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Official Smogon University Simulator Statistics — October 2012

Discussion in 'BW Competitive Discussion' started by Antar, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. NATdude

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    | 1 | Genesect | 145258 | 18.759% | 126041 | 20.139% |
    | 2 | Politoed | 131347 | 16.962% | 120412 | 19.240% |
    | 3 | Ferrothorn | 129784 | 16.760% | 111014 | 17.738% |
    | 4 | Dragonite | 124017 | 16.016% | 96516 | 15.422% |
    | 5 | Scizor | 121726 | 15.720% | 95492 | 15.258% |

    I have a feeling that the top 5 of OU will remain this way until something game changing (cough cough Shadow Tag Chandelure) happens.

    | 20 | Cloyster | 68587 | 8.857% | 53586 | 8.562% |
    A bit of a jump for Cloyster. Wasn't he swimming around in the 40's for the last few months? I doubt the jump was because of Chomp.

    | 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% |
    | 55 | Chansey | 27011 | 3.488% | 21364 | 3.414% |
    | 56 | Abomasnow | 23077 | 2.980% | 20730 | 3.312% |

    Dear god this is scary. Ninjask got a huge bump after the Baton Pass revival. I really hope Aboma stays in OU. I think he's a better weather inducer than Ninetales (Just because he can actually do something). Please stay OU chansey. UU would be flipped on it's ass if Chansey came back.

    | 56 | Houndoom | 7160 | 4.408% | 5726 | 4.244% |
    | 57 | Cresselia | 4113 | 2.532% | 3351 | 2.484% |
    Is there any reason to why there's a huge jump between the usage stats?
  2. alkinesthetase

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    EDIT: i'm a dumb

    obligatory "fuk genesect and politoed" but i'm sure we've all heard it before

    oh and jimbon, as for the usages of our infamous three rain sweepers (torn, thund, keld) - keldeo and thundurus function fine without rain so i'll give you those ones, but politoed's top teammates are ferrothorn (36.2%) and tornadus-T (32.7%). putting ferrothorn on a team does not prevent it from being offensive in nature; the dominating rain styles are definitely offensive in nature
  3. AccidentalGreed

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    I don't mind Gensect or Politoed being the top Pokemon. I've pretty much expected that after the last few teams I've battled. However...

    What in the world, people? Infernape and Ditto are some of the worst possible things to use in OU right now, and Ninjask. Oh my god. Ninjask. No. Get out.

    This is going to be a long month.
  4. Dark Fallen Angel

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    I thougth that Genesect would again be the second on usage, people predicted him becoming the king of OU but on the past 2 months Politoed was, in fact, the king.

    These statistics only serve to compound what is said about the two on the "OU viability ranking thread".

    Also, is a coincidence that 3 of the 5 most used Pokémon are 4x weak to Fire?

    OBS: What the hell ninjask sees more usage than chansey? WTF?
  5. The Scarecrow

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    Where are you seeing this? Salamence is 13 in OU and Dragonite is top 10...
  6. Master of the Six Kings

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    Only Landorus moved more than 10 spots this month, and it moved down (which I don't really get, it's a pretty great Poke).

    And all hail Genesect.

    UU is pretty interesting. Cofagrigus sure is enjoying UU, while as i figured, Virizion isn't really sticking. Chandelure and Heracross (the two top Pokemon), along with Zapdos, Tornadus, Mew, Crobat and Cof all laugh off it's stabs. Its a shame, as I do like Virizion. He's a good Poke in a time not suited to him. Even Meloetta found a bigger presence than he did :I

    OU (open)

