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Official Smogon University Simulator Statistics — December 2012

Discussion in 'BW Competitive Discussion' started by Antar, Jan 2, 2013.

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  1. Antar

    Antar That's Dr. Antar to you
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    For the record, if you subtract the 30% of Emboars that carried Sticky Barb and the 35% of Amoonguss with DeepSeaScale, neither would have made it to RU.

    The others I think would have risen regardless.
  2. Lunanight

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    *Sees Chansey dropping*

    Oh I'm going to enjoy UU a bit more now.

    Not surprised Absol is now RU. Its a powerhouse and can sweep teams if done right. However, I am surprised nothing rose to OU. Not even one Pokemon rose.

    I think I'd be playing some UU Hail over on Pokemon Showdown. Hail is meh, but its UU's only insta-weather so yeah. Perhaps Stallrein could rise in usage now with insta-hail coming to UU. Times like this make me glad Snow Cloak is banned...otherwise I would be dreading Abomasnow's drop. But yeah, Abomasnow ought to be fun to use.

    BTW...people used Sticky Barb Emboar and DeepSeaScale Amoonguss!? Even that Evilolite Metang was usable since Evilolite did help Metang greatly, but those two Pokemon...those items do nothing for them. They'd be better off with even just holding a Lum Berry.

    Off-topic rant about BL (open)
    On a completely off-topic thing, just why is Staraptor of all things BL? Its Staraptor. Its SR weak, predictable as hell since it only has one good set (Choice Band), and is quickly dispatched by Raikou who outspeeds and OHKOs with Volt Switch/Thunderbolt/HP Ice. And Gothetelle/Wobbufett...lets be real here. Shadow Tag is the ONLY reason they are in BL. Why is a Pokemon instantly BL because of Shadow Tag? That ability alone isn't broken, but the one with the ability is what makes it that good. Hell, I bet when Chandy gets Shadow Tag, it would go to BL or OU as well purely because apparently, Shadow Tag is broken in UU. Um, this is the same tier with heavy-hitters like Mew, Azelf, Zapdos, Herracross, Arcanine, etc in it. I am sure Shadow Tag isn't too broken for UU. IMO, its not too good for UU. ST however, is too good for RU or NU. Shadow Tag should only see the light of day in UU, OU, and Ubers IMO.

    I mentioned this over on Pojo, but I liken Shadow Tag to the game mechanic in Yugioh which lets you skip your opponent's draw phase. There are balanced alternatives (Arena Trap and Magnet Pull, the card 'Fenir' applies for Yugioh) and anything else (Shadow Tag for Pokemon, and then Yata-Garasu and Time Seal for Yugioh) is hated on.

    If that was tl;dr, here is how its summed up: Staraptor should be allowed in UU if it doesn't have Reckless as its ability. Gothetelle and Wobbufett should be UU with Shadow Tag, and Kyurem...okay, THAT can stay in BL since it literally has higher BST than everything outside of Ubers which isn't Kyurem-B.
  3. SHUCKLE MAN

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    Chansey dropping to UU is sure to cause melt-downs. Although I really think the UU metagame has developed be be far more unfriendly to Chansey than last time she was there, so it might not be too much to worry about like last time. It will still shake things up though.
  4. Master of the Six Kings

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    Let's get crackin on +/-'s.

    Meinshao and Victini crashing their way into the top 10 and Landorus Therian over taking the shadow of his Incarnite form, along with a health boost for big threats like Tornadus-T, Keldeo, KyuB, Yanmega, Honckrow and PZ. Cool stuff from OU-UU, working on RU now.

    Well, Cress shifts into top 2 comfortably while Durant tears his way right under top 10. Fighting Pokemon suffer a bit, while Spiritomb and Absol see inflation to try and combat Cress. RU is pretty interesting, although the last few increases are likely the work of trolls =/

    OU (open)

