Oddish (Analysis)

[Moo]

QC: 2/2 (ShinyAzelf, Zeph) GP: 2/2 (FateCrashers/Jubilee, Chou Toshio/-Charmander-)

Oddish

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[Overview]

<p>Oddish is arguably the best Chlorophyll sweeper in LC due to its higher Special Attack and bulk compared to other Chlorophyll sweepers. It is, however, one of the slowest Chlorophyll users. Oddish's high Special Attack stat and powerful STAB Grass and Poison attacks are what makes it a top tier sun sweeper. Its immunity to Toxic is also very useful because many common defensive Pokemon in Little Cup do not like being poisoned. Because of this, Oddish and other Poison-type Pokemon have a nice niche in the metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Sun Special Attacker
move 1: SolarBeam
move 2: Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Sludge Bomb / Sleep Powder
move 4: Sunny Day
item: Heat Rock / Life Orb / Eviolite
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 240 SpA / 200 Spe
ivs: 0 HP

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Chlorophyll doubles Oddish's Speed, giving it a Speed stat of 26, which outspeeds all but a handful of Choice Scarf users, namely Mienfoo and Chinchou. 0 HP IVs gives Oddish 19 HP, which means Oddish only takes 1 damage from Life Orb recoil. SolarBeam hits in one turn because of the sun, and thanks to STAB, it has a massive power of 180. This will hit any Pokemon that doesn't resist it extremely hard, except for a select few special sponges such as Lickitung and Munchlax. Hidden Power Fire is Oddish's secondary attack, and gets a 1.5x boost from the sun, giving it a power of 105. This is Oddish's only attack that hits Steel-type Pokemon super effectively, as they resist SolarBeam, and are immune to Sludge Bomb. It is also useful against Grass-type Pokemon, as many of them have Poison as their secondary type, namely Bulbasaur, Bellsprout, Oddish, and Budew. Sludge Bomb is Oddish's second most powerful attack other than SolarBeam. Coverage-wise, it hits Fire- and Dragon-types, and it can be used outside of sun. Sleep Powder is a great alternative to Sludge Bomb, allowing Oddish to put a member of the opponent's team to sleep and then take free shots at them. Sleep Powder's prime use is to put the opponents sun counters to sleep, should they carry any.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Attacking-wise, there isn't much else that Oddish can run on the set, as the moves listed are its best options. However, there are a few alternatives that you can run in the last slot. Stun Spore can be used to cut the Speed of faster Pokemon. Synthesis can be used for reliable recovery in the sun. When equipped with an Eviolite, Oddish takes on the role of a bulky sweeper. If you decide to run an Eviolite, an EV spread of 156 HP / 236 SpA / 116 Spe with a Modest nature is recommended. This spread gives Oddish added bulk while maximizing its Special Attack. You should also make use of Synthesis for recovery if you chose this spread.</p>

<p>Stealth Rock support is appreciated to weaken Fire-, and Flying-type Pokemon, giving Oddish an easier time sweeping against Pokemon such as Houndour. Stealth Rock is also useful for beating Snover, as it takes 25% every time it comes in to induce hail. Fighting-types, such as Mienfoo and Scraggy, are good partners because they can counter Munchlax and Lickitung, who would otherwise sponge Oddish's special attacks with ease. Wynaut makes a great teammate too, since has the ability to trap Snover, which is the biggest counter to sun sweepers.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Oddish has a shallow movepool, and has but a few other options. Oddish could run a Sword Dance set, though its Attack is rather low, and its physical movepool is quite shallow, consisting of only Seed Bomb and Double-Edge. A SubSeed set is somewhat viable with sun support, but Oddish is outclassed as a SubSeeder by Cottonee, who has Prankster and does not require sun support.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Snover is the number one counter to any sun sweeper. Snover can come in as you use SolarBeam, induce hail, and make you charge the move up. Oddish is then trapped, and Snover can OHKO it with 100% accuracy Blizzard thanks to hail. However, if you can predict a Snover switch-in, Oddish can OHKO Snover with Hidden Power Fire. Hippopotas can change the weather thanks to Sand Stream and halve Oddish's Speed. Oddish can put it to sleep with Sleep Powder though. Lickitung and Munchlax sponge Oddish's powerful special attacks with their high Special Defense stats. Both can set up Curses against Oddish, and Munchlax can threaten to OHKO it with Fire Punch.</p>