    | 1 | Genesect | 145258 | 18.759% | 126041 | 20.139% | +2
    | 2 | Politoed | 131347 | 16.962% | 120412 | 19.240% | -1
    | 3 | Ferrothorn | 129784 | 16.760% | 111014 | 17.738% | -1
    | 4 | Dragonite | 124017 | 16.016% | 96516 | 15.422% |
    | 5 | Scizor | 121726 | 15.720% | 95492 | 15.258% |
    | 6 | Heatran | 113887 | 14.707% | 94566 | 15.110% |
    | 7 | Tyranitar | 105892 | 13.675% | 91847 | 14.675% |
    | 8 | Breloom | 97557 | 12.599% | 76984 | 12.301% |
    | 9 | Gliscor | 86973 | 11.232% | 68512 | 10.947% |
    | 10 | Rotom-Wash | 81836 | 10.568% | 70863 | 11.323% |
    | 11 | Garchomp | 81762 | 10.559% | 62597 | 10.002% | New
    | 12 | Jirachi | 80770 | 10.431% | 65964 | 10.540% | -1
    | 13 | Salamence | 80586 | 10.407% | 61068 | 9.758% | -1
    | 14 | Gengar | 79837 | 10.310% | 62712 | 10.020% | +4
    | 15 | Ninetales | 78258 | 10.106% | 71018 | 11.347% | -2
    | 16 | Terrakion | 76309 | 9.855% | 57266 | 9.150% | -2
    | 17 | Latios | 73208 | 9.454% | 57284 | 9.153% | -2
    | 18 | Starmie | 73036 | 9.432% | 56782 | 9.073% | -1
    | 19 | Alakazam | 70519 | 9.107% | 54079 | 8.641% |
    | 20 | Cloyster | 68587 | 8.857% | 53586 | 8.562% | +8
    | 21 | Forretress | 66166 | 8.545% | 56245 | 8.987% | -5
    | 22 | Infernape | 64071 | 8.274% | 51914 | 8.295% | +1
    | 23 | Volcarona | 63650 | 8.220% | 49107 | 7.846% | -1
    | 24 | Espeon | 61672 | 7.964% | 48139 | 7.692% | +2
    | 25 | Tentacruel | 60883 | 7.862% | 48871 | 7.809% | -5
    | 26 | Mamoswine | 56093 | 7.244% | 44363 | 7.088% | -5
    | 27 | Tornadus-Therian | 55958 | 7.226% | 43932 | 7.020% | -2
    | 28 | Venusaur | 55677 | 7.190% | 42662 | 6.817% | -4
    | 29 | Blissey | 55207 | 7.129% | 42956 | 6.864% | +1
    | 30 | Gyarados | 54568 | 7.047% | 43322 | 6.922% | +1
    | 31 | Skarmory | 54027 | 6.977% | 45697 | 7.302% | -4
    | 32 | Jolteon | 52109 | 6.729% | 41658 | 6.656% | +2
    | 33 | Jellicent | 50978 | 6.583% | 41801 | 6.679% |
    | 34 | Vaporeon | 50913 | 6.575% | 39961 | 6.385% | +8
    | 35 | Lucario | 50512 | 6.523% | 38613 | 6.170% |
    | 36 | Thundurus-Therian | 49253 | 6.361% | 38991 | 6.230% | -4
    | 37 | Conkeldurr | 46333 | 5.983% | 37103 | 5.928% |
    | 38 | Hydreigon | 45635 | 5.893% | 35632 | 5.693% | +1
    | 39 | Landorus | 45095 | 5.824% | 35188 | 5.622% | -10
    | 40 | Donphan | 45086 | 5.822% | 37936 | 6.061% | -4
    | 41 | Haxorus | 42691 | 5.513% | 32319 | 5.164% | -3
    | 42 | Metagross | 41411 | 5.348% | 33714 | 5.387% | +5
    | 43 | Keldeo | 40073 | 5.175% | 31355 | 5.010% | +2
    | 44 | Magnezone | 39949 | 5.159% | 31691 | 5.064% |
    | 45 | Deoxys-Defense | 39612 | 5.116% | 35683 | 5.702% |+3
    | 46 | Latias | 37620 | 4.858% | 29448 | 4.705% | -5
    | 47 | Dugtrio | 37455 | 4.837% | 29539 | 4.720% | -7
    | 48 | Celebi | 34077 | 4.401% | 27154 | 4.339% | +1
    | 49 | Reuniclus | 33914 | 4.380% | 26549 | 4.242% | -6
    | 50 | Toxicroak | 33293 | 4.299% | 25434 | 4.064% |
    | 51 | Gastrodon | 32946 | 4.255% | 27104 | 4.331% |
    | 52 | Landorus-Therian | 28576 | 3.690% | 24174 | 3.863% | -8
    | 53 | Hippowdon | 27381 | 3.536% | 24711 | 3.948% | +1
    | 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% | +8
    | 55 | Chansey | 27011 | 3.488% | 21364 | 3.414% | -3
    | 56 | Abomasnow | 23077 | 2.980% | 20730 | 3.312% | -3
    | 57 | Chandelure | 21675 | 2.799% | 17585 | 2.810% |
    | 58 | Arcanine | 20285 | 2.620% | 16714 | 2.671% | +3
    | 59 | Mew | 20235 | 2.613% | 16880 | 2.697% | -4
    | 60 | Ditto | 19985 | 2.581% | 15820 | 2.528% |-1


    UU (open)

