a Suspect, which is something that isn't at my discretion).

    The OU list is thus:

    Code:
    Aerodactyl
    Alakazam
    Azelf
    Blissey
    Breloom
    Bronzong
    Celebi
    Cresselia
    Donphan
    Dragonite
    Dugtrio
    Dusknoir
    Electivire
    Empoleon
    Flygon
    Forretress
    Gengar
    Gliscor
    Gyarados
    Heatran
    Heracross
    Hippowdon
    Infernape
    Jirachi
    Jolteon
    Kingdra
    Latias
    Lucario
    Machamp
    Magnezone
    Mamoswine
    Metagross
    Ninjask
    Porygon-Z
    Rhyperior
    Rotom-A
    Salamence
    Scizor
    Skarmory
    Smeargle
    Snorlax
    Starmie
    Suicune
    Swampert
    Tentacruel
    Togekiss
    Tyranitar
    Vaporeon
    Weavile
    Zapdos
    (50 Pokemon)
    Now, behold the very first official Smogon UU list:

    Code:
    Absol
    Altaria
    Ambipom
    Arcanine
    Azumarill
    Blastoise
    Blaziken
    Chansey
    Charizard
    Claydol
    Clefable
    Drapion
    Electrode
    Espeon
    Feraligatr
    Gardevoir
    Hariyama
    Hitmonlee
    Hitmontop
    Honchkrow
    Houndoom
    Kabutops
    Lanturn
    Ludicolo
    Magmortar
    Mesprit
    Milotic
    Miltank
    Mismagius
    Moltres
    Muk
    Nidoking
    Nidoqueen
    Ninetales
    Omastar
    Poliwrath
    Porygon2
    Primeape
    Regirock
    Registeel
    Roserade
    Rotom
    Sceptile
    Scyther
    Shaymin
    Slowbro
    Spiritomb
    Steelix
    Swellow
    Torterra
    Toxicroak
    Typhlosion
    Umbreon
    Uxie
    Venusaur
    Yanmega
    Weezing
    (57 Pokemon)
    Yeah, there are some surprises here, and there are also a lot of Pokemon that surprisingly AREN'T here. I'll leave the fun of discovering them up to you!
  2. panamaxis

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    thanks for the hard work X-Act, needless to say yanmega will be on my next UU team.
  3. Solidus

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    I thank you, X-Act. I'm not really surprised by the list though.
  4. KnightoftheWind

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    Excellent job X-Act! I'll be sure to take these new lists into account.
  5. Chou Toshio

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    Thanks again X-Act! Huh, maybe Porygon 2 will be heading up to OU (eeked out 1 rank above Yanmega this last month), even though it kind of sucks in UU compared to how it does in OU.
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    Well, can't say this is incredibly surprising, Smeargle is one of the most versatile Pokemon in the game and Yanmega has been on the decline since Platinum. Will have to check out the UU list at some point.
  7. zocho

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    cool! yanmega is a pretty good pokeyman. it'll be fun tearing shit up in uu

    also, question. if a poke isnt on either list, what does that mean? for example: hitmonchan, regice
  8. Thorns

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    brb getting yanmega banned
  9. Chou Toshio

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    Also, my new NU Team:

    Jumpluff (setting up sun), Scarf-Eruption Entei, Mix-sweep Manectric (with overheat, lol), Exeggcutor, Camerupt and Scarf-Rampardos.

    I might also have to try a rain team with bulk-floatzel, Spikes/explosion quilfish and Gorebyss.

    edit: Fucking A!! Gligar can be used in NU!! Mr. Mime too!! Time for Double-Screen Kadabra --> Gligar-Kingler rape in NU!!
  10. zarator

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    Code:
    Aggron
    Ampharos
    Arbok
    Ariados
    Armaldo
    Articuno
    Banette
    Bastiodon
    Beautifly
    Beedrill
    Bellossom
    Bibarel
    Butterfree
    Cacturne
    Camerupt
    Carnivine
    Castform
    Chatot
    Cherrim
    Chimecho
    Cloyster
    Corsola
    Cradily
    Crawdaunt
    Delcatty
    Delibird
    Dewgong
    Ditto
    Dodrio
    Drifblim
    Dunsparce
    Dustox
    Entei
    Exeggutor
    Exploud
    Farfetch'd
    Fearow
    Flareon
    Floatzel
    Furret
    Gastrodon
    Girafarig
    Glaceon
    Glalie
    Golduck
    Golem
    Gorebyss
    Granbull
    Grumpig
    Hitmonchan
    Huntail
    Hypno
    Illumise
    Jumpluff
    Jynx
    Kangaskhan
    Kecleon
    Kingler
    Kricketune
    Lapras
    Leafeon
    Ledian
    Lickilicky
    Linoone
    Lopunny
    Lumineon
    Lunatone
    Luvdisc
    Luxray
    Magcargo
    Manectric
    Mantine
    Marowak
    Masquerain
    Mawile
    Medicham
    Meganium
    Mightyena
    Minun
    Mothim
    Mr.Mime
    Noctowl
    Octillery
    Pachirisu
    Parasect
    Pelipper
    Persian
    Phione
    Pidgeot
    Pinsir
    Plusle
    Politoed
    Probopass
    Purugly
    Quagsire
    Qwilfish
    Raichu
    Rampardos
    Rapidash
    Raticate
    Regice
    Relicanth
    Sableye
    Sandslash
    Seaking
    Seviper
    Sharpedo
    Shedinja
    Shiftry
    Shuckle
    Skuntank
    Slaking
    Slowking
    Solrock
    Spinda
    Stantler
    Sudowoodo
    Sunflora
    Swalot
    Tangrowth
    Tauros
    Torkoal
    Tropius
    Unown
    Ursaring
    Venomoth
    Vespiquen
    Victreebel
    Vileplume
    Volbeat
    Wailord
    Walrein
    Whiscash
    Wigglytuff
    Womadam (all forms)
    Xatu
    Zangoose
    
    These are all the fully evolved Pokémon which didnt make to the UU list. I'll add some comments later
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    If a Pokemon isn't on either list, it's NU. So yes, Regice is NU. To be fair though, Chansey is the better special wall in UU, and Blissey is the better special wall in OU. Happiny, is most certainly not a good special wall though, so Regice needn't worry in NU. :)

    So yes, you can start playing NU now, although there isn't a ladder, so I don't see much point. It certainly looks like an interesting tier though.

