The problem you people aren't touching on is that players have found it necessary to alter their IVs to deal with Genesect. Download on a Pokémon as fast, versatile, and powerful as Genesect is insanity. Could you imagine if Rayquaza got it?
It wasn't about just that. I meant pokemon like Tornadus-T manipulating IVs in order to prevent the SPA boost, or Garchomp with yache berry and -20 DEF IVs, for the sole purpose of defeating Genesect.Imo having to put those 4 EVs into certain stats is the least important of the problems that Genesect brings...
You say it as though they're saying the sole reason Genesect may be broken is because of Download. No that monster versitility combined with it's Atk and Sp. Atk that allows it to go mixed very well is what makes it suspect worthy. Download is just one more straw on it's back. However, download is still a major contributor to Genescect simly because it's Atk, Sp. Atk, huge versatility, and Download makes for a broken pokemon. It's like Garchomp w/ sand veil.guys, let's stop nitpicking the ONE thing I said that you happen to disagree with and have an actual discussion. Tinted Lens of course has its flaws, too (wont let you get past Heatran, obviously), but the fact that it nullifies half resistances is amazing (think Gyarados / Landorus / Magnezone can come to tank a Bug Buzz / U-turn?) To deny the appeal in tinted lens is sheer ignorance. Simply put, Download isn't the best ability out there, and people should stop treating as if DL turns Genesect into the next Arceus -_-;;
Anyways, I already shared my thoughts on Genesect after laddering with it. Feel free to do the same, or intelligently discuss on the major points I brought up.
I think you are underestimating how powerful an ability Download is. It's basically like having a Choice Band or Choice Specs boost for no cost in return. That is huge. Tinted lens might be a cool ability, but it wouldn't help Genesect get past its current checks/counters (Heatran still walls it, the blobs don't resist any of its attacks in the first place, Terrakion in sand can still take a hit, Jirachi in rain is neutral to all its attacks). Genesect already sweeps a good majority of the game excluding those pokemon I listed with Download, so I don't understand why you think Tinted Lens would make it so much better.guys, let's stop nitpicking the ONE thing I said that you happen to disagree with and have an actual discussion. Tinted Lens of course has its flaws, too (wont let you get past Heatran, obviously), but the fact that it nullifies half resistances is amazing (think Gyarados / Landorus / Magnezone can come to tank a Bug Buzz / U-turn?) To deny the appeal in tinted lens is sheer ignorance. Simply put, Download isn't the best ability out there, and people should stop treating as if DL turns Genesect into the next Arceus -_-;;
Anyways, I already shared my thoughts on Genesect after laddering with it. Feel free to do the same, or intelligently discuss on the major points I brought up.
The pivots that can switch in are Heatran, Volcanora, Chansey, Blissey and Ninetales, assuming SR are not on the field. 3 of those are trapped by Dugtrio(unless you're running stuff like Shed Shell Rest Talk Heatran). The others are wrecked by physical Genesect(which is viable) And you can't make the case that GeneTrio will always have U-turn either. I've seen Rock Polish sets paired with Dugtrio, since pivots would be less likely to switch in on Genesect when they see Dugtrio on Team Preview. I've seen Genesect double switch to bluff the Rock Polish, only to get owned by Choice Scarf Genesect later on in the match. Then there's the Expert Belt sets, which trolls scouting attempts. And if it does manages to set-up mid-to-late game, you're hoping that your check isn't owned by a random coverage move you were unable scout for earlier in the match.Not that this is an argument against a Genesect ban, but have people tried, y'know, pivot switching against RP Genesect to scout its set? What's the worst it can do? Read your mind? Lucky guess? Use RP again to become... faster? There's "I think Genesect is broken" and then there's "aww Genesect might have the move needed to beat the check I switched in, I'm just going to give up and sit here and leave it to chance"... The most obvious reasons I wouldn't use this as an argument against a ban are "entry hazards" and "you still take damage from Genesect while scouting it" but seriously...
"What am I supposed to so about this pokemon"I was neutral on Genesect until my designated counter on my bulky offense team (Heatran) started repeatedly getting raped by HP water variants...
What the hell am I supposed to do about it now? Resort to using one of the blobs or something stupid like Gastrodon that will also get raped by Giga Drain variants? Crazy how a single pokemon can make an entire playstyle utterly useless.
Genesect demolishes the idea of "creativity" in OU.
Too bad NONE of the stuff you labeled are counters thanks to Genesect's crazy diverse movepool. That's the main problem with it: it has very, very few counters that can actually handle it."What am I supposed to so about this pokemon"
"This pokemon ruins an ideas of creativity"
What? The whole meaning of creativity is to try to find new ways to counter certain threats.
I used to have a specially defensive Tyranitar which can deal with the RP sets as most RP sets don't carry bug buzz and giga drain won't do much in the sand and Tyranitar can Kill it off with a flamethrower and even bug buzz won't kill of Tyranitar in one hit if it's at high health regardless of download boost.
Scarfed Victini or any other faster scarfer that knows a fire type move(Salamence/Garchamp for ex) can deal with the scarfed u-turn variants. You can even try pokemon with iron barbs or rough skin in combinations with rocky helmet to make sure genesect does't u-turn with out a price. And with entry hazards out genesect will be relectunt to be u-turn as much.
Even Sableye can stall out some sets by burning it and then spamming recover as genesects moves won't KO Sableye with the right EV's.
Competitive Pokemon isn't supposed to be fun, per say. Its about winning. And I know that we have to ask why we're playing this if not for fun. But in this kind of environment, we have to ask ourselves this question from a competitive point, not an amusement one. We don't ban something because its no fun to play against, we ban it because its broken and is far too powerful for this metagame.I thought the general consensus was that less creativity = less fun. People have always disliked when the OU metagame revolves around a single Pokemon (like Mence in DPP).
You of all people should know this Ulti. lol