I use Girafarig, all the time.WHO THE FUCK IS USING GRUMPIG AND GIRAFARIG.
Seriously, theres so many better cmers, especially mesprit, who has better stats and better coverage, the only thing each of them has going over it is differnet resistances, which are very outweighed by mesprits much greater stats and movepool. I have honestly no idea why you would use them over anything else.
First I've heard but it's completely necessary, it's not even really debatable, he creates too many easy ways to sweep/stall out your opponent. Even a prepared team struggles to deal with multiple walls in hail and sweepers like scarfed Rotom - Fridge, Jynx and Magneton.Iirc snover is actually moving up in January so we won't have to worry about it until snover possibly moves down, whenever that is
which is why you need to show me that one team you kicked my ass with.Eelektross also functions well on a Trick Room team with his abysmal Speed if you don't like relying on Thunder Wave support.
I would like to state that I full heartedly agree with this post, as I think Elektross is the best electric-type in the tier. So versatile. Low speed makes me sad though. :|you people need to discover the power of eelektross. All the eel needs is some hazards support and some twave support and he can easily knock out 2/3rds of a team. I'm even considering running dragon tail on the special set just to rack up damage on opponents he can't touch.
The problem with soundproof Mr. Mime against your Rhydon is that Mime's pitiful physical bulk is easily exploited and a simple Earthquake will do massive damage.yeah, ninjask is actually good. the only way that I get past bp teams is they play cocky when they see rhydon and don't expect roar.
and yeah; of course all the good bpers are here. once espeon was banned, they had nowhere to go (bar celebi, zapdos, and mew) but NU.
(please somebody use soundproof mr.mime)
Rock Blast shits on Ninjask all day. Why no one uses Rock Blast Rhydon is beyond mewell, not everybody uses rhydon to roar; hell, once it's been passed enough def (or uses barrier enough) its subs won't break. Mr. Mime is essentially the Mew of NU, too, getting many boosting moves (barrier, CM, and NP) to pass to its teammates.
No need to be rude man, I didn't know it was going and it's currently there isn't it, it will be gone, but it's not gone, just offering my opinion. Quagsire has a lot of counters in the tier, the curse set is rendered hopeless by anything with taunt or fazing moves/haze and there are TONS of viable grass types. Slowbro is UU, so you put your foot in your mouth there. Slowking I believe you mean has tons of checks, but is a very viable Poke which people prepare for, it's one Poke, hail can outstall/sweep even prepared teams. It's basically hail vs. anti-hail with all other teams falling on the wayside.@Steamroll, since I've been playing NU since the beginning (when Eelektross was in the top 10), and while its good, I've never found it to be that great.
@sabinfrost, please stfu. In two weeks, it'll be gone for good. That, and how the hell can we ban something not in the tier? Does Scizor need to be banned from UU? The point of "Well, Rotom-F is a UU mainstay" is bullshit. For multiple reasons:
1. If its a mainstay, why is it NU?
2. Quagsire. Slowbro. That is all.
Essentially, all you have to do is: deal with it for a couple more weeks.
Lefeon pulls off a physical sweep with Leaf Blade o.k despite lack of coverage, he can also act as a cleric with access to wish/heal bell and a phasing move unlike Tangela, so I agree with you, Lefeon has it's place.Leafeon's draw is having Leftovers and decently reliable recovery in Wish. However, the defensive bulk really does not compare, and Tangela has Regenerator to help out with healing HP. Tangela is generally superior, but Leafeon kind of has a totally different purpose usually.
I think suspects would be best discussed once the tier shifts happen. As far as we know, the meta post-shift will be beautiful and fantastic and amazing (even though I'm pretty sure it won't; what's going to check Gorebyss again?). Smeargle is really fantastic and I hate how people have actually started to run Sap Sipper Miltank and Vital Spirit Magmortar just to deal with it. >:(No need to be rude man, I didn't know it was going and it's currently there isn't it, it will be gone, but it's not gone, just offering my opinion. Quagsire has a lot of counters in the tier, the curse set is rendered hopeless by anything with taunt or fazing moves/haze and there are TONS of viable grass types. Slowbro is UU, so you put your foot in your mouth there. Slowking I believe you mean has tons of checks, but is a very viable Poke which people prepare for, it's one Poke, hail can outstall/sweep even prepared teams. It's basically hail vs. anti-hail with all other teams falling on the wayside.
