Likewise, I can just switch out to my Kabutops check or set up one layer of Spikes after the first Destiny Bond. I'm not saying you have to bother with that matchup (and you shouldn't) but it can get at least one layer if need be unless you enjoy losing your Kabutops.
Fair enough. :) I feel as if the few times that I've seen frosslass used, it was solely as a suicide lead and they made no effort to preserve her. I can see where it can become difficult to stop her throughout the match (though when she is not leading, it can become more difficult to prevent hazard removal unless you have another ghost. She does not want to be switching into any potential knock offs)
Yes, but I was responding to two posts that insinuated that lass would dbond on the first turn instead of spike.EonX- said:
Um, Froslass is almost exclusively a suicide lead on HO teams. It gets up Spikes, tries to take something down with DBond, and then the rest of your team just uses offensive pressure to not give Defog and Rapid Spin users a chance to do their thing.
Muh favorite set with moltres rn is Sub Toxic. It's really strong and annoying, and you can even stall out low pp moves like stone edge from rhyperior if you're faster thanks to pressure. Really sweet.
You clearly have not seen SmashPass in action. No offense, but that shit is kinda ridiculous. Pretty easy to make a SmashPass team tbh. Basically, it's Meowstic-M, Gorebyss, random Rocks setter, and 3 sweepers, preferably ones that have their own setup moves in case the opponent is prepared for SmashPass. These teams are super easy to use as Meowstic-M is virtually guaranteed to get Screens up at least once, maybe twice if the opponent tries to setup on it since T-Wave ends that threat. I imagine QuiverPass is just as dangerous if you stack special sweepers (replace Gorebyss with Moth), but I think SmashPass is a bit more viable due to the ability to run both physical and special sweepers to benefit from the Pass while QuiverPass largely relies on special sweepers to gain maximum benefit from Quiver Dance boosts.
I've ran SubWoW Moltres a while ago and it didn't disappoint me to sya at the very leats. I won lots of stallwars with it and doesn't give a shit about any physical move aside form rock moves ofc. SR weakness sucks but it doesnt when you are talking about one of the, if not bets counter to Escavalier. Also Roost.
Power. This is like Magnezone in UU (well that is quite logical actually so yea lol). Use this in conjuction with Flying Spam, workHello everyone, since I think this thread needs a lot better posts I’m going to go ahead and post about a Pokemon/set that I have had a lot of success with recently.
Magneton @ Choice Specs
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 SAtk / 220 Spd / 36 HP
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Volt Switch
Choice Specs Analytic Magnetion is actually insanely good right now with very little Electric type checks currently in the tier. Rhyperior and Gligar are easily the top two used Ground types and both are absolutely destroy by Flash Cannon with even Max Specially Defensive Rhyperior being OHKO’d on the switch-in and Gligar easily being 2HKO’d, meaning that every time this thing comes in something is very likely to die or at the very least be severely damaged.
Hidden Power Grass can be used over Hidden Power Fire as without it Gastrodon can wall this set for days, Hidden Power Fire is only really for AV Escavalier’s at around 80% that don’t bother to check if they can switch out and just assume it’s Magnet Pull. Since Hidden Power Fire drops your speed I was running enough to outrun neutral base 65’s however if running Hidden Power Grass you can scratch the Hp Ev’s and run max speed to tie with neutral base 70’s.
As I mentioned before without Hidden Power Grass Gastrodon hard counters this set, the next best check to this is probably AV Eelektross but it’s usage has been on a significant decline since Tornadus was banned, Gastrodon also doesn’t get much usage at all with it getting around 4.5% last month.
So yeah use this thing.
I run spinner Avalugg also (one of the tiers best) his only downfall being 4MSS. Heres the set:
Yes. Yes he did...
They weren't intended to hurt or help, just to be useful. I just picked some RU mons that have high usage (Druddigon, Slurpuff) or to prove a point by using a strong attack (Pangoro, Gallade). I picked them to show Avalugg's talents or expose his weaknesses, like stopping a +6 Slurpuff which is a common set that I have been seeing lately. I'm not expecting Druddigon to stay in, but on the switch or just to be a general calc that shows a 180BP move off of max 120 stat being taken like a boss.
The problem with listing a set of calcs like you did, is that they don't really contribute all that much to the discussion, unless they are being used to discuss a specific set. I mean some of the calcs you listed, don't really ever happen in a real in game situation, such as the Delphox calc. If you are going to assume that your team has had the time to get up SR, and then switch in Avulugg (a rapid spinner) it is highly likely that the opposing team has had time to set up hazards, and that sturdy has been broken by said hazards (sturdy is a terrible ability on a spinner :/). And sure it lives those physical hits that you listed, and some are quite impressive, but it doesn't really reveal anything new about Avulugg, as it is quite obviously very bulky on the physical end of the spectrum. So basically calcs don't really do anything unless they are being used to demonstrate the prowess of a specific set, and "calc spam" can be kind of detracting from a thread meant to discuss meta game trends.
