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Noctowl (Revamp) [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Soulgazer, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. Soulgazer

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    [​IMG]
    *insert bad pun here*

    [Overview]

    <p>Noctowl is a decent specially defensive Pokemon, but there isn't much of a reason to choose it over Mandibuzz. It has poor physical bulk&mdash;leaving it prone to getting forced out by many physical attackers&mdash;a poor defensive typing, and unlike Mandibuzz, a movepool that lacks useful tools such as Taunt and Foul Play. Noctowl's only niche is Insomnia, which, together with its great special bulk, allows it to wall most Grass-types with ease, but more often than not, this isn't enought to justify using it over Mandibuzz.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Roost
    move 2: Whirlwind
    move 3: Night Shade / Air Slash
    move 4: Toxic
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Calm
    evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the best set that Noctowl can pull off in NU. Roost is necessary for Noctowl to stick around as it will get worn down quite quickly by Stealth Rock. Whirlwind is important as well, as Noctowl would be setup fodder for multiple Pokemon without it. It also allows Noctowl to wear down the opponent's team when paired with entry hazards. Due to Noctowl's low Special Attack, Night Shade is generally the best way for Noctowl to deal damage as it only leaves Noctowl walled by Normal-types. Air Slash can also be useful as it gives Noctowl a way to hit Normal-types and lets it beat Grass-types more easily. However, keep in mind that Noctowl will then be walled by Steel-types. Finally, Toxic is there to let Noctowl cripple and wear down the opponent's Pokemon.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Magic Coat can be used to prevent Noctowl from getting hit by Taunt or to prevent entry hazard setup, but Noctowl has problems fitting it in as it needs all four of its moves. Reflect is also an interesting option for Noctowl, as it would help it take on physical attacker better, but like Magic Coat, it is hard for Noctowl to find spaces for it.</p>

    <p>Because Noctowl's best way to beat a Pokemon is by wearing it down, Garbodor and physically defensive Roselia are great partners for it as they provides Spikes and Toxic Spikes to wear down the opponent's team even more and can take on physical attackers such as Sawk and Gurdurr for Noctowl thanks to their typing. Piloswine also pairs well with Noctowl, providing Stealth Rock, an immunity to Electric-type attacks, and a resistance to Ice-type attacks thanks to Thick Fat. Finally, Steel-types such as Metang and Klang are good partners for Noctowl as they can deal with the opponent's Rock-type Pokemon.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Despite being an awful Pokemon, Noctowl has access to some interesting support options such as Psych Up, FeatherDance, Psycho Shift, Hypnosis, and Thunder Wave. However, these are only useful in certain situations,and Noctowl can't really afford to ditch one of its standard moves for any of them. Noctowl can also go offensive with its Tinted Lens ability, Heat Wave, Hyper Voice, and Air Slash, but it isn't strong enough to break walls by itself and would need way too much support to work.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Rock-types such as Golem, Regirock, and Carracosta can all easily take a Night Shade and OHKO Noctowl with their STABs. Physical attackers in general are a pain for Noctowl as it has horrible physical bulk, which leaves it 2HKOed by pretty much any decently strong move. Electric-types such as Rotom-S, Eelektross, and Electabuzz can also easily KO Noctowl, only fearing Toxic. Ice-types such as Piloswine and Regice easily beat Noctowl too with their Ice-type STABs. Swellow, Zangoose, and Ursaring are immune to Noctowl's Night Shade, can use Toxic to their advantage to boost their power with Guts or Toxic Boost, and can easily OHKO Noctowl with Facade. Steel-types such as Metang, which is only 4HKOed by Night Shade and can retaliate back with either Meteor Mash or Toxic, can also easily take on Noctowl. Finally, Noctowl is easy to wear down with status as it puts Noctowl on a timer, limiting its survivability.</p>

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    [Overview]
    • Majority of Noctowl's niche is done better by Mandibuzz.
    • Awful physical bulk leaves it prone to get forced out by a lot of physical attacker.
    • Can take on most Grass-types easily with Insomnia and its special bulk.
    • Is there any reasons to use it?

