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Nidoqueen [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

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  1. Someoneelse

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    [Overview]

    <p>Nidoqueen is generally regarded as a more defensively oriented Pokemon, and with many new toys that it Possibly change all of these to she received this generation, it can perform that job better than ever. While overlooked in the times on DPPt, Nidoqueen was blessed with the ability Sheer Force in from the Dream World to power up many of her attacks to higher levels, even without investment. The Queen also boasts a decent defensive typing with key resistances to Fighting-, Grass-, Doesn't resist, neutral Bug-, and Rock-types; furthermore, she has immunity to Electric-types. In addition, Nidoqueen is not affected by Thunder Wave or Toxic, and she can absorb Toxic Spikes on her own. With a good movepool with support, phaszing, and offensive moves, Nidoqueen has quite a few options to choose from that can support your team’s needs. Nidoqueen, through the transition to BW2, became one of the most reliable Stealth Rock setters in UU because almost nothing can spin on it. Blastoise is 2HKOed by Earth Power or Sludge Wave and fails to OHKO with Scald. Hitmontop is 2HKOed by both attacks as well. Xatu does not ever want to switch in because even defensive variants will not enjoy taking Ice Beam. Even Cryogonal is one hit OHKOed by Fire Blast or Focus Blast and it cannot OHKO with Ice Beam, unless it's offensive. Sadly, Nidoqueen is not without its flaws. A base 76 speed is average at best and a weakness to Ground-types often can hold Nidoqueen back vs. faster threats. Not to mention, in the fully offensive role, Nidoqueen is always outclassed by its older brother, Nidoking, who boasts Sheer Force and higher offensive stats. To boot, Nidoqueen has no reliable recovery outside of Rest, Black Sludge, or Leftovers. Despite these drawbacks, Nidoqueen is a threat that should not be overlooked, and if you are looking for a solid Defensive Poison-type to set up Stealth Rocks or wreck some havoc as a bulky attacker, why not give Nidoqueen a chance?</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive
    move 1: Earth Power
    move 2: Fire Blast
    move 3: Ice Beam / Focus Blast / Sludge Wave
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Sheer Force
    nature: Modest
    evs: 100 HP / 252 SpA / 156 Spe
    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With this set, Nidoqueen becomes an offensive force to be reckoned with while still having enough bulk to be a good check to check Fighting-type and Bug-type Pokemon in the tier. Thanks to Sheer Force, Life Orb recoil is canceled, effectively giving Nidoqueen a x1.6 boost to her attacks in exchange for secondary effects. Earth Power is usually Nidoqueen’s most reliable STAB, as it can OHKO Pokemon such as Darmanitan, Victini, Chandelure, Rhyperior, and Cobalion. Fire Blast is necessary to get past the likes of Bronziong who would otherwise wall this set. Next, Ice Beam catches Pokemon like Flygon, Zapdos, Gligar, and Claydol off guard, but Focus Blast also can hit some other targets hard, namely Umbreon, Snorlax, and Clefable. However, be mindful of Focus Blast’s low accuracy. Sludge Wave also can hit a lot for neutral damage with its STAB despite the poor coverage. Lastly, Nidoqueen could set up Stealth Rock; however, if your team already has a Stealth Rock user, Focus Blast should be put there. </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p> The EVs on this set are pretty self-explanatory. They allow Nidoqueen to reach 227 speed, outrunning Xatu, Roserade, most Togekiss, and defensive Arcanine, while Nidoqueen can hit with a Super Effective move. Life Orb is the only item to be used on this set because it provides great offensive power at no cost to Nidoqueen. Modest nature is always best for this set, if you even considered running Timid nature, use Nidoking instead. </p>


