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Resources NU Tiering Info & History

Discussion in 'SM NeverUsed' started by rozes, Jun 7, 2017.

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  1. rozes

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    This thread will server as both a place for current NU Council Information as well as a History for past bans that take place over the course of SM NU.

    Current Council:
    Kiyo (TL)
    rozes (TL)
    Blast
    Disjunction
    Eternally
    Evan.
    Hootie
    Shadowtags
    Realistic Waters
    Past Members (open)

    How Tiering is Run:

    A thread was made <<here>> so be sure to give it a read if you want the full information, but here is the tldr:

    At the beginning of NU, everything that is potentially broken is banned by a council. Then, each banned element is reintroduced to the tier one at a time, and the NU council votes on whether each suspect should be kept in NU or remain BL3.

    Rotating Council:

    There will be a rotating council once the tier enters an Official Capacity, as due to the large volume of voting going on during Beta it would be hard to maintain and unfair to everyone due to how many votes a single member of the rotating council would get to take part in. However once we reach Official status, this will be used to keep a track of the current rotating council as well as past members.
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  2. Kiyo

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    06-07-17 Yanmega and Slurpuff have been quickbanned from the NU tier as they were deemed too broken for the beta period.

    Yanmega: Yanmega is blessed with two incredible abilities in the form of Tinted Lens and Speed Boost. The former allows it to use its already monstrous 116 base Special Attack and Choice Specs to blow past would-be counters that would otherwise resist its attacks, while the latter gives Yanmega the ability to make up for its middling 95 Speed and sweep through offensive teams while still maintaining a good amount of power when packing Life Orb. Yanmega was a centralizing force in NU Alpha forcing players to run a small set of hard counters in order to prevent getting swept from team preview, and the number of checks to Yanmega has only decreased with the shift to Beta. With these things considered Yanmega will be quickbanned from SM NU Beta.

    Slurpuff: Slurpuff keeps a lot of the problems that made it broken last generation. Once Slurpuff is able to get off a Belly Drum there is nothing in the tier that is able to reliably handle it. The combination of Unburden to double its speed as well as the addition to Drain Punch to its moveset in ORAS means even once common checks like Steelix are unable to handle it with a little bit of chip damage. Slurpuff also has an advantageous typing in Fairy that gives it both good Offensive STAB as well as a good type to set up with due to a high amount of resistances to common types while its weaknesses are not as common in the NU metagame. All of this together means Slurpuff is too unhealthy for the tier and will be quickbanned as of now.
    Voted on by the current tier leaders rozes and Kiyo
  3. rozes

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    06-11-17 Porygon2, Noivern, Moltres, Drought, Ribombee, and Kingdra have been banned from the NU tier through council voting.
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    Porygon2: Thanks to its amazing bulk, Porygon2 is able to switch into the majority of the metagame and is very difficult to take down throughout the course of a game. Porygon2's biggest weaknesses are Fighting-types, Knock Off, and Toxic. While NU definitely has no shortage of these 3 things, all of them are easily handled by Porygon2's teammates and severely limit the options opponents have to deal with it. Porygon2 also has the ability to function as a great support Pokemon for Trick Room teams and can reliably set Trick Room more than once in a match. Porygon2's combination of bulk, support options, and ease of being supported lead to it being an unhealthy presence in the NU metagame.

    Noivern: Noivern's great base speed, offensive typing and movepool have made it too strong for NU in the eyes of the council. Its mediocre special attack is mitigated through its high base powered STABs alongside its near unresisted coverage, and its great 123 base speed make it almost impossible to check for offensive teams. Noivern also has the ability to run a potent Taunt + Roost set that allows it to shut down most of the defensive walls that would normally wall it. Because of all of these factors, Noivern will be banned from SM NU.

    Moltres: Due to a combination of spectacular power, virtually unresisted coverage, and great defensive attributes, the NU Council has deemed Moltres too much for the tier. Moltres' fantastic base 125 Special Attack, coupled with respectable speed and potent dual STABs (Hurricane and Fire Blast / Flamethrower) allow it to run a variety of sets to get through would-be counters, including but not limited to Grassium-Z Solarbeam, SubToxic, Scarf, and Life Orb + Roost. Although Moltres is heavily pressured by Stealth Rock, the most common setters (Necrozma / Seismitoad / Rhydon / Steelix) are extremely threatened by it, moreover Moltres shares good synergy with common hazard removers such as Hitmontop and Hitmonlee. Overall, all of these factors have resulted in Moltres being banned from the NeverUsed tier.