    [SET]
    name:
    move 1: Roost
    move 2: Whirlwind
    move 3: Night Shade / Air Slash
    move 4: Toxic
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Calm
    ability: Insomnia
    evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Roost for recovery.
    • Whirlwind so Noctowl can't be setup fodder.
    • Night Shade is helpful as it lets Noctowl do good damage against anything that isn't a Normal-type.
    • Air Slash is STAB and let Noctowl beat Grass-types more easily (?)
    • Toxic to wear down stuff

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Magic Coat.
    • Reflect.
    • Garbodor and Scolipede.
    • Piloswine.
    • Metang and Klang?
    • *insert partners*

    [Other Options]
    • Psych Up.
    • Featherdance.
    • Psycho Shift.
    • Thunder Wave.
    • Offensive set with Tinted Lens, Heat Wave, and Hyper Voice.
    • Hypnosis.
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Rock-types.
    • Physical attacker in general.
    • Electric-types.
    • Ice-types.
    • Normal-types.
    • Status.
    • more?
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    add psycho shit to oo. hyper voice too i guess
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    OK I added some partners, but this thing is so bad even 5 Pokemon isn't enough support [​IMG]
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    qc 1/3
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    add Featherdance and Reflect to OO as well. They help Noctowl agaisnt physical attackers :)
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    I will write this up as soon as possible, which might be this weekend.
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    add a dual screens mention in OO. Helps support the teak but stuff outclasses it (gardevoir etc)
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    [02:15] <&Soulgazer> !learn noctowl, light screen
    [02:15] <&butt> !learn noctowl, butt screen
    [02:15] <&TIBot> Noctowl can't learn Light Screen.

    Noctowl doesn't learn Light Screen, and Reflect is in AC.
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    oh wow fuck noctowl then
    i could have sworn it learned light screen w/e
  10. Soulgazer

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    Finally got around to write the whole thing.

    This is ready for the third qc check!
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2013
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    Swellow and Zangoose to C&C

    Steels to C&C

    QC 3/3 Soulgazer
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    [Overview]

    <p>Noctowl is a decent specially defensive Pokemon, but there isn't much of a reason to choose it over Mandibuzz. It has poor physical bulk&mdash;leaving it prone to getting forced out by many physical attackers&mdash;a poor defensive typing, and, unlike Mandibuzz, has a movepool that lacks useful moves such as Taunt and Foul Play. Noctowl's only niche is Insomnia, which, together with its great special bulk, allows it to wall most Grass-types with ease, but more often than not, there isn't any reason to use it over Mandibuzz.</p>

    [SET]
    name:
    move 1: Roost
    move 2: Whirlwind
    move 3: Night Shade / Air Slash
    move 4: Toxic
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Calm
    ability: Insomnia
    evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the best set that Noctowl can pull off in NU. Roost is necessary for Noctowl to stick around as it will get worn down quite quickly by Stealth Rock. Whirlwind is important for Noctowl as it would become setup fodder to multiple Pokemon otherwise. It also allows Noctowl to wear down the opponent's team when paired with entry hazards. Due to Noctowl's low Special Attack, Night Shade is the better option for Noctowl as it only leaves Noctowl walled by Normal-types. Air Slash can also be useful over Night Shade as it gives Noctowl a way to hit Normal-types with its STAB and lets Noctowl beat Grass-types more easily. Keep in mind that Noctowl will then be walled by Steel-types. Finally, Toxic is there to let Noctowl cripple and wear down opponent's Pokemon.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Magic Coat can be used to prevent Noctowl from getting hit by Taunt or to prevent entry hazards setup, but Noctowl has problems to fit it in as it needs all four of its moves. Reflect is also an interesting option for Noctowl, (AC) as it would help it take on physical attacker better, but like Magic Coat, it is hard for Noctowl to find spaces for it.</p>

    <p>Since Because Noctowl's best way to beat a Pokemon is by wearing it down, Garbodor and Scolipede are great partners for it as they provides Spikes and Toxic Spikes to wear down the opponent's team even more and can take on physical attackers such as Sawk and Gurdurr for Noctowl thanks to their typing. Piloswine also pairs well with Noctowl, providing Stealth Rock, being immune an immunity to Electric-types, and a resistance resisting Ice-type attacks thanks to Thick Fat. Finally, Steel-types such as Metang and Klang are good partners for Noctowl as they can deal with the opponent's Rock-types Pokemon.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Despise being an awful Pokemon, Noctowl has access to some interesting support options such as Psych Up, Featherdance, Psycho Shift, Hypnosis, and Thunder Wave, but these moves are only useful in certain situations and Noctowl can't really afford to ditch one of its moves. Noctowl can also go offensive with its Tinted Lens ability, Heat Wave, Hyper Voice, and Air Slash, but it isn't strong enough to break walls by itself and would need way too much support to work.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Rock-types such as Golem, Regirock, and Carracosta can all easily take a Night Shade and OHKO Noctowl with their Rock-type STABs. Physical attackers in general are a pain for Noctowl as it has horrible bulk on the physical side, (AC) which leaves it prone to get 2HKOed by pretty much any decently strong move. Electric-types such as Rotom-Spin, Eelektross, and Electabuzz can also easily KO Noctowl, only fearing Toxic. Ice-types such as Piloswine and Jynx easily beats Noctowl too with their Ice-type STABs. Swellow, Zangoose, and Ursaring are immune to Noctowl's Night Shade, can use Toxic to their advantage to boost their power with Guts or Toxic Boost, and can easily OHKO Noctowl with Facade. Steel-types such as Metang can also easily take on Noctowl, as it is only 4HKOed by Night Shade and can retaliate back with either Meteor Mash or Toxic. Finally, Noctowl is easy to wear down with status as it puts Noctowl on a timer, limiting its survivability.</p>