    | 1 | Heracross | 34426 | 21.196% | 26958 | 19.980% |
    | 2 | Chandelure | 27983 | 17.229% | 23119 | 17.135% |
    | 3 | Blastoise | 26880 | 16.550% | 22660 | 16.795% | +4
    | 4 | Bronzong | 25097 | 15.452% | 22936 | 16.999% | +1
    | 5 | Roserade | 24195 | 14.897% | 20049 | 14.860% | -2
    | 6 | Flygon | 22288 | 13.723% | 18137 | 13.442% | -2
    | 7 | Arcanine | 20664 | 12.723% | 17368 | 12.873% | +1
    | 8 | Raikou | 20590 | 12.677% | 16663 | 12.350% | +1
    | 9 | Zapdos | 20444 | 12.587% | 17110 | 12.681% | +2
    | 10 | Darmanitan | 20385 | 12.551% | 16901 | 12.526% | +3
    | 11 | Kingdra | 20207 | 12.442% | 16318 | 12.094% | +3
    | 12 | Snorlax | 19682 | 12.118% | 16433 | 12.180% | -6
    | 13 | Nidoking | 19296 | 11.881% | 15246 | 11.300% | +4
    | 14 | Hitmontop | 18966 | 11.677% | 15747 | 11.671% | -4
    | 15 | Mienshao | 17317 | 10.662% | 14639 | 10.850% | +1
    | 16 | Umbreon | 17049 | 10.497% | 14066 | 10.425% | +6
    | 17 | Crobat | 16903 | 10.407% | 14689 | 10.887% | +3
    | 18 | Swampert | 15983 | 9.841% | 14390 | 10.665% | -3
    | 19 | Mew | 15746 | 9.695% | 13470 | 9.983% | New
    | 20 | Ambipom | 15462 | 9.520% | 13687 | 10.144% | -8
    | 21 | Gligar | 15131 | 9.316% | 13233 | 9.808% | +10
    | 22 | Victini | 14536 | 8.950% | 11950 | 8.857% | -3
    | 23 | Togekiss | 14310 | 8.811% | 11703 | 8.674% | -5
    | 24 | Cofagrigus | 14231 | 8.762% | 12072 | 8.947% | +28
    | 25 | Azelf | 13821 | 8.510% | 12292 | 9.110% | -1
    | 26 | Slowbro | 13339 | 8.213% | 10949 | 8.115% | -5
    | 27 | Porygon2 | 13230 | 8.146% | 11039 | 8.182% | -2
    | 28 | Sableye | 13100 | 8.066% | 11664 | 8.645% |
    | 29 | Weavile | 13085 | 8.056% | 10649 | 7.893% | +6
    | 30 | Azumarill | 13016 | 8.014% | 10718 | 7.944% | +10
    | 31 | Scrafty | 13014 | 8.013% | 10619 | 7.870% | -8
    | 32 | Empoleon | 12256 | 7.546% | 10776 | 7.987% | -2
    | 33 | Tornadus | 12098 | 7.449% | 9933 | 7.362% | New
    | 34 | Honchkrow | 11941 | 7.352% | 9376 | 6.949% | -2
    | 35 | Shaymin | 11878 | 7.313% | 9527 | 7.061% | -8
    | 36 | Rhyperior | 11336 | 6.980% | 9602 | 7.117% |
    | 37 | Milotic | 11221 | 6.909% | 9344 | 6.925% | -11
    | 38 | Machamp | 11175 | 6.880% | 9154 | 6.785% | -5
    | 39 | Suicune | 11038 | 6.796% | 9289 | 6.885% | -10
    | 40 | Meloetta | 10751 | 6.619% | 8413 | 6.235% | New
    | 41 | Froslass | 10614 | 6.535% | 9632 | 7.139% | +1
    | 42 | Registeel | 10461 | 6.441% | 9262 | 6.865% | +2
    | 43 | Claydol | 10305 | 6.345% | 8809 | 6.529% | -9
    | 44 | Porygon-Z | 9975 | 6.142% | 7848 | 5.817% | -6
    | 45 | Virizion | 9830 | 6.052% | 7791 | 5.774% | New
    | 46 | Yanmega | 9718 | 5.983% | 8062 | 5.975% | -9
    | 47 | Xatu | 9701 | 5.973% | 8110 | 6.011% | -4
    | 48 | Cobalion | 9586 | 5.902% | 8211 | 6.086% | -9
    | 49 | Sharpedo | 8822 | 5.432% | 6861 | 5.085% | -1
    | 50 | Rotom-Heat | 8798 | 5.417% | 7699 | 5.706% | -3
    | 51 | Bisharp | 8473 | 5.217% | 6763 | 5.012% | -5
    | 52 | Krookodile | 8416 | 5.182% | 6802 | 5.041% | -7
    | 53 | Zoroark | 8219 | 5.060% | 3735 | 2.768% | -3
    | 54 | Dusclops | 8085 | 4.978% | 6849 | 5.076% | -13
    | 55 | Mismagius | 7785 | 4.793% | 6404 | 4.746% | -6
    | 56 | Houndoom | 7160 | 4.408% | 5726 | 4.244% | -5
    | 57 | Cresselia | 4113 | 2.532% | 3351 | 2.484% | -4
    | 58 | Durant | 3546 | 2.183% | 2793 | 2.070% | +2
    | 59 | Venomoth | 3327 | 2.048% | 2801 | 2.076% | +2
    | 60 | Golurk | 3088 | 1.901% | 2687 | 1.992% | +8
  7. ganj4lF

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    Yeah predictable Genesect #1 is predictable.

    Keldeo only managed to gain two positions, from #45 to #43, compared to the last month. Still too low, he really deserves more love. Heck Cloyster is #20 and it's much, much worse than it; same for Infernape (and I love Infernape...).