    Oh, and Rhydon was THAT close to being UU!
  12. Dr. Eyepatch

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    So... if a pokémon did not make it on either list (besides the Ubers), are they NU or BL? Or, a better question, is it possible the missing ones are BL?

    I am curious as to the position of Gastrodon.
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    About the (supposedly) NU list, there areally are a lot of good guys to play with. Articuno, Dodrio, Drifblim, Entei, Floatzel, Lapras, Leafeon, Lickilicky, Marowak, Medicham, Pinsir, Regice, Tangrowth, Tauros and Walrein will all be very fun to use (so far these are what hit me the most)
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    I just thought of something. Should Rhydon be promoted to UU?
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    Gastrodon is NU. There currently are no BL pokemon, though we have 6 up for BL nomination.

    edit: Looking at the list (thanks Zarator), there are a LOT of pokemon who were "formerly BL" who are now in NU (Ramparados, Entei, Pinser, etc. etc.), while most of the good "formerly UU" pokes are still UU (Clefable, Steelix, [Scyther!? really??]).

    That just serves to make me think even more that "old UU" was really screwed up. xD
  16. Dr. Eyepatch

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    Ah, I see, I see... So, we are currently working on the first official BL list or, dare I say, tier? It is unusual to see pokémon such as Medicham, Pinsir, and Tauros NU.
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    Pretty much what my thoughts were. Apparently, we didn't understand at the beginning how deep was the difference between Adv and DP in the UU balance.
    However, I think this will improve NU too. Adv NU was - forgive me if i offend in any way your feelings^^ - a "game of losers" (the losers being the Pokémon, not the players ofc). Really, they coolness value may be a lot, but I hate when I have to resort to Chimecho for walling and to Castform for sweeping.
  18. X-Act

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    Rhydon shouldn't be promoted to UU. Its usage was a few points outside the UU cutoff though.

    Surprised by Medicham, honestly. Judging by the February and January stats alone, it would have been solidly UU. However, its use declined so much in March that it didn't even make it to UU.

    Also Porygon2 was exactly the last Pokemon that made the cut-off point in UU... and was also the exact first Pokemon that didn't make the cut-off point in OU!
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    yeah p2 is a pretty common sight these days, being a pretty reliable counter to the oversaturated gyarados in ou, and can work as a mence counter in a pinch as well.

    and i am surprised by inclusion of electivire, barely see his ugly mug ever
    same with donphan
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    Can somebody explain me why marowak, venomoth, pinsir, medicham and tauros are NU?
    Yanmega UU?
    It just makes no sense
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    It makes perfect sense to me! Those Pokemon didn't get enough usage to be OU, so they were put in UU. Then, they didn't get enough usage to be in the 'OU of UU', so they were NU.

    And if, say, Tangrowth, or Regice, or Rhydon, or whataver, doesn't get enough usage to be in the 'OU of NU', then they'll be in the usage tier below it.

    It may seem weird that something like Regice is in a tier that we previously associated with Pokemon like Delibird, but we've got to get over those associations. The tiers used to be a lot of educated guesswork, which was very flawed, they are now, however, calculated through the use of statistical manipulation of data, which is somewhat less flawed.

    If people are seriously that troubled, we can just call the new tier 'UU2', or 'RU' or something, but it makes no difference whatsoever to the competitive battling.

    And, there's no need for people to worry about Pokemon like Medicham being in the tier. Remember, they can still be banned if needs be, and you can always popularize the Pokemon in UU if you're that desperate for it to go.
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    God damn it Donphan!
    God damn it Donphan!
    God damn it Donphan!
    God damn it Donphan!
    God damn it Donphan!
    God damn it Donphan!
    God damn it Donphan!
    God damn it Donphan!
    God damn it Donphan! ;_;

    Thanks a bundle X-Act. Gonna go bang my head on a wall a few times.

    Also, pretty cool to see Smeargle make OU (again?). It's really not a bad pokemon.
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    I for one would like to see the run-off tier from whatever didn't get the UU cut to get a better name than NU, what with historical associations...RU would probably be the best.

    140 pokemon...and a lot of cool ones, too, like my favorite, Medicham.
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    I agree. I mean, I can see the logic behind the process, but I don't think a pokémon like Yanmega should be made UU without a previous test. Nobody uses normal Deoxys in Ubers, should it go to OU?

    What if everybody stopped using Scizor? Would it be UU until voted otherwise?

    If something like Froslass is currently a Suspect, I don't understand how Yanmega is being allowed.
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    You are not understanding how things work. First of all, Ubers is not a tier, it is a ban list. Secondly, OU is not doing suspect tests the way UU is doing them, so again, that points is moot. Thirdly, because of the current way we are testing UU, yes if everyone stopped using Scizor, it would be UU until proven it breaks the teir.
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