    <p> This set enjoys some team support and type synergy with teammates. Brongzong is a great partner for Nidoqueen because they both have good synergy with each other. Thanks to Brongzong’s Levitate and good defenses, Bronzong can take on Krookidile's Earthquakes or Crunches, Flygon Choice Locked into Earthquake or Outrage (watch out for Fire Punch!), and it also can take on Weavile. Like Bronzong, Pokemon such as Umbreon and Calm Defensive Porygon2 are great partners because they can switch out on a Fighting-type and Nidoqueen can switch in. Snorlax is also great for team support as it can take hits from special attackers such as Zapdos, Rotom-H, and Chandelure, while maintaining offensive pressure and it has the ability to set up Curses. Wish support is always welcomed for Nidoqueen, as she does not have a reliable recovery, especially without Black Sludge. Togekiss and Umbreon are decent Wish users in the tier. Especially if you don’t run Stealth Rock, Nidoqueen appreciates entry hazards, so any other support like such is welcomed.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Defensive
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earth Power
    move 3: Fire Blast / Ice Beam
    move 4: Dragon Tail / Roar
    item: Black Sludge
    ability: Sheer Force
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p> With this set, Nidoqueen looks to be one of the best counters to Fighting-type and Bug-type Pokemon in the tier. Stealth Rock is the main move on the set and as a defensive Pokemon, Nidoqueen sets them up well. Even without investment, Earth Power is usually Nidoqueen’s most reliable STAB, it can hit other Pokemon pretty hard thanks to Sheer Force. Fire Blast is necessary to put a dent into Bronziong, who would otherwise wall this set. As another option, Ice Beam hits Flying-types and Ground-types such as Flygon, Zapdos, Gligar, and Claydol off guard. The choice depends on your team needs and what Pokemon your team struggles with more. In the last slot, Dragon Tail is usually better for Nidoqueen, as it can do some decent damage to Flygon who think that they can get a free switch in. If you are really afraid of Substitute users like Mismagius, go for Roar.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p> The EVs on this set are defensively oriented but with a little bit of Speed. These Speed EVs allow Nidoqueen to outspeed defensive Blastoise. Furthermore, don’t ever consider running Relaxed nature in conjunction with Dragon Tail, as the power drop is not worth being slower than Blastoise. Bold nature increases your defense without dropping speed, so that is always the best choice. Black Sludge is the best choice for an item most of the time, but if you are really afraid of Trick, you can use Leftovers. </p>


    <p>Like the previous set, this set appreciates team support and type synergy with teammates. Brongzong is a great partner for Nidoqueen due to their synergy. Brongzong has Levitate and good defenses, so it can take on Krookidile, Flygon Choice Locked into Earthquake or Outrage (watch out for Fire Punch!), and it also can take on Weavile. Umbreon and Calm Defensive Porygon2 are also great partners because they can switch out on a Fighting-type and Nidoqueen can switch in. With great special bulk, Snorlax also can switch out from Fighting-type moves and take special hits from special attackers such as Zapdos, Rotom-H, and Chandelure. Snorlax also has the ability to set up Curses to keep up offensive pressure. Wish support is always welcomed for Nidoqueen, as she does not have a reliable recovery, even with the Black Sludge. Togekiss and Umbreon are decent Wish users in the tier. </p>


    [Other Options]

    <p>Nidoqueen does have a few other options avalible. Thunderbolt can deal with bulky waters better, but generally Nidoqueen hits them hard enough with Earth Power or Sludge Wave. Super Fang gets an interesting note on the Defensive set, as she could become a wall that can stall break, which is pretty cool, but it also has a hard time finding a move slot. Nidoqueen also has a great physical movepool, including the Elemental Punches from BW2, but generally Sheer Force boosted special attacks are more powerful. Nidoqueen could also run an effective Toxic Spikes set with similar EVs to the Defensive set, but the abundance of Poison-types makes this not as reliable.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>In general, Nidoqueen has a difficult time with Pokemon with Earthquake, such as Rhyperior or Flygon, but such Pokemon must also watch out for Earth Power or Ice Beam respectively. Bulky waters like Milotic wall Nidoqueen while being able to strike with a Scald or Hydro Pump. Suicune is similar to Milotic and can set up Calm Minds when Nidoqueen switches. Rotom-H can use Trick, HP Ice, or Overheat to take out or disable Nidoqueen accordingly and can take Earth Power, Ice Beam, or Fire Blast. Weavile is able to hit Nidoqueen with a STAB Ice Punch, but it must watch out for Fire Blast. Snorlax also counters Nidoqueen fairly well and can Curse or hit back with Earthquake. Even Porygon2 tanks Nidoqueen's Special Attacks, including Focus Blast, and can Trace Sheer Force. This will provide Porygon2 a KO with Ice Beam. It can also use Recover and it other things hard with Sheer Force. Finally, other hard hitting Special Attackers generally will bring Nidoqueen into at least yellow health with a neutral hit. </p>
  2. CrobatFTW

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    Thanks for the check, I implemented everything. I agreed with your comments.

    I also love how I spelled Bronzong 3 different ways :D - fail on my part.
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    Overview
    • With a good movepool with support, phazing, and offensive moves, Nidoqueen has quite a few options to choose from that can support your team's needs.

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    Set Comments
    • Thanks to Sheer Force, Life Orb recoil is canceled, effectively giving Nidoqueen a x1.6x boost to her attacks in exchange for with no secondary effects.
    • However, be mindful of Focus Blast's low accuracy.