    Drought: One thing the council had agreed upon prior to banning Drought was that auto-sun in some way was problematic in the tier. The ability to not have to use a move and automatically gain 8 turns of weather thats easily abused with top tier sweepers like Victreebell, Exeggutor, and Shiftry among others as well as powering up fire type attacks from Pokemon like Charizard. When we came to this conclusion, we had the dilemma of either banning the most common Drought user in the tier, Ninetales, or banning the ability itself. In the end a few council members did in fact ladder with Vulpix in place of Ninetales and we came to the same conclusion that it was in fact the ability Drought that was unhealthy and not the users themselves which led us to voting and banning Drought from the tier.

    Ribombee: Ribombee's combination of blazing Speed, above-average power, and potent offensive typing have made it too much for the NU tier. Base 124 Speed places Ribombee above nearly every relevant threat in NU, while Choice Specs-boosted Moonblast is extremely dangerous in a tier with few sturdy Fairy resists, making it easy for it to punch massive dents into opposing teams and threaten sweeps with minimal support. Ribombee can also opt to run Quiver Dance with Psychium Z, allowing it to break through several of the only good checks to the Choice Specs set. As a result of these factors, Ribombee will be banned from NU.

    Kingdra: Because of its great stats, typing, and move pool, Kingdra has been deemed banworthy from the NU tier. Kingdra is the most unpredictable pokemon in the tier as it can run both physical and special sets with equal viability, and it is also incredibly strong through the use of its high powered STAB moves. Kingdra also has a fantastic defensive and offensive typing as well as very good bulk for an offensive pokemon which allows it to set up on a large portion of the NU tier. As a result of all these factors, the council has banned Kingdra from SM NU.
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    06-18-17 Exploud is now banned due to council voting.
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    Exploud: Exploud is simply too overwhelming a Pokemon for the NU metagame too handle. It's Choice Specs boosted Boombursts have very few switch ins in the tier and the few that exist can be dealt with in one hit by a coverage move, or fail to 2hko exploud before it can 2hko or 3hko them. Exploud also sports decent natural bulk which makes it extremely difficult to revenge kill with priority and even faster Pokemon can struggle to OHKO it.
  5. rozes

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    ADVANTAGE has decided to step down from NU Council. We thank him for all the effort hes put in both in ORAS and at the begging of SM and hope he still sticks around in the community.

    Realistic Waters will be replacing him as he is now back for Sun and Moon and is a veteran to both the tier and the community. Voting should happen soon for the last round before Beta as well n_n
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  6. Kiyo

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    06-30-17 Necrozma and Tyrantrum have been banned from NU through council voting.
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    Necrozma: Necrozma was banned for a combination of bulk and incredible versatility that made it difficult to scout for what set it may be. Checks to Necrozma could matchup very well versus one set, but lose to another, which makes it constraining to prepare for while forming a team. Its bulk alongside its ability made taking it down a task too, many teams relied on Toxic in order to keep it at bay. Dark-types in the tier checked it, but many are easy to wear down and Necrozma can outlast them as a result thanks to having a fairly reliable form of recovery in Moonlight. All of these traits deemed Necrozma as being too much for the current NU metagame to handle consistently.

    Tyrantrum:
    Tyrantrum possesed an overwhelmingly strong offensive niche in the meta game as a wallbreaker and sweeper because of its powerful STAB Head Smash with Rock Head and diverse coverage options. Dragon Dance sets were powerful because of Tyrantrum's ability to pick between what item and Z Move let it get past its common checks easiest depending on its teammates. Choice Scarf sets made checking Tyrantrum offensively that much harder if you were trying to prevent a Dragon Dance and Choice Band sets made switching into Tyrantrum with your Rock-resistant Pokemon significantly more difficult. Tyrantrum's overwhelming offensive capabilities are too much for the current NU metagame to handle.
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