    Code:
     | 1    | Scizor             | 184871 | 19.225% | 148224 | 19.058% | +4
     | 2    | Politoed           | 174969 | 18.195% | 160722 | 20.665% | 
     | 3    | Ferrothorn         | 159378 | 16.574% | 138075 | 17.753% | 
     | 4    | Dragonite          | 152726 | 15.882% | 119202 | 15.327% | 
     | 5    | Heatran            | 135058 | 14.045% | 111131 | 14.289% | +1
     | 6    | Jirachi            | 129003 | 13.415% | 106988 | 13.756% | +5
     | 7    | Tyranitar          | 117591 | 12.229% | 102201 | 13.141% | +2
     | 8    | Breloom            | 116531 | 12.118% | 93079  | 11.968% | 
     | 9    | Garchomp           | 112127 | 11.660% | 86260  | 11.091% | -2
     | 10   | Rotom-Wash         | 110533 | 11.495% | 95702  | 12.305% | +3
     | 11   | Gengar             | 109610 | 11.399% | 86311  | 11.098% | +1
     | 12   | Starmie            | 105038 | 10.923% | 82212  | 10.571% | +2
     | 13   | Latios             | 101874 | 10.594% | 79978  | 10.283% | +4
     | 14   | Terrakion          | 101150 | 10.519% | 75184  |  9.667% | -4
     | 15   | Gliscor            | 97943  | 10.185% | 78015  | 10.031% | 
     | 16   | Forretress         | 92761  |  9.646% | 79354  | 10.203% | +4
     | 17   | Ninetales          | 91789  |  9.545% | 83720  | 10.764% | +1
     | 18   | Salamence          | 88705  |  9.225% | 67014  |  8.616% | -2
     | 19   | Alakazam           | 85895  |  8.932% | 65560  |  8.430% | +5
     | 20   | Cloyster           | 85567  |  8.898% | 66178  |  8.509% | -1
     | 21   | Tornadus-Therian   | 82446  |  8.574% | 64747  |  8.325% | +8
     | 22   | Tentacruel         | 80466  |  8.368% | 64534  |  8.298% | +3
     | 23   | Espeon             | 80284  |  8.349% | 63299  |  8.139% | 
     | 24   | Volcarona          | 79905  |  8.310% | 61591  |  7.919% | -3
     | 25   | Infernape          | 78792  |  8.194% | 63837  |  8.208% | -3
     | 26   | Keldeo             | 72344  |  7.523% | 55916  |  7.190% | [U]+14[/U]
     | 27   | Mamoswine          | 70106  |  7.290% | 56066  |  7.209% | +3
     | 28   | Skarmory           | 69974  |  7.277% | 59493  |  7.649% | -2
     | 29   | Venusaur           | 66676  |  6.934% | 51409  |  6.610% | -1
     | 30   | Jolteon            | 66660  |  6.932% | 54013  |  6.945% | +1
     | 31   | Gyarados           | 64579  |  6.716% | 51977  |  6.683% | +4
     | 32   | Deoxys-Defense     | 63787  |  6.633% | 58405  |  7.510% | 
     | 33   | Thundurus-Therian  | 63029  |  6.555% | 50037  |  6.434% | +4
     | 34   | Kyurem-Black       | 62560  |  6.506% | 47664  |  6.128% | [U]+11[/U]
     | 35   | Blissey            | 60887  |  6.332% | 47404  |  6.095% | -8
     | 36   | Jellicent          | 60178  |  6.258% | 49317  |  6.341% | -3
     | 37   | Lucario            | 60138  |  6.254% | 46013  |  5.916% | -1
     | 38   | Hydreigon          | 60001  |  6.240% | 47213  |  6.071% | +3
     | 39   | Vaporeon           | 57231  |  5.952% | 45004  |  5.786% | -5
     | 40   | Conkeldurr         | 54860  |  5.705% | 43437  |  5.585% | -2
     | 41   | Donphan            | 54364  |  5.653% | 45680  |  5.873% | +1
     | 42   | Magnezone          | 52953  |  5.507% | 42550  |  5.471% | +1
     | 43   | Landorus-Therian   | 52528  |  5.463% | 45230  |  5.816% | +7
     | 44   | Metagross          | 52352  |  5.444% | 43279  |  5.565% | +2
     | 45   | Landorus           | 51803  |  5.387% | 40504  |  5.208% | -6
     | 46   | Latias             | 51380  |  5.343% | 40249  |  5.175% | -2
     | 47   | Celebi             | 49069  |  5.103% | 40309  |  5.183% | +5
     | 48   | Toxicroak          | 45290  |  4.710% | 34728  |  4.465% | +1
     | 49   | Haxorus            | 44987  |  4.678% | 34224  |  4.400% | -2
     | 50   | Reuniclus          | 39309  |  4.088% | 30793  |  3.959% | +1
     | 51   | Gastrodon          | 37968  |  3.948% | 30926  |  3.976% | +2
     | 52   | Dugtrio            | 37025  |  3.850% | 29513  |  3.795% | -4
     | 53   | Hippowdon          | 35807  |  3.724% | 32520  |  4.181% | +2
     | 54   | Chansey            | 31973  |  3.325% | 25572  |  3.288% | 
     | 55   | Abomasnow          | 31016  |  3.225% | 27926  |  3.591% | +2
     | 56   | Ninjask            | 28609  |  2.975% | 25790  |  3.316% | 
     | 57   | Victini            | 26260  |  2.731% | 21225  |  2.729% | +4
     | 58   | Weavile            | 26108  |  2.715% | 20574  |  2.645% | +8
     | 59   | Kingdra            | 25646  |  2.667% | 19909  |  2.560% | +3
     | 60   | Sableye            | 25137  |  2.614% | 21541  |  2.770% | -2
     | 61   | Bronzong           | 24112  |  2.507% | 21328  |  2.742% | +3

