aVocado
@ Everstone
stolen from Aragorn the King
Approved by llamas/molk
Banner by Bummer
Every generation is different and the metagame is constantly changing. However there has always been and always will be threats. Whether they are defensive threats or offensive threats, every competent player should have a way to handle top-tier threats. That's where you guys come in! This project aims to gather some of the common top-tier threats in the metagame and find Pokémon that can either check or counter them.
Procedure:
1. Every round, I will nominate a Pokémon for discussion. Within one week's time, you guys will have the ability to discuss and nominate various Pokémon that you think can either check or counter the victim of the week, with a description explaining how they can do that (look at other nominations for example!).
2. After the deadline, I will choose the top three checks and the top three counters. Should there be a lot of nominations, I will discuss my choices with other skilled players to ensure the selections are not biased and that all nominations have been considered thoroughly.
3. The results will be archived and the process will continue week after week.
Rules:
Update: to avoid confusion, everyone has to post damage calcs when they're submitting their check/counter. This makes it easier for everyone to see how effective the Pokemon in question is as a check/counter.
1. When nominating your check/counter please include:
2. Follow the definitions of checks and counters that was posted in The Smog issue #32:
4. Only post sets viable in RU. Niche Pokemon such as Roselia or Probopass are totally acceptable, but bottom-of-the-barrel stuff like Electivire and Shedinja aren't. The viability ranking thread is your best friend, so if something isn't ranked there, 95% of the time it's not worth posting here.
5. From Saturday - Tuesday, each person can only nominate one Pokemon. From Wednesday to Friday, you can nominate as many as you want.
6. Help people out if you think they're wrong, but please be nice.
7. Do be creative.
8. Have fun!
Crossed = not usable in RU anymore
Physical (Mega) Sharpedo
No Longer RU
Checks: Cobalion (Arikado) | Whimsicott (galbia) | Gurdurr (mauritsfb)
Counters: Aromatisse (The Leprechaun) | Alomomola (Molk)| Granbull (boltsandbombers)
Nasty Plot Houndoom
Checks: Dugtrio (me again) | Sharpedo (Kevun) | Emboar (Ranger Mike)
Counters: Combusken (galbia) | Zweilous (Hot N Cold) | Poliwrath (galbia again)
Choice Specs Dragalge
checks: Dugtrio (me) | Gligar (galbia) | Bronzong (Mega-Swampert)
counters: Registeel (boltsandbombers) | Cresselia (hilarious) | Golbat (me)
Mega Sceptile (Special Attacker)
Checks: Escavalier (boltsandbombers) | Whimsicott (galbia) | Aromatisse (Level 56)
Counters: Golbat (Kevun) | Togetic (Arikado) | Bronzong (Anty :3)
SubCM Cresselia
Checks: Durant (Anty) | Mega Steelix (unfixable) | Golbat (Kevun)
Counters: Curse Registeel (tehy) | Drapion (Level 56) | Doublade (boltsandbombers)
Mega Glalie
Checks: Alomomola (Anty), Doublade (Molk), Registeel (The Bravest Bird)
Counters: Bronzong (Choice Banned), Slowking (Kevun and tehy), Cobalion (Level 56)
Hitmonlee
Checks: Doublade (galbia) | Spiritomb (Level 56) | Weezing (lighthouses)
Counters: Amoonguss (Kingler12345) | Golbat (wh0sy0urpapa) | Aromatisse (boltsandbombers)
SD Doublade
Checks: Alomomola (Arikado) | Houndoom (boltsandbombers) | Meloetta (Molk)
Counters: Mega Steelix (galbia) | Quagsire (tehy) | Moltres (wh0sy0urpapa)
Curse Mega Steelix
Checks: Clawitzer (Arikado) | Magnet Rise SD Cobalion (Don Honchkrorleone) | Eelektross (FullLifeGames)
Counters: Slowking (Molk) | Pelipper (galbia) | Quagsire (tehy)
LO Medicham
Checks: Doublade (Gary2346) | Sigilyph (FullLifeGames) | Granbull (Molk)
Counters: Cresselia (galbia) | Reuniclus (Xyldaz) | Cofagrigus (Soulblaster)
honourable mentions: Spiritomb (tehy)
SD Mega Abomasnow
Checks: Durant (Gary2346) | Mega Steelix (Soulblaster) | Cobalion (FullLifeGames)
Counters: Weezing (Mistress Remilia) | Phys Def Bronzong (Don Honchkrorleone) | Fletchinder (HypnoEmpire)
Sub Swords Dance Cobalion
Checks: Cresselia (mauritsfb), Delphox (Mistress Remilia), Medicham (Molk)
Counters: Doublade (Level 56), Slowking (galbia), Jellicent (tehy) honorable mention to Quagsire (Kevun)
Choice Specs Exploud
Top Checks: Escavalier (blinkie), Cobalion (HypnoEmpire), Meloetta (Level 56), honorable mention to Sawk, sturdy is a pretty cool catch all on offense.
