Recruitment item is gay. But I suppose we may have to watch for behavioural changes. It would be interesting if it were me since I subbed in yesterday and then the item was passed. Perhaps they were biding their time to see whom would be ideal to recruit. However, it may also be some kind of safeguarding item. Still think it's worth being alert for town->scum reads and so forth.If the mask is in fact a recruitment item, we may need to worry about who was targeted with it. I think it's most likely someone in the group previously mentioned (aska/zorbees/paperblade/yeti) or possibly jumpluff. I do not see a reason the mafia would just pass it amongst themselves.
Sure! I am not gonna do a post-by-post analysis since you have very many of them, but I have reread them all in order to make this post. Underline is so you notice the important points I am making, un-underlined stuff is my reasoning.Can someone (probably jumpluff) address what makes me scummy in one post so it is easy to find for me?
Sure! I am not gonna do a post-by-post analysis since you have very many of them, but I have reread them all in order to make this post. Underline is so you notice the important points I am making, un-underlined stuff is my reasoning.
zorbees
The most bandied about reason for accusing you is what Paperblade said: you post a lot but don't say much. It makes you go unnoticed somewhat, especially if you don't offer many substantial opinions that can be analysed and discussed, and it also makes you very hard to read. In general you mostly point out flaws in other people's posts and ask questions, making it hard for attention to shift on anything you've said. The latter two behaviours are good but only if you back it up with your own material.
I may not have said as much as billymills, yourself, unclesam, etc, but i believe i have contributed enough. I've given reads on other players, and thoughts on common topics. I suppose I could update these but regarding the common topics end, I generally do better when responding to specific questions then just trying to pick and choose what is important and what isn't. This has the added benefit of making it so that I can avoid the whole "he ignored x so he is buddying x" and all of that random nonsense. I also find it hypocritical that no one is calling Paperblade out for this very same issue, and that Paperblade is getting away with calling me out in a couple of one-sentence posts when he hasn't really posted anything of note.
The problem isn't so much that you are busy so much as you haven't posted as many meaningful opinions of your own as it would appear by your posting volume (I know these posts take time but you are clearly active in the thread and can surely offer a bit more than that?) and I do take issue with some of the ones you have. :/ You claimed to US (#100) that you're not too active and posty in NOC games. You don't need to post tl;drs and I prefer it to you going inactive but as the fifth or sixth (I forget) most prolific contributor to this thread this excuse doesn't hold much water for me.
Not sure how this is a point against me. I'm scummy because rather than not contributing at all, I'm contributing some? I'm honestly trying to help, but I don't always have something to say other than a nitpick, correction, or something of the like.
I found your vote on UncleSam D1 extremely scummy, and I saw your RVSing as pretty unhelpful despite your attempts to justify it as such, since you didn't provide any reasoning so why would an inactive come out, not to mention there was already discussion going, and you didn't provide a replacement for it either. I also took issue with your opinion on announcer and the difference of opinion isn't why I'm concerned (will explain soon).
I don't get why RVS votes have to be explained; this isn't a beginner game, people should be familiar with how NOC works by now. My vote on Sam d1 was basically the same reason as billymills' jump on my vote: I wanted to see if anyone would try to sneak onto the bandwagon. I'd stated numerous times before Cereza's death that I thought US/Cereza was town, so this goes in line with the reasoning for my vote on Sam. My reasoning was weak for the vote, but that is because I had a ton of trouble coming up with realistic reasoning for wanting to vote out UncleSam. I will address the announcer issue in the next part as you did.
I don't like informational bandwagons as it's an easy excuse for scum to pass off the effects of a mislynch. I would rather pick the lynch target whose lynch provides more information between two relatively even targets, but that's no replacement for risk analysis and, like I said, it's a simple copout. UncleSam was a significant contributor even if everyone ended up thinking he was scum. Additionally, it was very early for D1 (indefinite length) to start what looked like a wagon to me. You did somewhat address these points but I didn't find your defence of them really valid.
Basically addressed in the previous paragraph. I know it was early in D1 but (and I know someone is going to call me out for WIFOM on this) do you really think I would try to lead a lynch on Sam (if I was mafia) that incredibly early? It'd be an incredibly stupid move.