    UU (open)

    Code:
    | 1    | Heracross          | 33437  | 19.681% | 25977  | 18.349% | 
     | 2    | Chandelure         | 29641  | 17.447% | 24581  | 17.363% | 
     | 3    | Blastoise          | 28119  | 16.551% | 23935  | 16.906% | 
     | 4    | Roserade           | 25848  | 15.214% | 21268  | 15.022% | 
     | 5    | Mienshao           | 25371  | 14.933% | 21072  | 14.884% | [U]+10[/U]
     | 6    | Snorlax            | 24092  | 14.181% | 20232  | 14.291% | 
     | 7    | Bronzong           | 23965  | 14.106% | 21969  | 15.518% | -2
     | 8    | Zapdos             | 22179  | 13.055% | 18573  | 13.119% | 
     | 9    | Flygon             | 21999  | 12.949% | 17926  | 12.662% | +1
     | 10   | Victini            | 21573  | 12.698% | 17929  | 12.664% | [U]+15[/U]
     | 11   | Darmanitan         | 21540  | 12.678% | 17696  | 12.499% | -2
     | 12   | Kingdra            | 20951  | 12.332% | 16922  | 11.953% | +4
     | 13   | Raikou             | 20679  | 12.172% | 16764  | 11.841% | -2
     | 14   | Arcanine           | 20373  | 11.992% | 17083  | 12.066% | -2
     | 15   | Gligar             | 20141  | 11.855% | 17727  | 12.521% | +2
     | 16   | Ambipom            | 20014  | 11.780% | 17601  | 12.432% | +3
     | 17   | Hitmontop          | 19641  | 11.561% | 16474  | 11.636% | -4
     | 18   | Nidoking           | 18829  | 11.083% | 14967  | 10.572% | [U]-11[/U]
     | 19   | Crobat             | 18632  | 10.967% | 16253  | 11.480% | -1 
     | 20   | Umbreon            | 17506  | 10.304% | 14594  | 10.308% | 
     | 21   | Swampert           | 15552  |  9.154% | 14046  |  9.921% | +1
     | 22   | Mew                | 15335  |  9.026% | 13024  |  9.199% | -8
     | 23   | Rhyperior          | 15288  |  8.999% | 13159  |  9.295% | +9
     | 24   | Togekiss           | 15069  |  8.870% | 12536  |  8.855% | -3
     | 25   | Sableye            | 15002  |  8.830% | 13292  |  9.389% | +1
     | 26   | Azelf              | 13957  |  8.215% | 12241  |  8.646% | +3
     | 27   | Cofagrigus         | 13851  |  8.153% | 11760  |  8.307% | +1
     | 28   | Slowbro            | 13823  |  8.136% | 11344  |  8.013% | -5
     | 29   | Porygon2           | 13281  |  7.817% | 11056  |  7.809% | -5
     | 30   | Azumarill          | 13217  |  7.780% | 10900  |  7.699% | +1
     | 31   | Honchkrow          | 13083  |  7.701% | 10129  |  7.155% | +8
     | 32   | Scrafty            | 12597  |  7.415% | 10399  |  7.345% | -2
     | 33   | Weavile            | 12491  |  7.352% | 10071  |  7.114% | +1
     | 34   | Porygon-Z          | 12053  |  7.094% | 9582   |  6.768% | +8
     | 35   | Milotic            | 12026  |  7.079% | 10030  |  7.085% | -8
     | 36   | Shaymin            | 11875  |  6.990% | 9597   |  6.779% | -1
     | 37   | Yanmega            | 11768  |  6.927% | 9672   |  6.832% | [U]+11[/U]
     | 38   | Xatu               | 11655  |  6.860% | 9779   |  6.907% | -1
     | 39   | Sharpedo           | 11487  |  6.761% | 8962   |  6.330% | [U]+16[/U]
     | 40   | Claydol            | 10949  |  6.445% | 9416   |  6.651% | -4
     | 41   | Froslass           | 10872  |  6.399% | 9763   |  6.896% | +3
     | 42   | Empoleon           | 10841  |  6.381% | 9437   |  6.666% | -9
     | 43   | Machamp            | 10839  |  6.380% | 8985   |  6.346% | -5
     | 44   | Cobalion           | 10371  |  6.104% | 8892   |  6.281% | -1
     | 45   | Suicune            | 9964   |  5.865% | 8421   |  5.948% | 
     | 46   | Bisharp            | 9869   |  5.809% | 8020   |  5.665% | -5
     | 47   | Registeel          | 9004   |  5.300% | 7973   |  5.632% | -1
     | 48   | Dusclops           | 8935   |  5.259% | 7740   |  5.467% | +1
     | 49   | Zoroark            | 8849   |  5.209% | 4019   |  2.839% | -9
     | 50   | Rotom-Heat         | 8449   |  4.973% | 7509   |  5.304% | +3
     | 51   | Virizion           | 8375   |  4.930% | 6825   |  4.821% | +1
     | 52   | Meloetta           | 7896   |  4.648% | 6221   |  4.394% | -1
     | 53   | Krookodile         | 7787   |  4.583% | 6188   |  4.371% | -6
     | 54   | Mismagius          | 7485   |  4.406% | 6068   |  4.286% | 
     | 55   | Tornadus           | 7074   |  4.164% | 5908   |  4.173% | -5
     | 56   | Houndoom           | 6527   |  3.842% | 5282   |  3.731% | 
     | 57   | Nidoqueen          | 4395   |  2.587% | 3773   |  2.665% | [U]+14[/U]
     | 58   | Venomoth           | 4293   |  2.527% | 3637   |  2.569% | [U]+16[/U]
     | 59   | Cresselia          | 3390   |  1.995% | 2763   |  1.952% | 
     | 60   | Whimsicott         | 2906   |  1.710% | 2438   |  1.722% | +9
     | 61   | Sceptile           | 2892   |  1.702% | 2277   |  1.608% | -1

