Ummm... isn't that what always happens when something is banned?So Goth has been banned? Yay! Does this mean it's going BL now?
Nope.Isn't Flash banned by evasion clause?
I believe the clause is something like: "No moves which raise the user's evasion/lower the opponent's accuracy(with no other effects) are banned"
Unless Flash got another effect in Gen 5, it should be banned, correct?
- Evasion Clause - A Pokemon may not have the moves Double Team or Minimize in its moveset, or hold the items Brightpowder or Lax Incense.
Gothitelle and Chandelure are two entirely different Pokemon altogether. Chandelure's main niche is similar to Dugtrio's in that it's a good revengekiller while employing Shadow Tag. It otherwise is too reliant on a Choice Scarf to really be broken. Gothitelle was banned because while she used Shadow Tag she also made it easier for lethal sweepers to sweep by removing key counters and checks for them. Chandelure won't be able to do that is it lacks key moves that Gothitelle used, one of them being Trick and the other being Tickle.Didn't see that coming, but I've been out of the loop for UU for a awhile. Was it a quick ban? I didn't even think Shadow Tag Gothitelle was released yet. I'm assuming Chandelure will meet a similar fate if it doesn't get bumped up to OU once it's dream world ability is released.
Chandelure has Trick. Chandelure is far stronger and faster, with far better offensive and defensive typing. It can do everything that Gothitelle usefully did, and much more. They are two different Pokemon only because Chandelure simply outclasses Gothitelle.Gothitelle and Chandelure are two entirely different Pokemon altogether. Chandelure's main niche is similar to Dugtrio's in that it's a good revengekiller while employing Shadow Tag. It otherwise is too reliant on a Choice Scarf to really be broken. Gothitelle was banned because while she used Shadow Tag she also made it easier for lethal sweepers to sweep by removing key counters and checks for them. Chandelure won't be able to do that is it lacks key moves that Gothitelle used, one of them being Trick and the other being Tickle.
Ah. This I did not know. I genuinely thought it didn't, because most people didn't employ Trick. I take it this was a gift from B2W2? If not, then I guess I should stop being coy and take Shadow Tag Chandelure at least a little seriously.Chandelure has Trick.
Yes, pokemon that are banned in UU are also banned in lower tiers.So even if RU and NU don't ban goth will it still be BL?
Atm, I don't think anything will be suspect worthy, not until the drop downs happen next month.
HP fighting goes where trick is... And using specs basically allows Lure to muscle through even Lax, given hazard support and if you happen to net a flash fire boost Lax won't like switching in, using Fire Blast. Specs Lure's utility is to nuke mons, generally those slower than it, and destroy defensive cores with not much effort necessary in prediction (since the only things that would attempt to switch in to Specs Lure most of the time are flash fire users that are nailed hard by HP fighting or normal types attempting to predict the incoming Shadow Ball and once they're gone you can easily spam your STABs). Generally, specs lure is a nightmare for slower teams as it can very easily dismantle them.where do you have room for hp fighting? i would always use fb / sball / energy ball / trick, but that's just me. and tbh most people that i see using specs chandy just spam fb anyways. i'm with you heysup, never seen the utility of specs chandy. sub split and chestorest have always been my go-to sets, sub split for the immense power and annoyance factor, and a bulkier chestorest set that can tank minor hits, stay healthy throughout the course of the match, and actually bluff specs / sacarf (it also is really useful for taking on roserade).
This isn't *quite* true. Sub + 3 attacks loses to Snorlax / Pory2, and if you run HP Fighting you can get checked by some bulkier Waters.Sub + 3 Attacks has literally no safe switch in, and Sub + Pain Split is hard to deal with as well, even harder when considering that it heals whenever you switch Snorlax in.