 

[ShinyAzelf]

Changes as discussed on IRC:

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<ShinyAzelf> Hey Moo, on your Oddish analysis, add Stun Spore and Synthesis in OC

<Moo> :o

<Moo> ok

<ShinyAzelf> In Team Options, list who can provide Stealth Rock

<ShinyAzelf> And maybe another Pokemon who can provide Sunny Day

<Moo> got it

<ShinyAzelf> And mention Wynaut as it can kill Snover if all else fails

<Moo> good point ;o

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QC Approved: 1/2

 

[(makeup)]

This is pretty much a useless nitpick, but since Oddish has been released in the Dream World, you can remove the Dream Word section and explain how much Run Away sucks in Additional Comments. Also, I dunno about Sunny Day, just use Vulpix and it's better.
and while I'm at it run 0 HP IVs to get 19 HP and only take 1 damage from Life Orb

 

[Darkamber8828]

There's a bulky Sunny Day set in the gen 4 analysis, Modest 156 HP / 236 SpA / 116 Spe. Mention that spread somewhere around the evo-stone mention?

Also, slash Giga Drain with Solarbeam if you don't like risking Cloud Nine or hippos or frozen trees ruining your day. Healing helps too.

<p>Snover is the number one counter to any sun sweeper. he can come in as you use SolarBeam, induce hail, and make you charge the move up. You are now trapped, and Snover can kill you with 100% accuracy blizzard thanks to Snow Warning. If you can predict a Snover switch-in however, you can OHKO it with Hidden Power Fire. Hippopototas can stop the sun and half your speed. You can put it to sleep with Sleep Powder though, and hit it with Sludge Bomb. Lickitung and Munchlax spone Oddish's powerful special attacks. Both can set up Curses against Oddish, and Munchlax can threaten to OHKO it with Fire Punch. Murkrow resists SolarBeam, and lives Sludge Bomb and Hidden Power Fire, while threatening to OHKO with Brave Bird or Heat Wave. Oddish can put Murkrow to sleep with Sleep Powder, but it is a problem if you have already put something to sleep or if you miss. Vulpix is obviously the number one partner for Oddish, as it sets up sun and threatens to OHKO Snover with Fire Blast and Burn or put Hippopototas to sleep with Will-o-Wisp and Hypnosis respectively. Fighting-types like Kofujuu and Zurrugu are also good partners because they can counter Munchlax and Lickitung, who sponge Oddish's special attacks. Wynaut makes a great teammate too. It has the ability to trap Snover which is the biggest counter to sun sweepers.</p>

"Hippopotas"

Hippo resists Sludge Bomb

Murkrow has Insomnia

Why is the underlined part in counters? Shouldn't it be in TO?

 

[Moo]

Thanks for pointing all that out, ill get to it when im not half asleep =)

Edit: Applied the changes. Thanks for the stamp!

 

[Siegrin]

TBH, you should list a teammate that doesn't need a two-turn setup grass attack to take down Hippopotas in Sandstorm conditions, ofc, it's one that can also benefit from Chlorophyll. Just add that to your Team Options...

 

[Moo]

Hmm, good point, but it doesn't necessarily need to be a grass-type attack. Ice and water work too. I'll think of some special attackers who can check Hippopotas.

 

[(makeup)]

I think you should emphasize why anyone would ever use this over Petlil, who has Growth and no Poison typing (Pretty much higher Special Attack; Hidden Power Fire is just as good as Sludge Bomb since they both rape Grass-types.) Pretty much explain how it has good Special Attack.
Also, why is Sludge Bomb here? Hidden Power Fire gets all the Grass-types you need to, and in addition, nails Steels and Bugs.