    RU (open)

    Code:
     | 1    | Nidoqueen          | 10711  | 20.017% | 8827   | 20.210% | 
     | 2    | Slowking           | 8498   | 15.881% | 6851   | 15.686% | +1
     | 3    | Cresselia          | 7849   | 14.668% | 6398   | 14.648% | +9
     | 4    | Entei              | 7747   | 14.478% | 6155   | 14.092% | +2
     | 5    | Sceptile           | 7607   | 14.216% | 5850   | 13.394% | -3
     | 6    | Gallade            | 7376   | 13.784% | 5819   | 13.323% | -2
     | 7    | Sandslash          | 6952   | 12.992% | 5856   | 13.408% | +3
     | 8    | Uxie               | 6915   | 12.923% | 6283   | 14.385% | -3
     | 9    | Spiritomb          | 6160   | 11.512% | 5127   | 11.738% | +5
     | 10   | Typhlosion         | 6135   | 11.465% | 4981   | 11.404% | -2
     | 11   | Durant             | 5496   | 10.271% | 4286   |  9.813% | [I][U]+33![/U][/I]
     | 12   | Kabutops           | 5366   | 10.028% | 4165   |  9.536% | +4
     | 13   | Druddigon          | 5324   |  9.950% | 4522   | 10.353% | [U]+18[/U]
     | 14   | Tangrowth          | 5253   |  9.817% | 4185   |  9.582% | -1
     | 15   | Galvantula         | 5206   |  9.729% | 4103   |  9.394% | -8
     | 16   | Feraligatr         | 5128   |  9.583% | 4048   |  9.268% | -1
     | 17   | Lanturn            | 5128   |  9.583% | 4242   |  9.712% | +2
     | 18   | Clefable           | 5095   |  9.522% | 4070   |  9.318% | +4
     | 19   | Aerodactyl         | 5038   |  9.415% | 4542   | 10.399% | [U]-10[/U]
     | 20   | Cryogonal          | 5007   |  9.357% | 3748   |  8.581% | +8
     | 21   | Hitmonlee          | 4896   |  9.150% | 3781   |  8.657% | [U]-10[/U]
     | 22   | Magmortar          | 4885   |  9.129% | 3890   |  8.906% | -4
     | 23   | Aggron             | 4881   |  9.122% | 3876   |  8.874% | -3
     | 24   | Lilligant          | 4693   |  8.770% | 3539   |  8.103% | +2
     | 25   | Sigilyph           | 4565   |  8.531% | 3549   |  8.126% | -2
     | 26   | Accelgor           | 4436   |  8.290% | 3754   |  8.595% | -5
     | 27   | Hitmonchan         | 4420   |  8.260% | 3576   |  8.187% | -3
     | 28   | Escavalier         | 4272   |  7.984% | 3481   |  7.970% | +4
     | 29   | Dusknoir           | 4164   |  7.782% | 3470   |  7.945% | [U]-12[/U]
     | 30   | Steelix            | 3856   |  7.206% | 3406   |  7.798% | -3
     | 31   | Moltres            | 3829   |  7.156% | 3130   |  7.166% | -2
     | 32   | Drapion            | 3813   |  7.126% | 3203   |  7.333% | -7
     | 33   | Crawdaunt          | 3795   |  7.092% | 2924   |  6.695% | -3
     | 34   | Absol              | 3791   |  7.085% | 2907   |  6.656% | [U]+17[/U]
     | 35   | Qwilfish           | 3791   |  7.085% | 3310   |  7.578% | +4
     | 36   | Rotom-Mow          | 3781   |  7.066% | 3225   |  7.384% |-3 
     | 37   | Manectric          | 3699   |  6.913% | 3074   |  7.038% | 
     | 38   | Whimsicott         | 3682   |  6.881% | 3093   |  7.082% | +2
     | 39   | Snover             | 3630   |  6.784% | 3522   |  8.064% | New
     | 40   | Archeops           | 3358   |  6.275% | 2737   |  6.266% | -6
     | 41   | Smeargle           | 3298   |  6.163% | 3054   |  6.992% | -5