    Also, Landorus losing ten positions? RP Landorus-I with Sheer Force is everywhere, or it's me attracting them?
  8. /B/utterfree

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    My Opinion on This Month's Stat Thresholds - OU (open)

    | 1 | Genesect | 145258 | 18.759% | 126041 | 20.139% |

    Well this isn't a surprise. Genesect being the #1 Pokemon was something I pedicted aeons ago.

    | 10 | Rotom-Wash | 81836 | 10.568% | 70863 | 11.323% |

    The resurgence of VoltTurn, no thanks to Genesect, is probably the only reason Rotom-Wash is sitting at such a high stat threshold.

    | 14 | Gengar | 79837 | 10.310% | 62712 | 10.020% |

    This, on the other hand, is even more surprising. I thought Gengar was in the mid-20's of stat thresholds last time?

    | 20 | Cloyster | 68587 | 8.857% | 53586 | 8.562% |

    The less said about Cloyster, the less enraged I'm going to be.

    | 32 | Jolteon | 52109 | 6.729% | 41658 | 6.656% |

    Jolteon's usage was perfectly fine last I checked. Did something come up?

    | 41 | Haxorus | 42691 | 5.513% | 32319 | 5.164% |

    Hm, I thought Garchomp outclassing Haxorus as a sweeper would send it lower in the usage thresholds.

    | 42 | Metagross | 41411 | 5.348% | 33714 | 5.387% |
    | 47 | Dugtrio | 37455 | 4.837% | 29539 | 4.720% |

    *sighs*

    | 49 | Reuniclus | 33914 | 4.380% | 26549 | 4.242% |

    I'm at a loss as to how to make this better for the Reuniclus. I like it, and Trick Room is awesome like always, but I genuinely do not see how I can make this guy viable in Hail (among other teams I would use him in), with how fast-paced the current metagame is. He still competes with Alakazam for a teamslot because the faster Psychic-type also has Magic Guard.

    That said, I'm actually okay with this dropping to UU.

    | 52 | Landorus-Therian | 28576 | 3.690% | 24174 | 3.863% |

    This is quite a fall from where it was last month. I hope this thing is okay with being in UU, too. I stopped using him long ago when I realized why Landorus-I was being used more than Landorus-T.

    | 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% |
    | 56 | Abomasnow | 23077 | 2.980% | 20730 | 3.312% |

    Oh. come on! I thought I used Abomasnow enough in the ladder such that it would not be overturned by Ninjask of all things! Where did I go wrong with this?!

    That said, the Dark Horse Project probably has a lot to do with the current usage thresholds as they are. Some things are up higher than where they would regularly be, whereas others are steadily dropping to being available for the UU metagame.

    As I like both Abomasnow and Hippowdon, I guess I just have to use them more to prevent them from plummeting to RU almost immediately after they are within UU threshold otherwise.


    My Opinion on This Month's Stat Thresholds - UU (open)


    | 5 | Roserade | 24195 | 14.897% | 20049 | 14.860% |
    | 6 | Flygon | 22288 | 13.723% | 18137 | 13.442% |

    This is still quite a baffle as to how these Pokemon were being used less last month. Although I guess I did run into Specs Blastoise/Scarf Blastoise a lot, and wound up using it myself for a time.

    | 24 | Cofagrigus | 14231 | 8.762% | 12072 | 8.947% |

    Quite a jump from September to October, eh? Well, at least Cofagrigus happily fits into the UU metagame. I actually helped with this quite a bit.

    | 37 | Milotic | 11221 | 6.909% | 9344 | 6.925% |
    | 39 | Suicune | 11038 | 6.796% | 9289 | 6.885% |

    Oh, good heavens. Why are people using Milotic over Suicune? Suicune is the only Pokemon who can competently do RestTalk in the entirety of Pokemon, in my sincerest opinion. And I know some of these same people also used Ambipom, 'cause I saw Milotic and Ambipom on the same team often when facing against foes.

    | 40 | Meloetta | 10751 | 6.619% | 8413 | 6.235% |

    *sighs*

    | 50 | Rotom-Heat | 8798 | 5.417% | 7699 | 5.706% |
    | 52 | Krookodile | 8416 | 5.182% | 6802 | 5.041% |
    | 53 | Zoroark | 8219 | 5.060% | 3735 | 2.768% |
    | 54 | Dusclops | 8085 | 4.978% | 6849 | 5.076% |
    | 55 | Mismagius | 7785 | 4.793% | 6404 | 4.746% |
    | 56 | Houndoom | 7160 | 4.408% | 5726 | 4.244% |

    If I didn't have a paper to do, I'd probably try to up Houndoom's usage up a little (it's actually one of my favorite UU Pokemon). I genuinely prefer using Houndoom over Rotom-Heat, although both are spectacularly decent Fire-types.

    That said, I'm shocked as to how low Krook is dropping in the threshold solely because there are better Moxie users in this tier (Honchkrow and HeraBoss).


    My Opinion on This Month's Stat Thresholds - RU (open)

    | 12 | Dusknoir | 5585 | 10.904% | 4782 | 11.288% |

    Suddenly, half of my disappointment in how OU and UU turned out vanishes as I smile. While I did not apparently do enough work with him in UU, that might be relative to change as I help this guy pack his bags so people shut the hell up about him in RU (hopefully) for good.