 

[Darkamber8828]

I think you should emphasize why anyone would ever use this over Petlil, who has Growth and no Poison typing (Pretty much higher Special Attack; Hidden Power Fire is just as good as Sludge Bomb since they both rape Grass-types.) Pretty much explain how it has good Special Attack.
Also, why is Sludge Bomb here? Hidden Power Fire gets all the Grass-types you need to, and in addition, nails Steels and Bugs.

Power, reliability, Fire-types, Dragon-types, etc

Speaking of that,

Sludge Bomb is the most powerful move in Oddish's arsenal other than SolarBeam. Coverage-wise, it only hits Houndour, but it can be used outside of sun which is useful in certain situations.

You forgot the other fire-types and dragon-types.

 

[Zephyr]

Quality Control 2/2

I feel like there should be more for Oddish, but the sun set is really the only set having any effectiveness.

 

[Moo]

Thank you Zeph =)
Adding to the queue.

 

[Jubilee]

I'm not on the official GP team but here's a proofread.

Red = Remove
Blue = Add
Green = Comments

QC: 1/2 (ShinyAzelf, Zeph) GP: 0/2 ()

Oddish

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[Overview]

<p>Oddish is the most powerful Chlorophyll user in Little Cup, reaching 17 Special Attack with a neutral nature, or and 18 with a posotive positive nature. It is however, also one of the slowest Chlorophyll users. Oddish is one of the, if not the best Ssun Ssweepers in Little Cup because of its high Special Attack stat and double STAB Grass and Poison combination. It is a little also bulkier than most other sun sweepers.</p> Oddish is also the cutest Pokemon ever made!

[SET]
name: Sun Special Attacker
move 1: SolarBeam
move 2: Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Sludge Bomb
move 4: Sleep Powder / Sunny Day

item: Life Orb​

ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 240 Sp.Att SpA / 200 Spe
ivs: 0(space)hp

