im just going to post my paras fuck it - you can argue points but they are already sent so please dont tell me to edit something - these are for you to look at get a sense of where im coming from concerning hippowdon (jabba and ln already have these): --- WHY HIPPOWDON IS BL there are multiple things we need to consider when making this decision - the most important of which is "why hippowdon specifically" - as others will claim and state when we arent discussing hippopotas. what makes hippowdon broken is not solely him the pokemon or solely sandstorm - it is hippowdon summoning the sandstorm. i think this is point that needs to be addressed - it is hippowdons synergy and what he means as a teammate for sandstorm teams that make him broken. so before i start talking about hippowdon and hippopotas, let me just explain why hippo summoning sand is broken in the first place - hippowdon creates a completely unhealthy metagame where he combos with pokemon that receive ridiculous boosts with him as a partner - boosts that directly overpower multiple pokemon. i can start with the most obvious one - stoutland. there couldnt have been a better match made in UU than these two and its obvious why - stoutland (who can deal with ghosts so we can ignore that) spams choice banded frustrations only resisted and hence forth walled by the scarce amount of rock-types and steel-types. hippowdon in turn wall most of these pokemon, or force them into terrible positions (this is because one of the only "safe" methods to defeating this combo relies on giving these walls choice band or high impact items like life orb, which in turn only makes it harder for them to wall stoutland or for them to defend against any other part of the team, generally geared perfectly towards defeating these threats). many of the same arguments taken from excadrill's arguments apply perfectly to stoutland - he destroys speed tiers and completely forces the meta around himself. imagine in ou, if exca was weaker and forced to use a cb to do damage, but to make up for it, he had a sand partner which completely walled all of his counters - this is why hippowdon is like for stoutland. so why you may wish to argue "stoutland is broken" and there isn't anything wrong with doing that - the offender of non competitiveness is hippowdon who as i said before, creates all sorts of combos that are almost impossible to break through - made even tougher by stoutland (and alakazam). i suppose ill get to alakazam next - this is yet another sweeper who absolutely benefits from hippowdon. hippo has the ability to wall what you were using to stop alakazam such as escavalier and non wisp spiritomb - a zam with a substitute provides another form of attack that hippowdon entirely supports and like i have mentioned before - zam requires almost no prediction with a sub and the right teammates. the time for zam to be banned has passed but it doesnt mean we cant eliminate the bigger offender, the pokemon who once again like stoutland, provides yet another pokemon perfect support. so "hippo cant wall cb attacks 'that well' and still has trouble with super effective attacks" - my retort is so what? hippowdon doesnt care about that, hes walling the things he is supposed to wall while hitting back hard enough, supporting all the general teammates around him. i can go one step further and mention roserade and a bulky water-type - one again, beautiful type synergy with hippowdon, being able to take the water, ice, grass attacks directed at him, being able to counter more of those threats that would wall your attackers, and setting up spikes / phazing around in the process. this is a combination that beautifully plays itself out for you. the last slot barely matters but you may see a ghost or a scarf flygon or w/e - it doesn't matter much here, this is usually just meant to plug up the holes left. the problem, like i said, is the issue of hippo + the perfect attacking partners + perfect defensive partners - the only way to truly dominate this meta besides using sand yourself is to completely go anti-meta with anti-sand - thats how over centralizing sand is. now why hippowdon and not hippopotas? well that should be clear from my paragraphs but i will reiterate it clearly here: hippopotas does not provide the walling or attacking support that hippowdon does. it is not eliminating the counters of zam or stoutland (escavalier and bisharp, things hippowdon could wall can now threaten not only hipppopotas but the whole team structure by default) because it doesnt have the same defensive prowess of hippowdon - the lack of recovery, the decrease of bulk, the MUCH weaker attacking power - they turn hippopotas into a LIABILITY, not a threat like hippowdon. its my belief that stoutland and sand in general becomes very manageable with the liability that is hippopotas providing the sand - and this is why im in favor of banning hippowdon, its his summoning of sand with his unique qualities that creates broken threats and a broken metagame.