     | 42   | Cinccino           | 3249   |  6.072% | 2792   |  6.392% | [U]+12[/U]
     | 43   | Rotom              | 3178   |  5.939% | 2648   |  6.063% | -5
     | 44   | Electivire         | 3167   |  5.919% | 2464   |  5.641% | -9
     | 45   | Crustle            | 3090   |  5.775% | 2735   |  6.262% | -2
     | 46   | Medicham           | 2976   |  5.562% | 2339   |  5.355% | -4
     | 47   | Poliwrath          | 2879   |  5.380% | 2383   |  5.456% | +1
     | 48   | Scyther            | 2845   |  5.317% | 2255   |  5.163% | -1
     | 49   | Mesprit            | 2700   |  5.046% | 2431   |  5.566% | +9
     | 50   | Munchlax           | 2624   |  4.904% | 2076   |  4.753% | +5
     | 51   | Hariyama           | 2621   |  4.898% | 2170   |  4.968% | +6
     | 52   | Ferroseed          | 2603   |  4.865% | 2288   |  5.238% | [U]-11[/U]
     | 53   | Scolipede          | 2592   |  4.844% | 2199   |  5.035% | +7
     | 54   | Klinklang          | 2572   |  4.807% | 2037   |  4.664% | -1
     | 55   | Emboar             | 2448   |  4.575% | 1975   |  4.522% | +7
     | 56   | Bouffalant         | 2435   |  4.551% | 1923   |  4.403% | [U]-10[/U]
     | 57   | Magneton           | 2429   |  4.539% | 1947   |  4.458% | [U]-12[/U]
     | 58   | Quagsire           | 2398   |  4.481% | 2023   |  4.632% | -8
     | 59   | Rhydon             | 2225   |  4.158% | 1959   |  4.485% | -3
     | 60   | Mandibuzz          | 2199   |  4.110% | 1793   |  4.105% | -8
     | 61   | Omastar            | 2142   |  4.003% | 1644   |  3.764% | [U]-12[/U]
     | 62   | Amoonguss          | 2129   |  3.979% | 1759   |  4.027% | -1
  5. Antar

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    The person who was using those Pokemon wasn't trying to win any battles. Let's just leave it at that.
  6. Dark Fallen Angel

    Dark Fallen Angel FIDDLESTICKS IS ALSO GOOD ON MID!

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    I am only surprised that Scizor managed to be the first of all Pokémon used on OU (instead of Politoed). Why this is happening? I don't even see as many Scizor as I used to be (even though Genesect was banned).

    My only problem with this list, as of now, is that Chansey is going to drop to UU... At least Keldeo is starting to have the usage that it deserves to have.
  7. DoABarrelRoll

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    I will give out my opinion on ou.

    | 1 | Scizor | 184871 | 19.225% | 148224 | 19.058% |
    No wonder scizor is #1 now that genesect is gone

    | 7 | Tyranitar | 117591 | 12.229% | 102201 | 13.141% |
    I thought this thing would go in top 5 with the ban of genesect

    | 18 | Salamence | 88705 | 9.225% | 67014 | 8.616% |
    mence was a lot higher, wtf happened to him?

    | 34 | Kyurem-Black | 62560 | 6.506% | 47664 | 6.128% |
    OK so UU's biggest fear is over. for now at least

    | 54 | Chansey | 31973 | 3.325% | 25572 | 3.288% |
    Chansey will probably become BL

    | 57 | Victini | 26260 | 2.731% | 21225 | 2.729% |
    | 58 | Weavile | 26108 | 2.715% | 20574 | 2.645% |
    | 59 | Kingdra | 25646 | 2.667% | 19909 | 2.560% |
    | 60 | Sableye | 25137 | 2.614% | 21541 | 2.770% |
    These guys can break into OU range any moment.