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  13. Soulgazer

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    Implemented everything
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    [Overview]

    <p>Noctowl is a decent specially defensive Pokemon, but there isn't much of a reason to choose it over Mandibuzz. It has poor physical bulk&mdash;leaving it prone to getting forced out by many physical attackers&mdash;a poor defensive typing, and, (remove comma) unlike Mandibuzz, a movepool that lacks useful moves tools (or something else so that you're not repeating move like that) such as Taunt and Foul Play. Noctowl's only niche is Insomnia, which, together with its great special bulk, allows it to wall most Grass-types with ease, but more often than not, there isn't any reason to use this isn't enough to justify using it over Mandibuzz.</p>

    [SET]
    name: (what is the name of the set .-.)
    move 1: Roost
    move 2: Whirlwind
    move 3: Night Shade / Air Slash
    move 4: Toxic
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Calm
    ability: Insomnia
    evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the best set that Noctowl can pull off in NU. Roost is necessary for Noctowl to stick around as it will get worn down quite quickly by Stealth Rock. Whirlwind is important for Noctowl as it as well, as Noctowl would become be setup fodder to for multiple Pokemon otherwise without it. It also allows Noctowl to wear down the opponent's team when paired with entry hazards. Due to Noctowl's low Special Attack, Night Shade is the better option generally the best way for Noctowl to deal damage as it only leaves Noctowl walled by Normal-types. Air Slash can also be useful over Night Shade as it gives Noctowl a way to hit Normal-types and lets Noctowl it beat Grass-types more easily. Keep However, keep in mind that Noctowl will then be walled by Steel-types. Finally, Toxic is there to let Noctowl cripple and wear down the opponent's Pokemon.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Magic Coat can be used to prevent Noctowl from getting hit by Taunt or to prevent entry hazard setup, but Noctowl has problems to fit fitting it in as it needs all four of its moves. Reflect is also an interesting option for Noctowl, as it would help it take on physical attacker better, but like Magic Coat, it is hard for Noctowl to find spaces for it.</p>

    <p>Because Noctowl's best way to beat a Pokemon is by wearing it down, Garbodor and Scolipede are great partners for it as they provides Spikes and Toxic Spikes to wear down the opponent's team even more and can take on physical attackers such as Sawk and Gurdurr for Noctowl thanks to their typing. Piloswine also pairs well with Noctowl, providing Stealth Rock, an immunity to Electric-types Electric-type attacks, and a resistance to Ice-type attacks thanks to Thick Fat. Finally, Steel-types such as Metang and Klang are good partners for Noctowl as they can deal with the opponent's Rock-types Rock-type Pokemon.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Despise Despite being an awful Pokemon, Noctowl has access to some interesting support options such as Psych Up, Featherdance FeatherDance, Psycho Shift, Hypnosis, and Thunder Wave, (start new sentence) but However, these moves are only useful in certain situations (add comma) and Noctowl can't really afford to ditch one of its standard moves for any of them. Noctowl can also go offensive with its Tinted Lens ability, Heat Wave, Hyper Voice, and Air Slash, but it isn't strong enough to break walls by itself and would need way too much support to work.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Rock-types such as Golem, Regirock, and Carracosta can all easily take a Night Shade and OHKO Noctowl with their Rock-type STABs. Physical attackers in general are a pain for Noctowl as it has horrible bulk on the physical side bulk, which leaves it prone to get 2HKOed by pretty much any decently strong move. Electric-types such as Rotom-S, Eelektross, and Electabuzz can also easily KO Noctowl, only fearing Toxic. Ice-types such as Piloswine and Jynx easily beat Noctowl too with their Ice-type STABs. Swellow, Zangoose, and Ursaring are immune to Noctowl's Night Shade, can use Toxic to their advantage to boost their power with Guts or Toxic Boost, and can easily OHKO Noctowl with Facade. Steel-types such as Metang (add comma) can also easily take on Noctowl, as it which is only 4HKOed by Night Shade and can retaliate back with either Meteor Mash or Toxic (add comma) can also easily take on Noctowl. Finally, Noctowl is easy to wear down with status as it puts Noctowl on a timer, limiting its survivability.</p>


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    Oh god did this really go up to 2nd gp without anyone telling me I forgot the set name Oo

    Implemented everything!

    EDIT: OK HOW DID THIS PASS TOO
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    ALSO the order is item / ability / nature
    :)

    edit: because GatoDelFuego is a nooblet
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