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np: BW Ubers Suspect Testing Round 1 - Mama Said Knock You Out UPDATE POST #95

Discussion in 'BW Ubers' started by bojangles, Oct 21, 2012.

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  1. His Eminence Lord Poppington II

    His Eminence Lord Poppington II proverb:the fish who eats most dies still too
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    Jul 29, 2010
    admittedly when giving my definition of what is enjoyable was subjective and irrelevant, but that was because i was largely tired of having to repeat my points to locoghoul.

    okay let's see, giratina-o with substitute is already a viable set, but substitutes are broken by earthquake on all but the most physically defensive of sets, on which it is questionable to run substitute in the first place, considering they are optimal with resttalk. resttalk + substitute? i don't think so.

    moreover, stall involves a LOT of switching, and each switch can still risk the potential 30% risk of being KOed, and 51% if they're slower, even if they want to get a substitute up.

    there are several stall pokemon that can effectively run substitute of course, such as lugia and tentacruel. but it seems the crux of your argument is centered around the one practical example of giratina-o with substitute negating the threat of fissure drill almost entirely, failling to see that its moveset will either be ridiculous and ineffective, or have its substitute broken by earthquake anyway!

    moreover, the mention of cosmic power ghostceus pretty much invalidates your entire post.
  2. shrang

    shrang Draw me... like one of your human girls
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    Jul 24, 2009
    I've done this too many times already. It is so cheap.
  3. syrim

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    Sep 12, 2009
    This post doesn't really contain much practical expirience. For instance, the only stall pokemon that can viably run substitute (a tiny group since every moveslot is absolutely crucial to this playstyle) either let excadrill spin (eg everything bar ghost type stall pokemon) or perform terribly against every other spinner/entry hazard (sub gira-a/ghostceus). Sub Gira-o is already a very common set, and already can only switch into gira-o's eq once if SR is has been down.

    You claim that stall players should attempt to put themselves in a place where they do not have to predict. In reality, OHKO moves put stall teams in a place where no prediction is possible. For instance, if you ran a stall team capable of beating common threats, you will give excadrill or kyogre multiple chances to switch in. To isolate excadrill in particular, do you switch to your spin blocker and risk a huge chance of getting OHKOd if you are gira-a/ghostceus, and a 51% if you are gira-o? Gira-a can't even make exca pay for the risk by ruining its spinning potential with WoW, as fissure isn't really worried about attack drops. Do you switch to something offensive, that can take a predicted EQ and force it out without spinning? This switch now has the same chance to die to fissure, and to preempt a likely response the only common stall pokemon that is immune to ground is lugia.

    Point in case stall cannot adapt to OHKO because of their inability to be predicted around. You CANNOT put yourself in a situation where you are not threatened by them if you use pokemon that are actually capable of walling the metagame. Sub isn't usually the best use of a stall pokemon's turn, either.
  4. faint

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    I don't understand what you're saying. Pocket never claimed scald or thunder are only used for their secondary effects. He's saying a burn or a paralysis are not the same as a guaranteed OHKO. Yes it may cripple the mon, but you are not instantly DOWN a mon. Also scarfogre's don't use scald, and yes we are aware thunder is used in the rain. But more importantly,

  5. AfroThunderRule

    AfroThunderRule *yawn* ez
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    May 25, 2009
    I don't mean to be rude but is this dead? :/
  6. Aqualouis

    Aqualouis ^ Sport de raquette + Service pas rattrapé
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    Feb 28, 2010
    Poppy told me that we were waiting for Bojangles to post the identification topic, but he also told me that he was busy actually.
    So i guess that we have to wait !
  7. alamaster

    alamaster hello
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    Dec 22, 2004
    maybe GS is marking those exams first...(if anyone actually did it)
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