Other ORAS Egg/Tutor Moves + General Theorymon Thead

[.TM87]

aside from anything else it means that volcanion doesn't wall itself

And dat coverage tho.
Water/Fire/Ground coverage hits everything neutral or SE except Dragon/Flying or Water/Flying types, lol.

I hope they give Volcanion something special that can hit Dragons.

All he has is Smack Down on the switch and EP if they stay in, lol.

 

[Jaguar360]

Bro that was my set... Vertex hasn't posted in this thread.

I also think Ice Punch should be slashed with Hydro, but that's just me.

Wow, I derped badly on that. Sorry!

And dat coverage tho.
Water/Fire/Ground coverage hits everything neutral or SE except Dragon/Flying or Water/Flying types, lol.

I hope they give Volcanion something special that can hit Dragons.

All he has is Smack Down on the switch and EP if they stay in, lol.

There's always Hidden Power Ice. Besides, none of them want a Steam Eruption burn anyways (even Lati@s).

 

[Anduril]

I just popped the biggest boner

Don't forget Low Kick as well

 

[trikx_insane]

Add this :

• Crunch Gyarados
• Gunk Shot and Low Kick Greninja
• Diggersby with Knock Off, Superpower, all elemental punches and Gunk Shot
• Drain Punch and Thunder Punch Chesnaught
• Spikey Shield Cacturne and Maractus
• Mystical Fire Mismagius
• Outrage and Superpower Tyrantrum
• Hyper Voice, Earth Power and Stealth Rock Aurorus
• Stealth Rock Barbaracle
• Synthesis, Heal Bell and Giga Drain Florges
• Synthesis Gourgeist
• Pangoro with Drain Punch, Superpower, Gunk Shot and all elemental punches
• Malamar with Knock Off
• Vivillon with Giga Drain
• Slurpuff with Drain Punch and Heal Bell
  
• Meowstic with Heal Bell
• Hawlucha with all elemental punches, Superpower and Drain Punch
• Goodra with all elemental punches and Superpower
• Trevenant with Pain Split (holy shit)
• Diancie with Heal Bell and Earth Power
  
• Volcanion with Superpower and Earth Power

+ Freakin' everything got Magic Coat now!!

rip oras meta. . everything just got buffed with these new tutor moves and as well as these super insane megas .

 

[NotSoClutch]

rip oras meta. . everything just got buffed with these new tutor moves and as well as these super insane megas .

At least mega slowbro, audino, and altaria are keeping the ball in stalls court.

 

[Celticpride]

Drain Punch Chesnaught! So much better than Hammer Arm (I think, may have to run calcs to see if DP misses any KOes)
Diancie with Earth Power! Fariy+Ground is near perfect coverage, between those two, HP Fire and Diamond Storm it could be a beast. Also, GeoPass Mega Diancie? *shudders*
Volcanion with Superpower and Earth Power! So much mixed potential.
Diggersby with Knock Off, Superpower, all elemental punches and Gunk Shot! What the heck is going to stop Diggersby now?
Crunch Gyarados! It's not Knock Off, but I'll take it.

 

[Maniacr]

Chesnaught gets Pain Split and now also receives Syntheis via tutor. Previously it was an egg move. Like all the other Eeevelutions, Sylveon gets Heal Bell. Zygarde now gets Earth Power as well.

 

[Jaguar360]

Fire Punch lets Hawlucha not fade from existence if Aegislash ever drops. This set could probably fare well with or without Aegislash:
Hawlucha @ Life Orb
Ability: Limber
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Fire Punch
With Limber, Hawlucha is free to sweep pretty much whenever it wants, since it avoids Prankster T-Wave, allows Hawlucha to carry a Life Orb and does not make Hawlucha have one chance to sweep. Stone Edge hits Talonflame and Pinsir on the switch and +2 Fire Punch does big damage to Aegislash and 2HKOs some variants of Doublade. Of course, King's Shield mindgames restrict Hawlucha a bit, but unboosted Fire Punch does ~40% to it, which is much better than doing just about nothing pre-ORAS. Mold Breaker is also there for getting around things like Unaware.

Chesnaught gets Pain Split and now also receives Syntheis via tutor. Previously it was an egg move. Like all the other Eeevelutions, Sylveon gets Heal Bell. Zygarde now gets Earth Power as well.

Chesnuaght already got both of those moves via level-up and Sylveon could get Heal Bell through Pokebank. Still nice to have easier access to Heal Bell and Hyper Voice for Sylveon though.

 

[Bribery]

Knock Off Diggersby could be nice with the currently popular Pinsir-Diggersby-Magnezone core since it can lure and remove Skarmory's Shed Shell. Major 4MSS though.

As already mentioned Gunk Shot Greninja is incredible since it lets it break past AV Azumarill and Clefable, two of its common counters currently. With only 40 Atk EVs and a Naive/Hasty nature, it OHKOs max HP Azumarill and can OHKO 160 Def Calm Clefable after SR damage.

 

[Toljik]

Florges got a raw deal, it seems. Two redundant moves and a Grass type move that has horrible coverage with Fairy. As it is now, there's still no reason to use it over Sylveon.

Like, goddamn I never realized how bad Grass/Fairy is until now.

