admittedly when giving my definition of what is enjoyable was subjective and irrelevant, but that was because i was largely tired of having to repeat my points to locoghoul. okay let's see, giratina-o with substitute is already a viable set, but substitutes are broken by earthquake on all but the most physically defensive of sets, on which it is questionable to run substitute in the first place, considering they are optimal with resttalk. resttalk + substitute? i don't think so. moreover, stall involves a LOT of switching, and each switch can still risk the potential 30% risk of being KOed, and 51% if they're slower, even if they want to get a substitute up. there are several stall pokemon that can effectively run substitute of course, such as lugia and tentacruel. but it seems the crux of your argument is centered around the one practical example of giratina-o with substitute negating the threat of fissure drill almost entirely, failling to see that its moveset will either be ridiculous and ineffective, or have its substitute broken by earthquake anyway! moreover, the mention of cosmic power ghostceus pretty much invalidates your entire post.