askaninjask said:
I don't particularly feel that zorbees is clearly the scummiest of all of the active players, why do you think so?
I'm obviously not sure enough on any of the core group of contributors to call them out fully but since I have seen a bunch of people make comments on zorbees' scumminess (#720 and #835 are the two most recent examples), I'm wondering what THEIR reasons are for being quiet on the issue. Unless I'm genuinely stumped I like to come up with my own answers as part of the reasoning process, but I would rather not put words in their mouth.
Essentially, it's a process of elimination thing that leaves Paperblade and zorbees as the final two. Paperblade's dogging of Quagsires, whom for now I am assuming to be scum, makes him look a bit better in my eyes. I can find more evidence on zorbees, but what I posted about him wasn't really so much as to call him out so much (since he is hardly my #1 suspect) as point out there are players that keep coming up but never stay in the spotlight, and so I didn't post a fully blown analysis.
I don't disagree or spot any issues with the rest of what you said and there were no questions embedded, so thank you for your answer.
Blue_Tornado said:
This vote is not Yeti because I anticipate a Quagsires flip eventually (let's face it) and reading her after said flip will be much easier.
Was this not true earlier? Though I appreciate the circumstances with regard to Quagsires' seemingly inevitable death have changed.
loudkirbyking:
1. Whenever anyone who has either been discussed or has been discussing (or both, in Snike's case, though some users felt his activity had something left to be desired), his or her death provides hard information on the relationships they had. Also, we can trust dead townies' reads a bit more -- they aren't necessarily correct, but we know the motivations for posting them were good. I posted my summary in #787, though you are welcome to get the information for yourself, either way there'll be a lot of reading involved ;p
2. I actually meant UncleSam's death and what it means for the users who pushed it, sorry.
6. Eh, it can, actually. A number of voters seem quite assured of Quagsires' scumminess. And since majority is still on Quags, we can talk at least about hypothetically what it would mean for aska and Leethoof if Quagsires flipped scum. (If he flips town they are basically confirmed clean.)
7. That's absolutely a possibility! In that scenario, I believe, rather than let the wagon possibly progress against Yeti or himself, billymills decided to make the Quagsires lynch an almost certainty. I just find it unlikely since there was already movement against Quagsires and not much against billymills, so it would be wasteful.
Considering I already disbelieved Quagsires' claim and have much less reason to disbelieve billy for now, I am operating under the assumption Quagsires is indeed scum and billymills is most likely town. Either way one of them is lying (unless billymills is trying the Orcinus Duo gambit and I'd rather not have my worldview inverted), I believe it was Quagsires, and the scummy!Quagsires' death offers more than billymills' death in terms of information, since he was being hooked anyway by the mafia if he was telling the truth. I don't like this idea that information makes mislynches okay because it's an easy excuse for scum, but I don't believe this is a mislynch at all and since we essentially have to pick between the two (unless you're willing to hedge your bets on priority fuckery, which is Quags' defence), rather Quagsires than billy for now.
Honestly, the list I provided was just to inspire people to get talking again :P Mostly old discussion topics that have been dropped combined with new ones I think are pertinent. Sorry if this post is hard to understand, I'm tired...