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set is your standard sun sweeper set. However, Oddish is a little bulkier and has more powerful Special Attack than other sun sweepers. Chlorophyll doubles Oddish's sSpeed giving it a Speed stat of 26, outspeeding all but a handful of Choice Scarf users; Gligar, Murkrow and Misdreavus to name a few. With a Life Orb, Oddish reaches 22 Special Attack, making it the most powerful sun sweeper in Little Cup. 0 HP ivs gives you Oddish 19 HP, which means you Oddish only takes 1 damage from Life Orb recoil. SolarBeam hits in one turn thanks to sun and thanks to because of STAB, has a massive bBase pPower of 180. This will hit anything that doesn't resist it extremely hard, except for a select few special sponges such as Munchlax and Lickitung. Hidden Power Fire is Oddish's secondary attack, and gets a nice x1.5 boost from the sun giving it a base power of 105. This is Oddish's only attack that hits Steel-Ttype Pokemon, as they resist SolarBeam, and are immune to Sludge Bomb. It is also useful against Grass-type Pokemon too, as many of them have Poison as their secondary type; such as, Bulbasaur, Bellsprout, Oddish, and Budew. Sludge Bomb is the most powerful move in Oddish's arsenal other than SolarBeam Oddish's second most powerful attack other than SolarBeam. Coverage-wise, it hits Fire and Dragon-types, and it can be used outside of sun which is useful in certain situations. Sleep Powder is a great asset to this set, allowing Oddish to put a member of the opponents team to sleep, leaving it free turns to fire off powerful attacks. It is always useful to have an opposing Pokemon useless. Oddish should use Sleep Powder Sleep Powder's main use is to put the opponents sun counters to sleep, should he your opponent carry any.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Attacking-wise, there isn't much else that Oddish can run on the set, as those the moves listed are its best attacks options. However, there are a few alternatives that you can run in the last slot. Sunny Day can be used if you want to replenish the sun, should your Vulpix get KO'd. (It will also be the first option if Drought gets banned,) Stun Spore can be used to paralyze and cut the Speed of slow a faster Pokemon. Synthesis can be used for reliable recovery in the sun. When Eequipped with an Evolution Stone, Oddish takes on the role of a bulky sweeper. If you decide to run an Evolution Stone, an EV spread of 156 HP / 236 SpA / 116 Spe with a Modest nature is recommended. This spread gives Oddish added bulk while maximizing its Special Attack. You should also make use of Synthesis for recovery if you choose this spread.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Oddish is a terrific sun sweeper, and fits nicely on any sun team. Its Toxic typing is very useful because many common Pokemon in Little Cup do not like being Poisoned. Because of this, Poison-type Pokemon have a nice niche in the metagame. (This is team options, and shouldn't be talking about Oddish's benefits.) Stealth Rock support is appreciated from Pokemon such as Gligar to weaken pPokemon, mainly Murkrow, giving Oddish an easier time sweeping. It Stealth Rock is also useful for beating Snover, as it takes 25% every time it comes in to induce hail. Bulky Gligar can easily lay down Stealth Rock. It can use Gligar can utilize Toxic to badly poison sun counters too;, notably Murkrow and Hippopotas. Vulpix sets up sun for Oddish and threatens to OHKO Snover with Fire Blast and Bburn or put Hippopotas to sleep with Will-o-Wisp Will-O-Wisp and Hypnosis respectively. Fighting-types like Kofujuu Mienfoo and Zurrugu Scraggy are also good partners because they can counter Munchlax and Lickitung, who sponge Oddish's special attacks with ease. Wynaut makes a great teammate too. It too, since it has the ability to trap Snover which is the biggest counter to sun sweepers.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Oddish has a shallow movepool, and has but a few other options. Hidden Power Ice can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire to OHKO Gligar, but then you lose the ability to hit Steel-type Pokemon such as Bronzor and Ferroseed. Oddish could run a Sword Dance set, however it's though its Attack is rather low, and its physical movepool is quite shallow consists consisting of Petal Dance and Double Edge. A SubSeed set is somewhat viable with sun support, however Oddish is outclassed as a SubSeeder by Mommen Cottonee, who has Mischeivous Heart, and does not require sun support.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Snover is the number one counter to any sun sweeper. he Snover can come in as you use SolarBeam, induce hail, and make you charge the move up. You are now trapped, and Snover can kill OHKO you with 100% accuracy bBlizzard thanks to Snow Warning. If you can predict a Snover switch-in however, you Oddish can OHKO it with Hidden Power Fire. Hippopotas can stop the sun and half your speed change the weather as well thanks to Sand Stream. You can put it to sleep with Sleep Powder though. Lickitung and Munchlax sponge Oddish's powerful special attacks with their high Special Defense stats. Both can set up Curses against Oddish, and Munchlax can threaten to OHKO it with Fire Punch. Murkrow resists SolarBeam, and lives Sludge Bomb and Hidden Power Fire, while threatening to OHKO with Brave Bird or Heat Wave.</p>

[Dream World]
<p>Oddish has gained the Run Away ability from Dream World. Unfortunately, it is useless. Chlorophyll is the best ability Oddish could ask for anyway most beneficial ability Oddish can use.</p>

 

[(makeup)]

you don't need a DW section; oddish has already been released.

 

[Fatecrashers]

jubilee is doin it right

 

[Rakan]

minor nitpick, you include petal dance as a physical attacking option in the OC but its actually a special move...

 

[(makeup)]

Minor nitpick, but SolarBeam doesn't have a Base Power of 180. STAB doesn't affect the base power; it's still 120, it just has 180 power because of the STAB boost.

 

[Darkamber8828]

Swablu a pretty good counter. It even has Natural Cure for SP.

You should probably talk about how Lickitung has Cloud Nine, in counters. Because that's why it counters Oddish. Cloud Nine.

Also where's Giga Drain ._.