Now that is out of the way, I was going to ask about Smeargle, I know SmashPass is banned but he pulls off Quiver pass sets and he still spore/spikes as well as he always has. Given how regularly he gets used in UU as a Smashpasser with Spore, you'd think he deserves to be in a higher tier, even with the likes of Magmortar with Vital Spirit not much prevents a sashed Smeargle doing it's job. Anything that can hold it's own in a variety of higher tier teams like Smeargle should probably be suspect.
Lefeon pulls off a physical sweep with Leaf Blade o.k despite lack of coverage, he can also act as a cleric with access to wish/heal bell and a phasing move unlike Tangela, so I agree with you, Lefeon has it's place.
Honestly Swellow/Braviary don't need to go, they die if they switch into a predicted fighting/rock move and a banded brave bird or guts boosted facade does nothing to Rhydon/Lairon. They have counters in the tier and are rock weak. Swellow in particular is incredibly frail and often revenge killed by scarfers (which also tend to switch in if it protects to trigger it's toxic orb).I think suspects would be best discussed once the tier shifts happen. As far as we know, the meta post-shift will be beautiful and fantastic and amazing (even though I'm pretty sure it won't; what's going to check Gorebyss again?). Smeargle is really fantastic and I hate how people have actually started to run Sap Sipper Miltank and Vital Spirit Magmortar just to deal with it. >:(
Leafeon (...along with Gorebyss) is going to be superb when the tier shifts happen. It loses basically all of its important checks. Scolipede, Swellow, Braviary, Snover, Rotom-F, Klinklang... yeah, nothing is going to deal with it very well at all save maybe Magneton. And even in the scenario that you get walled by something like Magneton, all it's gonna take is a quick Baton Pass to your Magneton counter (and you might get off a +2 pass too). I'm really excited to play around with Leafeon when those shifts happen.
Because, you know, I didn't mean that they're mainstays of OU that aren't in the tier or anything like that, kthnx.No need to be rude man, I didn't know it was going and it's currently there isn't it, it will be gone, but it's not gone, just offering my opinion. Quagsire has a lot of counters in the tier, the curse set is rendered hopeless by anything with taunt or fazing moves/haze and there are TONS of viable grass types. Slowbro is UU, so you put your foot in your mouth there. Slowking I believe you mean has tons of checks, but is a very viable Poke which people prepare for, it's one Poke, hail can outstall/sweep even prepared teams. It's basically hail vs. anti-hail with all other teams falling on the wayside.
1. When arguing something's broken, its nice to bring up something relevant. Saying more than one is also pretty nice.There are tons of opportunities to set up as well, they can easily come in on a scarfed Emboar knowing they can take a hit,
No need to be so aggressive/rude.Because, you know, I didn't mean that they're mainstays of OU that aren't in the tier or anything like that, kthnx.
Also, I'm only going to say this once. It doesn't matter whether its broken in the tier or not, its how much a poke is used that determines its tier. I don't care how frail the birds are, how shallow Klinklang's movepool is, ITS THE AMOUNT THEY'RE USED IN RU THAT COUNTS.
Ok, why the hell are you comparing Rotom to Articuno? I really must know. Anyways, I'll address the Rotoms we have:
Spin: Its annoying to be sure with ParaFusion + Flinch shenanigans, but unless you get REALLY unlucky, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Frost: Without Snover, its going to be near useless. Only remotely broken for the rest of the month.
1. When arguing something's broken, its nice to bring up something relevant. Saying more than one is also pretty nice.
2. The example you brought up isnt even true. Flare Blitz? Yes. Superpower? Gorebyss takes 71.8-85% (and Huntail takes more), how the hell can it come in on that? Wild Charge? Pretty much the same as Superpower. Btw, those calcs were with Jolly. If you're Adamant, they'll just go ahead and get OHKO'd
3. Gorebyss and Huntail aren't even common, and when I do see one, its easily dealt with. With Slowking gone I suppose it will be harder to deal with, but not in this round.