The announcer thing was because you seemed way too relaxed about the announcer dying. The announcer isn't important, no, but comments like that come across as coaxing them to come out saying their death doesn't really matter. It wouldn't matter to an experienced player but someone new like, oh, Lady Salamence (who ended up ignoring everyone but US anyway so it didn't end up mattering) could easily interpret something subtle in that post as 'it's okay for me to come out since announcer's role doesn't matter'. Better the announcer than any other PR but I didn't like how your post read to me at least.
I didn't want the announcer to come out, I believe I addressed that in a later post, but if I didn't, that was just a simple mistake that I overlooked. This should be a very minor point anyways in my opinion, people thought Sam was mafia because of the announcer thing, and look how that turned out.
You have posted some useful things and points I agree with (#103, #154, #172, #352, #388 are some good examples), but in general most everything else you posted was either null (mostly) or scum read for me, with a few pro-town posts I liked such as, and I don't like such a null-scum lean since it makes me feel like you are trying to hide. Your willingness to respond to me is helpful though. I admit am especially interested in drawing you out of your shell because of your involvement in the Cereza lynch and would like to see you address it as best as possible. I'd be more interested in what you've learned from Cereza's flip than a defence of it though, because you were very assured of Cereza's alliance and thus I assume her flip means you have to reevaluate your opinions, and no doubt some of these would be interesting :O
I don't really understand what this paragraph is trying to say, are you saying that I had though Cereza was scum prior to her lynch? If so, that is 100% blatantly false. The only reason I voted for her, as stated, was because I really didn't want another tie. I do think there is something to be learned from Cereza/Sam's flip, and I think a lot of that is seeing who Sam voted/called out more strongly, and who voted on the Cereza lynch.
Thank you for answering my post.
No problem, I want to help the village win, and myself looking like scum doesn't help us do that. I am aware I probably should contribute more, but so should like 80%ish of the game. Not that that should be an excuse though. Anyways yeah, if you want to respond to this go ahead.
I explained it what the pressure was about. I don't remember actually voting zorbees, and I can't find the post where I supposedly did; I think my vote is still on Rediamond, but I will unvote and re-vote either way because the only intention behind a zorbees vote would be to encourage him to talk, and Rediamond still hasn't come back. I don't think this will mess up Spiffy's votecount?I'm not sure what's up with the zorbees pressure, he seems to be just as village as everyone else. I guess it's mainly pressure.
jumpluff's post seems a bit odd, as zorbees seems to be contributing a lot to the chat. I'm not really sure why she was so quick to vote for him, but zorbees has been contributing very well and he seems to be village.
If Paperblade is not scum, I'd probably lean towards B_T. billymills is clean assuming he is telling the truth (which I think he is), and I don't think Quags would try to "clean" his teammate (aska) after he saw the bodyguard die. I guess this is WIFOM though, but aska has seemed like a good contributor for the most part. Yeti and yourself have seen a lot of increased activity recently (yours because of subbing in obviously), and I don't think either of you would put yourself at the center of attention like you did if you were mafia. B_T is basically process of elimination. I really don't find him too scummy, but he's probably the scummiest of the bunch from my point of view. If not B_T or Paperblade, I'd probably go aska just because my WIFOM might be wrong.@zorbees:
My main problem was that the contributions you have made were D1 and they have since petered out. I will try to think of some more questions if you like, but here is one: 'If Paperblade is not scum, whom would you think is most likely to be scum out of askaninjask/Yeti/billymills/B_T/myself/yourself?'. And here is another: 'Whom would you support for a lynch if it were not for Quagsires?'. As I mentioned above, I did call out Paperblade for it (most recently in #795 where I prodded him to talk), but you're quite right to bring it up.
I am perfectly fine with a Quagsires lynch, though I complained earlier because it killed all discussion.this game sure took a turn for the dead
gonna pull a yeti and ask everyone to post their opinions on likely lynches right now
quagsires has the likelihood thing going against him so i wouldn't mind his lynch, crux needs to be subbed out / lynched, yeti read is pending, did anything else happen today??? seriously