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    Additional Comments
    • <no space>The EVs on this set are pretty self-explanatory. T; (semi) they allow Nidoqueen to reach 227 sSpeed, outrunning Xatu, Roserade, most Togekiss, and defensive Arcanine, while Nidoqueen can hit with a Ssuper Eeffective move.
    • Modest nature is always best for this set,; (semi) if you even considered running Timid nature, use Nidoking instead.
    • Thanks to Bronzong's Levitate and good defenses, Bronzong can take on Krookidile's Earthquakes or Crunches, Flygon Choice Locked into Earthquake or Outrage (watch out for Fire Punch!), and it also can take on Weavile.
    • Snorlax is also great for team support as it can take hits from special attackers such as Zapdos, Rotom-H, and Chandelure, while maintaining offensive pressure and it has the ability to set up multiple Curses.
    • Especially iIf you don’t aren't running Stealth Rock, Nidoqueen appreciates entry hazards, so any other support like such is welcomed.

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    Second Set Comments
    • Stealth Rock is the main move on the set and as a defensive Pokemon, Nidoqueen sets them up well. Even without investment, Earth Power is usually Nidoqueen's most reliable STAB, as it can hit other Pokemon pretty hard thanks to Sheer Force.
    • As another option, Ice Beam hits Flying-types and Ground-types such as Flygon, Zapdos, Gligar, and Claydol off guard.
    • If you are really afraid of Substitute users like Mismagius, go for Roar.</p>

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    Second Set, Additional Comments
    • <remove space>The EVs on this set are make Nidoqueesdefensively oriented, but with also give it a little bit of Speed. T; (semi) these Speed EVs allow Nidoqueen to outspeed defensive Blastoise.
    • Furthermore, don't ever consider running Relaxed nature in conjunction with Dragon Tail, as the power drop is not worth being slower than Blastoise. A Bold nature increases your dDefense without dropping sSpeed, so that is always the best choice. Black Sludge is the best choice for an item most of the time, but if you are really afraid of Trick, you can use Leftovers.<no space></p>
    • Bronzong has Levitate and good defenses, so it can take on Krookidile, Flygon Choice Locked into Earthquake or Outrage (watch out for Fire Punch!), and it also can take on Weavile.
    • Snorlax also has the ability to set up multiple Curses to keep up offensive pressure.

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    Other Options
    • Thunderbolt can deal with bulky waters Water-types better, but generally Nidoqueen generally hits them hard enough with Earth Power or Sludge Wave.
    • Super Fang gets an interesting note on the Defensive set, as she (if you're going to say she here, change it to it, as you've been referring to Nidoqueen as an "it" throughout the analysis. Just be sure to keep it consistent. could become a wall that can break stall break, which is pretty cool, but it also has a hard time finding a move slot.
    • Nidoqueen also has a great physical movepool, including the Eelemental Ppunches from BW2, but generally Sheer Force-boosted special attacks are more powerful.

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    Checks and Counters
    • In general, Nidoqueen has a difficult time with Pokemon with Earthquake, such as Rhyperior or Flygon, but such Pokemon must also watch out for Earth Power or Ice Beam, <comma> respectively
    • Bulky waters Water-types like Milotic wall Nidoqueen while being able to strike with a Scald or Hydro Pump.
    • Rotom-H can use Trick, Hidden Power Ice, or Overheat to take out or disable Nidoqueen accordingly, <comma> and can take Earth Power, Ice Beam, or Fire Blast.
    • Even Porygon2 tanks Nidoqueen's Special Attacks, including Focus Blast, and can Trace Sheer Force. T; (semi) this will provide Porygon2 anOHKO with Ice Beam.
    • It can also use Recover and hit other things hard with Sheer Force. Finally, other hard hitting Sspecial Aattackers generally will bring Nidoqueen into at least yellow health with a neutral hit.

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  4. CrobatFTW

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    I implemented Redew's checks. I'll await one or two more! I'm heading to bed so it will have to be tomorrow.

    edit: whoops, I missed one thing. Just fixed it.
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    One question I'm really not sure of, do the 30% of LO and 30% of SF add up or multiply? So, is it a 1.6x boost or 1.69x? I could try and apply the damage formula myself but I'm lazy :P

    Edit: below: I asked because the damage formula I'm familiar with, from Gen IV, didn't have Sheer Force as an option, but I believe that Choice items didn't multiply at the end, they were applied to the (Sp) Attack of the attacker (not that it's relevant to the subject, anyway); the same happened with Helping Hand, not that I used it. Maybe that's changed, I don't know...
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    To my knowledge, the boosts multiply. All additional "factors" in the end, such as choice band, helping hand, or flash fire, multiplitically stack at the end.
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    Woooo amateur check

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    tags because they were being dumb fsr

    Also keep an eye on consistency re: "her" and "its". You seemed to swap back and forth a bit.
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    Thanks for the AM Check Mikel, all changes (should be) implemented.