    | 69 | Charizard | 19199 | 1.997% | 15230 | 1.958% |
    | 70 | Smeargle | 19164 | 1.993% | 16401 | 2.109% |
    | 71 | Snorlax | 18471 | 1.921% | 14811 | 1.904% |
    | 72 | Togekiss | 17818 | 1.853% | 14071 | 1.809% |
    | 73 | Zapdos | 17526 | 1.823% | 14474 | 1.861% |
    | 74 | Xatu | 16633 | 1.730% | 13790 | 1.773% |
    | 75 | Darmanitan | 16615 | 1.728% | 13195 | 1.697% |
    | 76 | Staraptor | 16217 | 1.686% | 13317 | 1.712% |
    | 77 | Heracross | 15154 | 1.576% | 11679 | 1.502% |
    What?
  8. Rayquaza_

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    And obligatory "Do you even have the slightiest idea of what you're saying?" post.

    You can count on one hand the things that check Cloyster in the rain after a SS boost, which are mostly the same that check Tornadus-T, minus Ice Shard users. Tornadus-T, the thing that has been suspect tested for ubers.
    Also, unlike Tornadus-T and Keldeo, Cloyster isn't 100% reliant on rain to function.

    As long as things like Gliscor, Salamence and Garchomp are high in usage, so will Cloyster.
    It has enough advantages over Mamoswine to justify its high usage (mainly not being weak to water and Bullet Punch, being able to take SE fighting attacks with its disgustingly high defense and being able to setup and sweep) and it can play as an effective offensive rapid spinner in hail and sun teams, both of which are not ideal envirorments for Starmie.

    Like it or not, as long as a third of OU is weak to ice, Cloyster is going to be around.
  9. cim

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    Chansey and Abomasnow, but no Metagross? Shit, UU will be... Interesting.
  10. TROP

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    I think you should take your own advice, because it has been proven many times that Keldeo doesn't need rain at all. Mamos does the job of slaying dragons way better without needing to set up, and the "advantages" you said are not really relevant because after a smash scizor is killing Cloyster if took SR damage while surviving any attack not called Hydro Pump, and only LO Hydro Pump has hopes of beating Scizor. Any rain boosted water attack stronger than Tentacruel's scald will kill or come close to at worst after Stealth Rock damage. Weaker ones out of rain still 2hko like they do to Mamos after Stealth Rock damage and a smash/ like 10% of prior damage that is not hard at all.

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    Well this is interesting! Four staple Pokemon in NU have been promoted (cue the cheering for Cinccino out of NU).

    The Victini and Mienshao move don't deter me a bit in UU. It seems that Heracross definitely defines UU, completely changing the UU metagame and possibly forcing mainstays such as Empoleon to the verge of RU. A test could be awaiting for Heracross imo.

    Scizor in OU. Doesn't surprise me with Genesect out. Just shows Rain being ridiculously dominant as usual, not that I have a problem with it...
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    | 69 | Charizard | 19199 | 1.997% | 15230 | 1.958% |
    | 70 | Smeargle | 19164 | 1.993% | 16401 | 2.109% |
    Why dis

    | 81 | Linoone | 2.530% |
    | 82 | Regigigas | 2.506% |
    NO NO NO
    Rant (open)

    WHY THE HELL IS LINOONE ABOVE REGIGIGAS
    REGIGIGAS IS A FREAKING WALL
    AND LINOONE GETS WRECKED BY EVERYTHING
    IF LINOONE TAKES A HIT ITS DEAD
    AND REGIGIGAS LAUGHS AND BEATS LINOONE DOWN
    THIS IS WRONG
    JUST WRONG
    DISGUSTING

    We need to raise awareness. People seem to forget Regigigas exists. Despite Slow Start.