 

[WebBowser]

Reposting because convenience + relevance

Tutor moves: http://pastebin.com/8rbu6Fmp
New level up moves: http://pastebin.com/vJX9K9ni

Some notable things:
Gyarados now gets crunch
Florges now has synthesis to differentiate itself from sylveon
Chesnaught gets drain punch
Physical greninja now has a bigger movepool
Delphox continues to have no moves
Diggersby's movepool is now ridiculously big
Slurpuff now has drain punch so its belly drum unburden set isn't completely walled by steels
Pangoro now has a much better movepool
Hawlucha now gets drain punch and superpower if you don't like HJK, as well as a bunch of other neat moves
Tyrantrum now has superpower and outrage
Diancie now has earth power

Most notably, Slurpuff now has pretty good coverage + semi-reliable recovery and Hawlucha might be able to try out some sub-SD shenanigans.

 

[MrCookiepants]

Florges got a raw deal, it seems. Two redundant moves and a Grass type move that has horrible coverage with Fairy. As it is now, there's still no reason to use it over Sylveon.

Like, goddamn I never realized how bad Grass/Fairy is until now.

Synthesis means Florges doesn't need to run Protect to heal itself. That frees up a move slot to run both Toxic and Aromatherapy.

 

[Pottd]

Diggersby Just Became almost Un-Wallable
Diggersby @ Choice Scarf or Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Fire Punch

Skarm and Gengar can no longer switch in with impunity

 

[NotSoClutch]

Diggersby Just Became almost Un-Wallable
Diggersby @ Choice Scarf or Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Fire Punch

Skarm and Gengar can no longer switch in with impunity

Skarm already feared wild charge which will probably still be a thing to be honest as it's better coverage overall allowing it to hit things like mega aero too.

Fire Punch lets Hawlucha not fade from existence if Aegislash ever drops. This set could probably fare well with or without Aegislash:
Hawlucha @ Life Orb
Ability: Limber
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Fire Punch
With Limber, Hawlucha is free to sweep pretty much whenever it wants, since it avoids Prankster T-Wave, allows Hawlucha to carry a Life Orb and does not make Hawlucha have one chance to sweep. Stone Edge hits Talonflame and Pinsir on the switch and +2 Fire Punch does big damage to Aegislash and 2HKOs some variants of Doublade. Of course, King's Shield mindgames restrict Hawlucha a bit, but unboosted Fire Punch does ~40% to it, which is much better than doing just about nothing pre-ORAS. Mold Breaker is also there for getting around things like Unaware.

Chesnuaght already got both of those moves via level-up and Sylveon could get Heal Bell through Pokebank. Still nice to have easier access to Heal Bell and Hyper Voice for Sylveon though.

The problem with that Hawlucha is that it loses its two most valuable assets. Fighting/flying coverage and god tier speed. It's going to have to choose between aegislash and zapdos.

 

[Flamer]

So it looks like Diggersby got a whole lot better, Knock off completely annihiliates its no1 counter, gengar, on the switch and reduces the need for knock off on shit like pinsir for shed shell Skarm. Unfortunately, barely any mons recieved Stealth Rock as a tutor move, only the amaura line and Babarcle line, which is really disappointing but i guess thats the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[Pyritie]

Also knock off is now legal with play rough on mega absol

 

[alexwolf]

Guys, Diggersby could already easily OHKO Gengar with Wild Charge, which also takes care of Skarmory. I really don't see the appeal of Knock Off or Fire Punch when Wild Charge is better.

 

[Darth Manaphy]

Guys, Diggersby could already easily OHKO Gengar with Wild Charge, which also takes care of Skarmory. I really don't see the appeal of Knock Off or Fire Punch when Wild Charge is better.

Lack of recoil damage is always a plus.

 

[G-Von]

Yea I was thinking about it and although Diggersby did get a bunch of cool moves to abuse, they don't excatly help him all that much compared to what he already had. What Diggersby really needs is Double-Edge to break past Hippowdon.

 

[alexwolf]

Lack of recoil damage is always a plus.

Knock Off is not worth the coverage loss against Skarmory. However, Fire Punch is interesting on second thought, because it still 2HKOes Skarmory with SR or OHKOes it at +2, OHKOes Mega Scizor and Ferrothorn, but doesn't always OHKO Gengar on the switch, even after SR, which Wild Charge does.

 

[Flare Blitzle]

Might not be too relevant to OU, but Glalie appears to learn Freeze-Dry now (Glacia's Glalie has it). So at least the 120 Sp.Atk isn't a total waste.

 

[TheEnder]

Gunk Shot Greninja means Clefable and Azumarill no longer walls it, which is pretty huge, seeing as how these two are the most common answers. Knock Off also means mixed Greninja won't be utter garbage, as Gunk Shot does a ton to Chansey when its Eviolite is gone. Looking forward to a new metagame n_n

 

[WebBowser]

Might not be too relevant to OU, but Glalie appears to learn Freeze-Dry now (Glacia's Glalie has it). So at least the 120 Sp.Atk isn't a total waste.

To be fair, GF has been known to occasionally hand the AI illegal moves and mons (G/S level 40-something dragonite anyone?)

 

[Karxrida]

Gunk Shot Greninja means Clefable and Azumarill no longer walls it, which is pretty huge, seeing as how these two are the most common answers. Knock Off also means mixed Greninja won't be utter garbage, as Gunk Shot does a ton to Chansey when its Eviolite is gone. Looking forward to a new metagame n_n

Greninja doesn't get Knock Off, sadly, but mixed will still be good since Low Kick and Gunk Shot both do a ton of damage to their targets without investment.

 

[TheEnder]

Greninja doesn't get Knock Off, sadly, but mixed will still be good since Low Kick and Gunk Shot both do a ton of damage to their targets without investment.

lol derped there, that's Diggersby ;_;