 

[Moo]

Applied the changes, thanks =)

Also Darkamber, Swablu can't run Cloud Nine and Natural Cure at once.

 

[TheFemaleTyrouge]

Swablu a pretty good counter. It even has Natural Cure for SP.

You should probably talk about how Lickitung has Cloud Nine, in counters. Because that's why it counters Oddish. Cloud Nine.

Also where's Giga Drain ._.

Applied the changes, thanks =)

Also Darkamber, Swablu can't run Cloud Nine and Natural Cure at once.

he doest mention them learning both at once. He says Licktung is a counter because of Cloud Nine

 

[Moo]

Taking that bit out, just found out Swablu is 2hko'd by sludge bomb after Stealth rock damage.

 

[Darkamber8828]

Also Darkamber, Swablu can't run Cloud Nine and Natural Cure at once.

FFF

Its Toxic typing is very useful because many common Pokemon in Little Cup do not like being Poisoned. Because of this, Poison-type Pokemon have a nice niche in the metagame.

"Poison"

It is also a little bulkier

you forgot the a

Sleep Powder is a great asset to this set, allowing Oddish to put a member of the opponents team to sleep

opponent's

Sleep Powder's prime use is to put the opponents sun counters to sleep, should he carry any.

That bolded part is unneeded.

accuracy Blizzard thanks to Snow Warning. If you can predict a Snover switch-in however, Oddish can OHKO Snover with Hidden Power Fire. Hippopotas can change the weather thanks to Sand Stream and half your speed.

"halve"

For that matter, Oddish can run Toxic to get around Munchlax, Lickitung, Gligar, Hippo, etc. OC mention?

 

[Moo]

Made the changes, thanks.

Eh, it's better at just attacking tbh, needs all the moveslots it can.

 

[(makeup)]

proofread

blue is in
red is out
bold is a small edit

[box][Overview]

<p>Oddish is the most powerful and cutest Chlorophyll user in Little Cup, reaching 17 Special Attack with a neutral nature, or 18 with a positive nature. Oddish is arguably the best Chlorophyll sweepers in LC due to its higher Special Attack and bulk than other Chlorophyll sweepers. It is, however, one of the slowest Chlorophyll users. Oddish is one of the best Sun Sweeper in Little Cup because of its high Special Attack stat and double STAB Grass and Poison combination {I'd recommend just taking this out since you already mentioned it's the best, and Grass/Poison sucks}. It is also a little bulkier than most other sun sweepers. Its immunity to Toxic is very useful because many common Pokemon in Little Cup do not like being Poisoned. Because of this, Oddish and other Poison-type Pokemon have a nice niche in the metagame.<space></p>

[SET]
name: Sun Special Attacker {Since there's no physical attacker (thankfully) this should probably be renamed}
move 1: SolarBeam
move 2: Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Sludge Bomb
move 4: Sleep Powder / Sunny Day

item: Life Orb
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ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 240 SpA / 200 Spe
ivs: 0 hp