Top Counters: Cresselia (tehy), Bronzong (galbia), and Cradily (Molk), honorable mention to Registeel, which is easier to fit onto teams than dily or hp zonger
Calm Mind Reuniclus
Checks: Specs Meloetta (Arikado) | Band Durant (Psycho Pacifist) | Skuntank w/ Punishment (MrAldo)
Counters: Escavalier (Molk) | Taunt Spiritomb (unfixable) | Curse Quagsire (tehy)
honorable mention to SD Drapion (boltsandbombers)
Swords Dance Drapion
Checks: Specs Meloetta (Arikado) | Band Durant (Psycho Pacifist) | Skuntank w/ Punishment (MrAldo)
Counters: Escavalier (Molk) | Taunt Spiritomb (unfixable) | Curse Quagsire (tehy)
honorable mention to SD Drapion (boltsandbombers)
Hone Claws Durant
Checks: Delphox (Gorechomp) | Emboar (Ajna) | Jolteon (thecrystalonix)
Counters: Rotom-Fan (49) | Quagsire (Level 56) | Weezing (blinkie)
Swords Dance Virizion
Checks: Fletchinder (thecrystalonix) | Emboar (boltsandbombers) | Delphox (Level 56)
Counters: Togetic (michaeloche) | Exeggutor (49) | Reuniclus (gorex)
Honourable mention: Gourgest-Super (tehy)
Life Orb Noivern
checks: Choice Scarf Tyrantrum (HypnoEmpire) | Glalie (Kableye) | Offensive Accelgor Accelgor (Veleno)
counters: SpD Aromatisse (Funbot28) | Togetic(BenOhver) | Cradily (tehy
Choice Band Tyrantrum
hard checks: Mega Steelix (boltsandbombers), Cobalion (HypnoEmpire), Gurdurr (MrAldo) Rhyperior, (galbia) Torterra (xastify), Bronzong (Esidisi★)
soft checks: Scrafty (EonX), Dugtrio (Kableye), Virizion (BenOhver), Durant (Yonko7)
this week's victim:
Jellicent @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
- Taunt
- Will-O-Wisp
- Scald / Hex
- Recover
One of the biggest zero to hero transitions in recent months, Jellicent has made its mark as a top tier defensive threat in RU
So what Pokemon are able to keep it in line?
have fun.
Approved by llamas/molk
Banner by Bummer
Every generation is different and the metagame is constantly changing. However there has always been and always will be threats. Whether they are defensive threats or offensive threats, every competent player should have a way to handle top-tier threats. That's where you guys come in! This project aims to gather some of the common top-tier threats in the metagame and find Pokémon that can either check or counter them.
Procedure:
1. Every round, I will nominate a Pokémon for discussion. Within one week's time, you guys will have the ability to discuss and nominate various Pokémon that you think can either check or counter the victim of the week, with a description explaining how they can do that (look at other nominations for example!).
2. After the deadline, I will choose the top three checks and the top three counters. Should there be a lot of nominations, I will discuss my choices with other skilled players to ensure the selections are not biased and that all nominations have been considered thoroughly.
3. The results will be archived and the process will continue week after week.
Rules:
Update: to avoid confusion, everyone has to post damage calcs when they're submitting their check/counter. This makes it easier for everyone to see how effective the Pokemon in question is as a check/counter.
1. When nominating your check/counter please include:
2. Follow the definitions of checks and counters that was posted in The Smog issue #32:
3. When giving checks, follow the advice of alexwolf:Pokémon A checks Pokémon B if, when Pokémon A is given a free switch into Pokémon B, Pokémon A can win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.
Pokémon A counters Pokémon B if Pokémon A can manually switch into Pokémon B and still win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.
4. Only post sets viable in RU. Niche Pokemon such as Roselia or Probopass are totally acceptable, but bottom-of-the-barrel stuff like Electivire and Shedinja aren't. The viability ranking thread is your best friend, so if something isn't ranked there, 95% of the time it's not worth posting here.