    On the other hand, this could very well be the result of me being trolled (by an apparently sizeable amount of dedicated people, it looks like). I know for a fact I didn't play enough RU games for this to happen, so I wonder where the problem lies. Are Molk and company secretly conspiring against me so I get penalized? I guess I'll never know, as I hope to bring him up to UU.

    | 17 | Sandslash | 5348 | 10.442% | 4627 | 10.922% |

    That said, I did manage to do Molk and co. a favor by dropping Sandslash's usage down a peg. I honestly wanted this thing off the face of the map, but I can easily wait for that to occur indirectly. I might have to use more things that are down below him in either RU or up in order to accomodate for this.

    | 25 | Electivire | 4687 | 9.151% | 3754 | 8.861% |

    Hmph. I forget not everything about RU's stat thresholds was going to be pleasant. It appears people are using him over the likes of Lanturn and Manetric, which saddens me a little inside.

    | 38 | Ferroseed | 3490 | 6.814% | 3102 | 7.322% |

    e_e
    Some things never change, do they?

    | 41 | Whimsicott | 3334 | 6.509% | 2837 | 6.697% |

    Oh, dear. Why did this drop in usage? It's actually a very good anti-Lead. Prankster guaranteeing afflictions via priority Toxic (those Sap Sippers, they get me every time they want free Atk, and instead they get a Toxic to the face), and priority Stun Spore (Nidoqueen can't escape the paralysis!). SubSeed may not be great, but it's still decent. That said, Whimsicott is a very underrated anti-Lead and I don't know how long I can take before I make an RMT with him again.

    | 46 | Medicham | 2734 | 5.338% | 2223 | 5.247% |
    | 49 | Hariyama | 2504 | 4.889% | 2159 | 5.096% |
    | 50 | Klinklang | 2485 | 4.852% | 1903 | 4.492% |
    | 51 | Munchlax | 2435 | 4.754% | 1972 | 4.655% |
    | 52 | Rhydon | 2279 | 4.450% | 1993 | 4.704% |
    | 53 | Mesprit | 1882 | 3.674% | 1584 | 3.739% |
    | 54 | Primeape | 1801 | 3.516% | 1501 | 3.543% |
    | 55 | Mandibuzz | 1770 | 3.456% | 1495 | 3.529% |

    I expect almost all of these guys to drop, and am very excited for NU (maybe not Mespirit, if one of the frequent battlers of RU is dedicated enough). It's not that I don't like them (I'm actually guffawing at how willing people are to let Medicham be usable in NU, much less RU. This is in no small part because of my thorough examination of him using Honko's damage calcs and wondering if people on Pokemon Online are genuinely ban-happy in their tiers or if they were just paranoid about Medicham).
  9. IstheCakeReallyaLie

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    My OU opinions (open)


    Genesect, the new King of OU! Politoed is to be expected, honestly. Ferrothorn is actually pretty surprising, considering all the "stall is dead" stuff. Nite is still incredibly popular, as always. Oh, and Scizor is still hanging on. Somehow.

    I expected Chomp to be in the top 10, but I guess people are viewing it as cheap.

    I just found these to be rather interesting. Remember when AmoonBro was hyped up?

    Mew can fill so many roles on a team it's not even funny. Why would it be at 59th place? Seriously, it's one place above Ditto, of all things.

    The bottom of the list always amuses/disturbs me.

    [continued laughter]

    Seriously though, why would you want to use Metagross? It has, like, one or two small niches. It got hit hard this gen, with Explosion nerf and the lack of a lead metagame.

    I'm calling Ninjask being OU. Wait until January. Just wait.

    It now has two ways to recover health, with one also dealing damage. How is it not in, at the very least, the top 20?


    My RU opinions (open)

    To be expected. Very useful Pokemon that contribute a lot to the RU metagame.

    I mean, I get that we don't get very many spinners, but really? Seriously, give some to NU, especially considering, you know, they're the Hitmons.

    Nice to see this guy getting some more use. 97% accurate Thunder is nothing to laugh at.

    Ah yes, the Pokemon that has the dubious honor of being one tier below its preevo (you shouldn't be using 'Clops either, though). It's like the Ambipom of RU. Except worse.

    All of these Pokemon are below Dusknoir. All of them. Sad thing, isn't it?

    I might be biased, but I think she deserves to be ranked higher. She has the best boosting move in the entire game (I personally view Shell Smash, Shift Gear and Quiver Dance to be equal).

    Please, just don't use it. It's like Metagross in OU, Ambipom in UU, and Dusknoir in...

    RU. We need to get rid of some Pokemon. It's really not helping the tier. At all.


    Anyways, those are the only two tiers I seriously play and know the metagame well.
  10. Reaver12

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    Umbreon has higher usage than Mew right now in UU....... what the hell is wrong with people.

    Seeing Roserade continue to drop after sitting at the top of UU for so long is nice, but Heracross has quickly become way too common. But the fact that the most dominating Pokemon in the tier has a couple hard counters is a pretty good sign for our metagame.

    Ambipom dropped 8 spots in UU... thank god
  11. Dark Fallen Angel

    Dark Fallen Angel FIDDLESTICKS IS ALSO GOOD ON MID!

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    I would like to ask if the reason why Ninjask is at 54th position isn't the same reason why Metang became RU on august.