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set is your standard sun sweeper set. However Oddish is a little bulkier and has more Special Attack than other sun sweepers. Chlorophyll doubles Oddish's Speed giving it a speed stat of 26, outspeeding all but a handful of Choice Scarf users;, namely Gligar, Murkrow and Misdreavus to name a few. With a Life Orb, Oddish reaches 22 Special Attack, making it the most powerful sun sweeper in Little Cup {No it doesn't. Life Orb doesn't boost Special Attack, it boosts the power of the move used by x1.3}. 0 HP IVs gives Oddish 19 HP, which means Oddish only takes 1 damage from Life Orb recoil. SolarBeam hits in one turn because of sun and thanks to STAB, has a massive Base power of 180. This will hit anything that doesn't resist it extremely hard, except for a select few special sponges such as Lickitung and Munchlax. Hidden Power Fire is Oddish's secondary attack, and gets a x1.5x boost from the sun, giving it a Base power of 105 {Again, its base power is still 70, its boosted power is 105.}. This is Oddish's only attack that hits Steel-type Pokemon, as they resist SolarBeam, and are immune to Sludge Bomb. It is also useful against Grass-type Pokemon too, as many of them have Poison as their secondary type, namely Bulbasaur, Bellsprout, Oddish, and Budew. Sludge Bomb is Oddish's second most powerful attack other than SolarBeam. Coverage-wise, it hits Fire and Dragon types, and it can be used outside of sun which is useful in certain situations. Sleep Powder is a great asset to this set, allowing Oddish to put a member of the opponent's team to sleep and take free shots at them, and fire off powerful attacks. It is always useful to have an opposing Pokemon useless. Sleep Powder's prime use is to put the opponents sun counters to sleep, should he or she carry any. {didn't you already say this two sentences ago? and last sentence again?}</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Attacking-wise, there isn't much else that Oddish can run on the set, as the moves listed are its best options. However, there are a few alternatives that you can run in the last slot. Sunny Day can be used if you want to replenish the sun, should your Vulpix get KOd. Stun Spore can be used to cut the speed of faster Pokemon. Synthesis can be used for reliable recovery in the sun. When equipped with an Evolution Stone, Oddish takes on the role of a bulky sweeper. If you decide to run an Evolution Stone, an EV spread of 156 HP / 236 SpA / 116 Spe with a Modest nature is recommended. This spread gives Oddish added bulk while maximizing its Special Attack. You should also make use of Synthesis for recovery if you chose this spread.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Oddish is a terrific sun sweeper, and fits nicely on any sun team. Stealth Rock support is appreciated to weaken pokemon Flying-types, mainly Murkrow, giving Oddish an easier time sweeping from Pokemon such as Gligar. Stealth Rock is also useful for beating Snover, as it takes 25% every time it comes in to induce hail. Gligar can utilize Toxic to badly poison sun counters too, notably Murkrow and Hippopotas. Vulpix sets up sun for Oddish and threatens to OHKO Snover with Fire Blast and burn or put Hippopotas to sleep with Will-O-Wisp and Hypnosis, respectively. Fighting-types like such as Mienfoo {I think this might be spelled wrong} and Scraggy are also good partners because they can counter Munchlax and Lickitung, who sponge Oddish's special attacks with ease. Wynaut makes a great teammate too, since has the ability to trap Snover, which is the biggest counter to sun sweepers.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Oddish has a shallow movepool, and has but a few other options. Hidden Power Ice can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire to OHKO Gligar, but then you lose the ability to hit Steel-type Pokemon such as Bronzor and Ferroseed. Oddish could run a Sword Dance set, though its Attack is rather low, and its physical movepool is quite shallow, consisting of Seed Bomb and Double Edge. A SubSeed set is somewhat viable with sun support; however but Oddish is outclassed as a SubSeeder by Cottonee, who has Mischievous Heart, and does not require sun support.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Snover is the number one counter to any sun sweeper. Snover can come in as you use SolarBeam, induce hail, and make you charge the move up. You are Oddish is now trapped, and Snover can OHKO you it with 100% accuracy Blizzard thanks to hail Snow Warning. If you can predict a Snover switch-in, however, Oddish can OHKO Snover with Hidden Power Fire. Hippopotas can change the weather thanks to Sand Stream and halve your Oddish's Speed. You Oddish can put it to sleep with Sleep Powder though. Lickitung and Munchlax sponge Oddish's powerful special attacks with their high Special Defense stats. Both can set up Curses against Oddish, and Munchlax can threaten to OHKO it with Fire Punch. Murkrow resists SolarBeam, lives Sludge Bomb and Hidden Power Fire, and threatens to OHKO with Brave Bird or Heat Wave.</p>

[Dream World]
<p>Oddish has gained the Run Away ability from Dream World. Unfortunately, it is useless. Chlorophyll is Oddish's most beneficial ability.</p> {for the third time, Oddish is released in DW}[/box]

 

[Moo]

Thanks charmander :)

 

[Chou Toshio]

Yeah, good job charmander

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