    One more GP Check to go.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Nidoqueen is generally regarded as a more defensively oriented Pokemon, and with many new toys that it received this generation, it can perform that job better than ever. While overlooked during the times on DPP, Nidoqueen was blessed with the ability Sheer Force from the Dream World to power up many of its attacks to sky high levels, even without investment. The Queen also boasts a decent defensive typing with key resistances to Fighting-, Bug-, and Rock-type moves; furthermore, it has immunity to Electric-type attacks. In addition, Nidoqueen is not affected by Thunder Wave or Toxic, and it can absorb Toxic Spikes on its own. With a good movepool containing support, phazing, and offensive moves, Nidoqueen has quite a few options to choose from that can support your team's needs. Nidoqueen, through the transition to BW2, became one of the most reliable Stealth Rock setters in UU because few Pokemon can use Rapid Spin against it safely. Blastoise is 2HKOed by Earth Power or Sludge Wave and fails to OHKO with Scald. Hitmontop is 2HKOed by both attacks as well. Xatu does not ever want to switch in because even defensive variants will not enjoy taking Ice Beam. Even Cryogonal is OHKOed by Fire Blast or Focus Blast and it cannot OHKO with Ice Beam, unless it's using an offensive EV spread. Sadly, Nidoqueen is not without its flaws. A Base 76 Speed is average at best and a weakness to Ground-types often can hold Nidoqueen back against faster threats. Not to mention, in the fully offensive role, Nidoqueen is always outclassed by its older brother, Nidoking, which also boasts Sheer Force but has higher offensive stats. To boot, Nidoqueen has no recovery outside of Rest, Black Sludge, or Leftovers. Despite these drawbacks, Nidoqueen is a threat that should not be overlooked, and if you are looking for a solid defensive Poison-type to set up Stealth Rock or wreak some havoc as a bulky attacker, why not give Nidoqueen a chance?</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive
    move 1: Earth Power
    move 2: Fire Blast
    move 3: Ice Beam / Focus Blast / Sludge Wave
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Sheer Force
    nature: Modest
    evs: 100 HP / 252 SpA / 156 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With this set, Nidoqueen becomes an offensive force to be reckoned with while still having enough bulk to be a good check to Fighting- and Bug-type Pokemon in the tier. Thanks to Sheer Force, Life Orb recoil is canceled, effectively giving Nidoqueen a 1.6x boost to her attacks with no secondary effects. Earth Power is usually Nidoqueen's most reliable STAB, as it can OHKO Pokemon such as Darmanitan, Victini, Chandelure, Rhyperior, and Cobalion. Fire Blast is necessary to get past the likes of Bronzong who would otherwise wall this set. Next, Ice Beam catches Pokemon such as Flygon, Zapdos, Gligar, and Claydol off guard, but Focus Blast also can hit some other targets hard, namely Umbreon, Snorlax, and Clefable. However, be mindful of Focus Blast's low accuracy. Sludge Wave also can hit a lot for neutral damage with its STAB despite the poor coverage. Lastly, Nidoqueen can set up Stealth Rock; however, if your team already has a Stealth Rock user, Focus Blast should be put there.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs on this set are pretty self-explanatory; they allow Nidoqueen to reach 227 Speed, outrunning Xatu, Roserade, most Togekiss, and defensive Arcanine. From there and Nidoqueen can easily KO these Pokemon with a super effective move. Life Orb is the only item to be used on this set because it provides great offensive power at no cost to Nidoqueen. Modest nature is always best for this set; if you even considered running Timid nature, use Nidoking instead.</p>