    Also, I expected Garchomp to be not as used as it was with Sand Veil, because without Sand Veil, Garchomp is just like any other dragon, and is even outclassed by some Pokémon in some roles and/or in some teams.
  12. Arcticblast

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    According to someone earlier in the page/thread, Baton Pass had a sort of revival. I know I've been facing several Baton Pass teams recently, and they're a pain in the ass for offense but don't do so well against defensive teams. Maybe that's just me not leading with something stronger though...
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    Actually Hiphiphooray's baton pass team is the cheapest team you can use on the ladder. I used it to beat: Simultion of a Drought, Sexual Showers, Gamester's sun team and double sand team,......i could go on. His RMT revived Baton pass.
    Why the hell is Kyurem so low in usage? For the last time, it can be used outside of hail!!!!!! I guess I will have to play alot this month with it to prove people wrong.
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    | 1 | Genesect | 11417 | 50.549% | 10233 | 52.536% |

    My god... though this was somewhat expected. lol
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    This is way higher than expected, mainly because it was hardly seen at all after the first few days.

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    How the fuck are these guys used less than fucking Cloyster?
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    How is Garchomp not top 10!!!!
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    I'm surprised Deoxys-D is still down around 5%, considering how good it is. I'm guessing it's due to not fitting terribly well onto weather teams; none of the weather inducers are in his top teammates. Also, 50%+ are still using Lefties on him? Really? Between Tanga Berry, Mental Herb, and Gems...I'm really surprised. Perhaps that'll change once his new analysis goes up on-site.

    EDIT: Heh, even with Technician out, only about half of Breloom use it. Again, I imagine that'll go up once it's new analysis goes on-site.

    Also, @Brophlosion:
    -It's barely missing out on top 10. It's being used plenty.
    -It has a lot of competition for its slot on a team; it's not as unique as it once was. (Mainly due to 102 base speed not being anywhere near as good as in DPP) If you look at the top 10, they're pretty much all filling unique roles which there's no substitute for. Garchomp has to compete with Dragonite, Salamence, and Haxorus as a strong physical Dragon.
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    As I posted in the suspect thread I really think looking at the suspect usages can give us a better picture of what the more consistent players are using since it's generally a higher caliber of ladderer playing on the suspect ladder. Some things I think illustrate that:

    Genesect at 50% usage
    Keldeo at 5th, instead of in the 40's
    Cloyster being 46th, instead of 20th
    Infernape at 41st instead of in the 20's

    I'm sure I could find more but I really think suspect statistics give us a better view of the current state of OU, even with Kyurem-B technically not being in OU, because it's mostly better players and better teams and less gimmicky teams and inexperienced players still trying to figure out what is and isn't good. The fact that Keldeo is behind Cloyster and Infernape by 20 spots is terrible, Scarf Keldeo in the rain is amazing and the cm sets do pretty well as rain checks. Cloyster has already been talked about but he's not really good at all and Infernape would be OK if drizzle wasn't around but since it's the most popular weather he's pretty bad as well. Genesect hitting 50% is ridiculous but the scarf set just fits so well on every team. I don't think he's broken but he is definitely one of the best pokemon in the game. I lot like Scizor, he just fits really well as a revenge killer / scout that can sweep because it's setup move is really dangerous and super overlooked.
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    It's partly metagame trends aswell. Baton Pass teams haven't been a big thing for a while now, I bet a lot of people don't consider it when building teams anymore (and they probably figure if they do come across a BP team, it's by a "n00b", so they'll win anyway). This means that good BP teams can probably abuse a lot of people's un-preparedness for a while.

    It happened in Advance, Baton Pass teams were very popular for a while (and Ninjask was OU at that time obviously), but after a while everybody started preparing for them strongly on every team, and eventually they started to become pretty useless.

    It might give you a better idea of what's being used in OU, but it probably doesn't for the average OU player, who's playing people at the middle/bottom of the ladder.
  20. ScraftyIsTheBest

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    Garchomp gets vicious competition for a teamslot these days. 102 Speed is very irritating and his Outrage is also slightly weaker than that of Mence or Haxorus. Anyways, at least he's CLOSE to the Top 10. Anyways, I have more to say on these stats...

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    | 48 | Celebi | 34077 | 4.401% | 27154 | 4.339% |

    How the mighty have fallen....Oh Celebi, how you were once a top 20 Pokemon, now sitting in the lower recesses of OU, trying not to be UU. Looks like Tornadus-T and Genesect took the toll on this guy. Poor Celebi, I knew you well.

    | 42 | Metagross | 41411 | 5.348% | 33714 | 5.387% |

    I can't believe I'm saying this, but this is well deserved. The more people that use Metagross, the better for UU. Allowing Metagross into UU would result in an unhealthy metagame. It will easily demolish UU with its coverage. I've tried AgiliGross on PO UU, and I can confirm that it is ridiculously OP. So Metagross should stay or else UU will suffer.

    | 43 | Keldeo | 40073 | 5.175% | 31355 | 5.010% |

    Why is Keldeo this low? It's fucking powerful in the rain and wrecks shit. Why is it this low? Needs to be Top 20 at very least.

    | 46 | Latias | 37620 | 4.858% | 29448 | 4.705% |

    While Latios is dominating OU with his Mighty Draco Meteors, his sister just has to suffer in low OU. It's a shame, because Latias is awesome, and she can be such a good pivot, and also checks things so well. This just can't go to UU. If it does..then...