    Also, all hail king of OU! [​IMG]
    We should ban Scizor for fun, and see what Pokémon get a boost. :3 (although I do use Scizor a lot...)
  13. typon77

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    No. Please no. Staraptor was undisputedly broken when it was in UU. Being SR weak didn't mean anything, because Staraptor could still reliably kill 2-3 things on the opponents team before it KO'd itself. Secondly, Band is not "Staraptor's only good set", its actually the least effective of Staraptors common sets. Scarf is vastly superior in most circumstances, as it can outspeed and OHKO basically everything on offense thanks to Reckless, and still hit like a nuke against many defensive threats. Scarf Staraptor can 2HKO things like offensive Slowbro (which is becoming more popular), and even has a chance to 2HKO Physically Defensive Milotic after SR (Not a relevant threat, just a testament to Staraptor's power on neutral threats). The fact that a physical scarfer is doing this much to such bulky pokemon deserves a ban in my book. And if you really want to destroy stall, use SubRoost with a Sharp Beak or Lefties instead of Choice Band. You eliminate most of the predicting needed and proceed to 2HKO whatever switches in with its insane 2 move coverage. And it can heal off recoil damage so it lasts longer. Staraptor was banned as early as it was for a reason
  14. ScraftyIsTheBest

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    Antar, thank you for these stats once more!

    My Thoughts on these tier shifts:

    NOOO! Roselia dropped! Damnit!

    But hey, four Pokemon each moved up to RU. Absol and the chinchilla were expected, but yay Amoonguss and Enboar! You made it in time! (I'm kinda surprised, but yay for them.)

    Yay I did it! I got Chansey to exit OU! (I don't need to rant about that thing anymore, goddamnit.)

    But no, Obamasnow and Roselia have dropped. This makes me cry.

    Amoonguss and Emboar rising to RU were both more than well deserved. The fact that they both are amazing in the tier makes it a good thing. And Absol surely has a well deserved run as well.

    So yeah, I'm sad Aboma and Rose dropped (I'm literally almost crying over them, no joke), but I'm also happy that Absol, Cinccino, Amoonguss, and Emboar moved up and that Chansey dropped.

    That's all I have to say.
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    Chansey going to BL is inevitable since the, IMO at least, immature people who cry that its too good for UU. If Chansey is too good for UU, then you suck at team building. Close Combat Arcanine is a thing. Herracross is a thing. Hell, I use Banded Absol wrecking and even if the blob switches, unless its into a Ghost-type, nothing in UU outside probably Zapdos is going to enjoy taking a Superpower from an Adamant Choice banded Absol.

    I will guarrentee the same people who want Chansey to be BL are the same ones which want Keldeo and Tornadus-T (especially the latter of the two) to be banished to the Uber tier. Bottom-line: Chansey is overhyped and UU is basically dominated by Herracross last I remember, and Arcanine is high up too in UU and packs CC; and both Keldeo and Tornadus-T are garbage outside of rain. Next time guys, blame the weather starter for rain (Politoed).

    If so many things are moving up and down related to weather, and the clauses to do with weather, why not just ban Drought/Drizzle/Sand Stream (Hail is too weak so I never mentioned it, and its rare to see in OU) on anything outside of Ubers? T-Tar has a DW ability. Hippowdon has Sand Rush. Politoed has freaking Water Absorb. Ninetales has Flash Fire. Even without the weather abilities, those four have decent abilities...okay T-Tar's one sucks, but still. I am sure that I am not the only person with this mindset. Ninetales and Politoed were like NU in Gen 4 and suddenly insta-weather makes them OU? I just find the impact that Pokemon with nstant-weather abilities have on the metagame to be ridiculous.

    Fun fact: adding up the % of all varients of weather-teams in OU, minus Hail, adds up to 42.3068949% Was Genesect used nearly that much of the time, since I am sure it was probably about 20-30%, yet that was 'overcentralizing the metagame'. Was Garchomp ever used that much prior to the Sand Veil ban? Or Scizor? Or the Lati twins back in Gen 4? If something is used over 40% of the time in OU, I am sure its overcentralizing. Weatherless isn't overcentralizing since prior to Gen 5, most of OU teams were weatherless.
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    | 44 | Metagross | 5.379% |
    | 45 | Latias | 5.312% |

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    But the problem is, why would you use absol when there is bisharp?
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    Great, Chansey to UU? You're gonna have a hard time convincing me to play UU now. I don't even care about Abomasnow, Chansey is a fucking annoying pain in the ass that needs to fucking die. Sorry for the profanity, but I really fucking hate Chansey. It tanks everything but STAB Close Combats!

    (done ranting)

    Anyway, Absol, Amoonguss, Cinccino, and Emboar going up to RU is pretty interesting to say the least. I knew these Pokemon were already pretty good in RU, but I'll be interested to see what NU is like without them.

    And, predictably, nothing goes up to OU. But....

    | 25 | Infernape | 78792 | 8.194% | 63837 | 8.208% |

    Can we get this to stop? Infernape is not anywhere near as good as it was in DPP.