    <p>This set enjoys some team support and type synergy with teammates. Bronzong is a great partner for Nidoqueen because they both have good synergy with each other. Thanks to Bronzong's Levitate and good defenses, Bronzong can take on Krookodile's Earthquakes or Crunches, Flygon Choice-locked into Earthquake or Outrage (watch out for Fire Punch!), and Weavile. Like Bronzong, Pokemon such as Umbreon and Calm defensive Porygon2 are great partners because they can switch out on a Fighting-type and Nidoqueen can switch in. Snorlax is also great for team support as it can take hits from special attackers, such as Zapdos, Rotom-H, and Chandelure, while maintaining offensive pressure and it has the ability to set up multiple Curses. Wish support is always welcome for Nidoqueen as it does not have reliable recovery, especially without Black Sludge; Togekiss and Umbreon are decent Wish users in the tier. If you aren't running Stealth Rock, Nidoqueen appreciates entry hazards, so any other support from Pokemon such as Bronzong and Roserade is welcomed.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Defensive
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earth Power
    move 3: Fire Blast / Ice Beam
    move 4: Dragon Tail / Roar
    item: Black Sludge
    ability: Sheer Force
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With this set, Nidoqueen serves as one of the best counters to Fighting- and Bug-type Pokemon in the tier. Stealth Rock is the main move on the set and as a defensive Pokemon, it sets them up well. Even without investment, Earth Power is usually Nidoqueen's most reliable STAB, as it can hit other Pokemon pretty hard thanks to Sheer Force. Fire Blast is necessary to put a dent into Bronzing, who would otherwise wall this set. As another option, Ice Beam catches Flying- and Ground-types such as Flygon, Zapdos, Gligar, and Claydol off guard. The choice depends on your team's needs and what Pokemon your team struggles with more. In the last slot, Dragon Tail is usually better for Nidoqueen, as it can do some decent damage to Flygon who think that they can get a free switch. If you are really afraid of Substitute users such as Mismagius, go for Roar.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs on this set make Nidoqueen defensively oriented but also give it a little bit of Speed; these Speed EVs allow Nidoqueen to outspeed defensive Blastoise. Furthermore, don't ever consider running a Relaxed nature in conjunction with Dragon Tail, as the power drop is not worth being slower than Blastoise. A Bold nature increases your Defense without dropping Speed, so that is always the best choice. Black Sludge is the best choice for an item most of the time, but if you are really afraid of Trick, you can use Leftovers.</p>

    <p>This set greatly appreciates team support and synergy. As such, Bronzong is a great partner, using Levitate and solid defenses to take on Krookodile and Flygon. Specially bulky walls, such as Umbreon, Porygon2, and Snorlax, can take attacks from Zapdos, Rotom-H, and Chandelure with ease, and can lure in Fighting-type attacks for Nidoqueen. As Nidoqueen has no reliable recovery, Wish support extends its lifespan considerably; Togekiss and Umbreon have good type synergy with Nidoqueen and can reliably pass Wish.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Nidoqueen does have a few other options available. Thunderbolt can deal with bulky Water-types better, but Nidoqueen generally hits them hard enough with Earth Power or Sludge Wave. Super Fang gets an interesting note on the defensive set, as it could become a wall that can break stall, but it also has a hard time finding a moveslot. Nidoqueen also has a great physical movepool, including the elemental punches from BW2, but generally Sheer Force-boosted special attacks are more powerful. Nidoqueen could also run an effective Toxic Spikes set with similar EVs to the defensive set, but the abundance of Poison-types makes this not as reliable.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>In general, Nidoqueen has a difficult time with Pokemon with Earthquake, such as Rhyperior or Flygon, but such Pokemon must also watch out for Earth Power or Ice Beam, respectively. Bulky Water-types, such as Milotic, wall Nidoqueen and are able to strike with Scald or Hydro Pump. Suicune is similar to Milotic and can set up Calm Minds when Nidoqueen switches. Rotom-H can use Trick, Hidden Power Ice, or Overheat to take out or disable Nidoqueen accordingly, and can take Earth Power, Ice Beam, and Fire Blast with impunity. Weavile is able to hit Nidoqueen with a STAB Ice Punch, but it must watch out for Fire Blast. Snorlax also counters Nidoqueen fairly well and can Curse or hit back with Earthquake. Even Porygon2 tanks Nidoqueen's special attacks, including Focus Blast, and can Trace Sheer Force; this will provide Porygon2 an OHKO with Ice Beam. It can also use Recover and hit other things hard with Sheer Force. Finally, other hard hitting special attackers will generally bring Nidoqueen into at least yellow health with a neutral hit.</p>


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  10. CrobatFTW

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    Thanks for the last GP check!!!

    This should be done. If anyone else has any last minute changes, let me know... otherwise it should be ready to upload!
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    I'm not entirely sure, but in the first sentence of the Overview
    shouldn't it say "the" many new toys?

    Also, Nidoqueen is female, but I guess calling her 'it' is still right since she's a Pokemon. I'd still call her a 'she', but that's up to you...
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    I guess the "the" could work. I also chose to use "it". I could have used she but it doesn't really matter.

    Now if anyone objects to adding "the", let me know...

    and let me know if you find anything else, otherwise it is ready for uploading.

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