    | 52 | Landorus-Therian | 28576 | 3.690% | 24174 | 3.863% |

    So. Trying desperately not to fall into UU, right? Looks like what's happening between you and Lando-I is the opposite of what happened between Tornadus-I and Tornadus-T. Well, let's see what happens.

    | 53 | Hippowdon | 27381 | 3.536% | 24711 | 3.948% |
    | 56 | Abomasnow | 23077 | 2.980% | 20730 | 3.312% |

    These two need A LOT more usage. How sad to see these two so low! Don't let them be UU, guys!

    | 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% |

    Baton Pass is making a comeback, it seems!

    | 55 | Chansey | 27011 | 3.488% | 21364 | 3.414% |

    This...needs to exit OU. It is the worst Pokemon in OU and shouldn't even be here.

    | 86 | Stoutland | 10500 | 1.356% | 7995 | 1.277% |

    This being lower than FailVire and Xatu is just stupendous. This needs a lot more love, should at least get 2% usage. It's an amazing revenge killer in the sand and is sure to be a menace. Look like I better get this thing rising in usage.

    | 105 | Virizion | 7545 | 0.974% | 5871 | 0.938% |

    A once OU Pokemon isn't even getting 1% usage in OU now. A shame, since Gangsta Pants and Pro-Mienshao are getting into Top 80, and P2 is getting at least 1%.


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    | 1 | Heracross | 34426 | 21.196% | 26958 | 19.980% |

    Still King, are ya?

    | 5 | Roserade | 24195 | 14.897% | 20049 | 14.860% |

    Still doing good, but you need higher usage

    | 15 | Mienshao | 17317 | 10.662% | 14639 | 10.850% |

    YES! Show 'em how pro you are, Mienshao! This thing is the best scout in UU, with U-Turn and Regenerator, and mighty Hi Jump Kicks!

    | 17 | Crobat | 16903 | 10.407% | 14689 | 10.887% |

    This is well deserved. Crobat stands in UU as the premier Anti-Meta UU Pokemon. He beats Heracross and Roserade 1v1, resisting their STAB's (But Must Be Wary of Extrasensory or Stone Edge), and KOing in return with Brave Bird. Also destroys Scrafty, Mienshao, and Virizion to some extent. Don't forget Shaymin.

    | 20 | Ambipom | 15462 | 9.520% | 13687 | 10.144% |

    Keep Falling! Keep Falling! Keep Falling!

    | 24 | Cofagrigus | 14231 | 8.762% | 12072 | 8.947% |

    Cofagrigus is amazing in UU. No wonder it took a skyrocket. Both OTR and Physically Defensive sets are amazing. Also once of the best answers other than Crobat, to Heracross and friends.

    | 31 | Scrafty | 13014 | 8.013% | 10619 | 7.870% |

    This is disappointing. Scrafty is amazing with two awesome boosting moves, great stats, and great typing. How sad to see him not even Top 30. He's one hell of a dangerous Pokemon and needs more love.

    | 33 | Tornadus | 12098 | 7.449% | 9933 | 7.362% |

    Considering how stupidly powerful Tornadus-I is, this is quite good. Keep it up Tornadus!

    | 38 | Machamp | 11175 | 6.880% | 9154 | 6.785% |

    STOP.USING.MACHAMP. He's outclassed by every Fighting-type and needs to just exit UU.

    | 40 | Meloetta | 10751 | 6.619% | 8413 | 6.235% |

    Given that I never saw this thing, this is impressive.

    | 44 | Porygon-Z | 9975 | 6.142% | 7848 | 5.817% |
    | 45 | Virizion | 9830 | 6.052% | 7791 | 5.774% |
    | 46 | Yanmega | 9718 | 5.983% | 8062 | 5.975% |
    | 47 | Xatu | 9701 | 5.973% | 8110 | 6.011% |
    | 48 | Cobalion | 9586 | 5.902% | 8211 | 6.086% |
    | 49 | Sharpedo | 8822 | 5.432% | 6861 | 5.085% |
    | 50 | Rotom-Heat | 8798 | 5.417% | 7699 | 5.706% |
    | 51 | Bisharp | 8473 | 5.217% | 6763 | 5.012% |
    | 52 | Krookodile | 8416 | 5.182% | 6802 | 5.041% |
    | 53 | Zoroark | 8219 | 5.060% | 3735 | 2.768% |
    | 55 | Mismagius | 7785 | 4.793% | 6404 | 4.746% |
    | 56 | Houndoom | 7160 | 4.408% | 5726 | 4.244% |
    | 57 | Cresselia | 4113 | 2.532% | 3351 | 2.484% |
    | 58 | Durant | 3546 | 2.183% | 2793 | 2.070% |
    | 60 | Golurk | 3088 | 1.901% | 2687 | 1.992% |

    Here it is. A group of viciously underrated mons all better than Ambipom.