    Scizor resuming his spot as king of OU is not extremely surprising to me, even with the Rain dominance.

    | 51 | Gastrodon | 37968 | 3.948% | 30926 | 3.976% |

    This thing is really bad in my opinion and needs to drop. Hey, UU, I'll trade you Gastrodon for Chansey. Deal?

    | 56 | Ninjask | 28609 | 2.975% | 25790 | 3.316% |

    At least it isn't OU, but I'm sorry, Ninjask is so bad it shouldn't even be breaking 1% usage.

    | 65 | Umbreon | 19949 | 2.075% | 14845 | 1.909% |

    Oh, PS ladder...

    | 20 | Cloyster | 85567 | 8.898% | 66178 | 8.509% |

    This thing is really good and you should use it.

    EDIT:

    Do you not get it? Arcanine and Heracross existed in UU long ago when Chansey was UU and it still broke the tier. At the moment there are maybe three or four Pokemon in UU that can break through Gligar+Chansey, Mienshao being the most notable. In my opinion, any argument that looks at JUST the Pokemon in question and not what Pokemon it will inevitably be paired up with to deal with its problems (Gligar/Cofagrigus since really only Fighting-types trouble Chansey) is foolishness. They have a team of six, not a team of one. Hell, when a Pokemon is ONLY troubled by Fighting-types, you know something's up. Also, I hate to break it to you but if you're using Absol in UU you shouldn't be playing UU. Absol is pretty much entirely outclassed by Bisharp; not to mention that CB Absol isn't really good in any tier...
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    | 43 | Landorus | 5.448% |
    | 44 | Metagross | 5.379% |
    | 45 | Latias | 5.312% |
    | 46 | Landorus-Therian | 5.240% |


    Which one of these is not like the other ones?
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    Although I understand why people are worried about Chansey, I wouldn't worry so much. Remember that UU is dominated by Fighting-types like Heracross and Mienshao, and thus Chansey may not be as broken as we think that she has.

    I am still surprised that Scizor is dominating again, I must admit. Despite rain nerfing Fire-type attacks, Scizor also gets washed by those Water-type attacks like those from Keldeo, which OHKO when boosted by Rain or Choice Specs. What I am trying to understand is why Salamence dropped on usage.

    Calm, calm, everything will be fine... at least Keldeo is starting to receive the usage that it deserves, as I said above. What I don't understand is why its counters, like Celebi, Jellicent and Latias, are seeing low usage (Amoongus I can understand why). Seriously, if you don't prepare for Keldeo, you are going to have your team ravaged by its Hydro Pumps and Surfs.
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    Meanwhile crap like Infernape is solid 25 >.>
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    I would say, chansey in uu is target practice for the UU king, heracross. It's gonna do nothing other than wishpassing, and when it comes to attacking... you know.

    Abomasnow in uu would be interesting, though.
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    It's a great counter to Keldeo, which is showing up as a major threat these days.

    The fact that NOTHING went up to OU worries me. People are cutting down the number of species used to focus only on a relative handful of specific archetypes. There's a difference between a stable tier and a stagnant one, and we may be approaching the latter.
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    I think part of the reason is because OU is the top usage tier, so it doesn't have Pokemon dropping down into it every 3 months usually. In the lower tiers you often get Pokemon rising up from the tier below because of the Pokemon that dropped from the tier above.
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    Yeah I'm really starting to wonder if the reason that some are calling Keldeo broken is due to the fact that they've never tried out those great three counters. Celebi completely walls Keldeo while threatening it with Giga Drain, and same goes with Latias because she can OHKO right back with Psyshock. Jellicent isn't the best at taking out Keldeo per say, however it completely walls every set because of it's immunity to both of it's STAB attacks. I've Toxic stalled/Burned Keldeo end game with Jellicent before, it's not hard. However, I don't understand what some people have against Amoonguss. Sure it's super slow and has a few notable weaknesses, however it can double status with both Spore and Stun Spore. I think Amoonguss is incredibly underrated, and it can shut down rain teams once Torn-T is gone. Hell, it's one of my favorite Breloom counters in the game. Breloom can set up all it wants on Amoonguss, because a non invested Sludge Bomb can OHKO Technician Breloom. Having a Pokemon that can both spread paralysis and sleep, on top of great all around bulk and defensive typing plus Regenerator makes it a very hard threat to take down. I've used an Amoonguss on my balanced OU team and found amazing success with it. Amoonguss gives my team paralysis support so slower Pokemon on my team such as Scizor and Heatran can pretty much demolish the team. On top of that Spore gives Heatran a free switch in to get up his Stealth Rocks without having to worry about his balloon breaking, and it also gives Scizor a chance to get a free STAB U-Turn off. All in all Amoonguss isn't the most amazing Pokemon in OU, however if not taken care of quickly he can really mess up a team early on in the game, and completely ruin team strategies with his deadly dual status.
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