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    | 2 | Nidoqueen | 8714 | 17.014% | 7216 | 17.033% |

    This needs the mighty first spot in usage. At least she's still queen though.

    | 7 | Hitmonlee | 6673 | 13.029% | 5301 | 12.513% |

    What?! How did this thing get so popular?!

    | 12 | Dusknoir | 5585 | 10.904% | 4782 | 11.288% |

    The fact that this thing is even higher than Spiritomb and Golurk in usage is beyond me. Have you not read this article?http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/bottom_barrel. Dusknoir is pretty outclassed and should be a lot lower than it is.

    | 25 | Electivire | 4687 | 9.151% | 3754 | 8.861% |

    Seriously, DROP TO NU ALREADY!

    | 35 | Escavalier | 3824 | 7.466% | 3155 | 7.447% |

    Same thing with Scrafty in UU. This needs more love.

    | 36 | Rotom-Mow | 3603 | 7.035% | 3098 | 7.313% |

    Why must such an amazing Pokemon in RU be so lowly used?\

    | 41 | Whimsicott | 3334 | 6.509% | 2837 | 6.697% |

    D
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    | 51 | Munchlax | 2435 | 4.754% | 1972 | 4.655% |

    Dafuq is this? This thing continues to get high usage even after BoTB and Ranking Thread.

    | 53 | Mesprit | 1882 | 3.674% | 1584 | 3.739% |

    Why is Mesprit so low in RU? She is a fantastic Pokemon here! She can set up Stealth Rock, beat two common spinners, and scout! Not only that, she can set up weather for weather teams, and even go offensive with either Scarf, Specs, or CM! She is a fantastic Pokemon in RU and I don't know why she is sitting this low in the usage stats!

    | 57 | Cinccino | 1597 | 3.118% | 1296 | 3.059% |

    Could this actually break into RU? If it did that would sure be nice! He's quite powerful so it's no wonder!


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    | 1 | Cinccino | 19682 | 18.884% | 15915 | 18.604% |

    Still King. If he rises to RU this would make some people happy.

    | 12 | Ludicolo | 9495 | 9.110% | 7684 | 8.982% |

    Rain is On The Rise. Get ready folks!

    | 22 | Ditto | 6843 | 6.566% | 5477 | 6.402% |

    This is taking over NU. Lol.

    | 23 | Zangoose | 6794 | 6.519% | 5135 | 6.003% |
    | 24 | Electrode | 6767 | 6.493% | 5831 | 6.816% |
    | 26 | Carracosta | 6463 | 6.201% | 5422 | 6.338% |

    These once obsolete in BW1 are now dominating BW2. How awesome is that?

    | 42 | Wartortle | 4995 | 4.792% | 4127 | 4.824% |

    Said this before but will say it again. STOP.USING.WARTORTLE

    | 48 | Liepard | 4081 | 3.916% | 3429 | 4.008% |

    PREPARE FOR TROLLING TIME!

    | 53 | Tangela | 3722 | 3.571% | 3136 | 3.666% |

    .....Outclassed by Amoonguss.
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    | 71 | Charizard | 14829 | 1.915% | 12016 | 1.920% |

    ....What....
  22. Imanalt

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    Could imposter be screwing with the real usage for blissey in BH?

    also seriously, why are people still using blissey over chansey... chansey with eviolite is just massively better
  23. alexwolf

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    Omg the usage stats for OU are more shitty than ever. Is the average player in PS that bad? I mean if you take a look at the normal OU stats and at the Suspect OU stats, you will see almost two entirely different metagames. The normal OU and the 1337 OU always had differences, but it's the first time that i see them being so different. Noobs are really dominating OU.

    Lol at Keldeo, Landorus-T, Landorus-I, Celebi, Gothitelle, Deoxys-D, Tornadus-T Hippowdon, Latias, and Thundurus-T being so low in usage. All of them should be 10 positions higher at least. Hell Hippo should be used more than Ttar but only good players figure this so whatever.
  24. Huntofthelion

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    The average OU player can only stop being average when they learn how to get better, and part of that is realizing which pokemon are / aren't good and start incorporating that knowledge into their team building. I would actually say that these stats are more useful to newer players because it offers a much better picture of what the top of the ladder is using which should help them on their own journey to reaching that level of play.
  25. ScraftyIsTheBest

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    Sorry, but I have one thing to bring up that will blow all of your minds:

    | 80 | Charizard | 707 | 0.858% | 566 | 0.856% |

    You have got to be kidding me. This even comes close to 1% usage in Ubers? Ever read this article people? http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/charizard
    Charizard is outclassed by every Fire-type in Ubers and shouldn't even get 0.5% usage at all. It even gets more usage than legitimately good Pokemon like Bisharp and Ludicolo. :P

    | 70 | Umbreon | 14987 | 1.935% | 10839 | 1.732% |
    | 71 | Charizard | 14829 | 1.915% | 12016 | 1.920% |

    These two coming even close to 2% usage in OU is outrageous. They even get more usage than Scrafty and Mienshao, two Pokemon who are legitimately good in OU. What is this shit?

    But on a more positive note:

    | 54 | Machop | 562 | 2.881% | 474 | 2.943% |

    Finally people are beginning to stop using Machop. Machop has no reason to be used.

    | 54 | Primeape | 1801 | 3.516% | 1501 | 3.543% |

    This..needs to exit RU. Primeape is a mediocre Pokemon who should be sitting in NU really.

    | 38 | Machamp | 11175 | 6.880% | 9154 | 6.785% |

    Seriously drop down from UU already.
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