5. From Saturday - Tuesday, each person can only nominate one Pokemon. From Wednesday to Friday, you can nominate as many as you want.
6. Help people out if you think they're wrong, but please be nice.
7. Do be creative.
8. Have fun!
No Longer RU
Counters: Aromatisse (The Leprechaun) | Alomomola (Molk)| Granbull (boltsandbombers)
Checks: Dugtrio (me again) | Sharpedo (Kevun) | Emboar (Ranger Mike)
Counters: Combusken (galbia) | Zweilous (Hot N Cold) | Poliwrath (galbia again)
checks: Dugtrio (me) | Gligar (galbia) | Bronzong (Mega-Swampert)
counters: Registeel (boltsandbombers) | Cresselia (hilarious) | Golbat (me)
Checks: Escavalier (boltsandbombers) | Whimsicott (galbia) | Aromatisse (Level 56)
Counters: Golbat (Kevun) | Togetic (Arikado) | Bronzong (Anty :3)
Checks: Durant (Anty) | Mega Steelix (unfixable) | Golbat (Kevun)
Counters: Curse Registeel (tehy) | Drapion (Level 56) | Doublade (boltsandbombers)
Checks: Alomomola (Anty), Doublade (Molk), Registeel (The Bravest Bird)
Counters: Bronzong (Choice Banned), Slowking (Kevun and tehy), Cobalion (Level 56)
Checks: Doublade (galbia) | Spiritomb (Level 56) | Weezing (lighthouses)
Counters: Amoonguss (Kingler12345) | Golbat (wh0sy0urpapa) | Aromatisse (boltsandbombers)
Checks: Alomomola (Arikado) | Houndoom (boltsandbombers) | Meloetta (Molk)
Counters: Mega Steelix (galbia) | Quagsire (tehy) | Moltres (wh0sy0urpapa)
Checks: Clawitzer (Arikado) | Magnet Rise SD Cobalion (Don Honchkrorleone) | Eelektross (FullLifeGames)
Counters: Slowking (Molk) | Pelipper (galbia) | Quagsire (tehy)
Checks: Doublade (Gary2346) | Sigilyph (FullLifeGames) | Granbull (Molk)
Counters: Cresselia (galbia) | Reuniclus (Xyldaz) | Cofagrigus (Soulblaster)
honourable mentions: Spiritomb (tehy)
Checks: Durant (Gary2346) | Mega Steelix (Soulblaster) | Cobalion (FullLifeGames)
Counters: Weezing (Mistress Remilia) | Phys Def Bronzong (Don Honchkrorleone) | Fletchinder (HypnoEmpire)
Checks: Cresselia (mauritsfb), Delphox (Mistress Remilia), Medicham (Molk)
Counters: Doublade (Level 56), Slowking (galbia), Jellicent (tehy) honorable mention to Quagsire (Kevun)
Top Checks: Escavalier (blinkie), Cobalion (HypnoEmpire), Meloetta (Level 56), honorable mention to Sawk, sturdy is a pretty cool catch all on offense.
Top Counters: Cresselia (tehy), Bronzong (galbia), and Cradily (Molk), honorable mention to Registeel, which is easier to fit onto teams than dily or hp zonger
Checks: Specs Meloetta (Arikado) | Band Durant (Psycho Pacifist) | Skuntank w/ Punishment (MrAldo)
Counters: Escavalier (Molk) | Taunt Spiritomb (unfixable) | Curse Quagsire (tehy)
honorable mention to SD Drapion (boltsandbombers)
Checks: Specs Meloetta (Arikado) | Band Durant (Psycho Pacifist) | Skuntank w/ Punishment (MrAldo)
Counters: Escavalier (Molk) | Taunt Spiritomb (unfixable) | Curse Quagsire (tehy)
honorable mention to SD Drapion (boltsandbombers)
Checks: Delphox (Gorechomp) | Emboar (Ajna) | Jolteon (thecrystalonix)
Counters: Rotom-Fan (49) | Quagsire (Level 56) | Weezing (blinkie)
Checks: Fletchinder (thecrystalonix) | Emboar (boltsandbombers) | Delphox (Level 56)
Counters: Togetic (michaeloche) | Exeggutor (49) | Reuniclus (gorex)
Honourable mention: Gourgest-Super (tehy)
checks: Choice Scarf Tyrantrum (HypnoEmpire) | Glalie (Kableye) | Offensive Accelgor Accelgor (Veleno)
counters: SpD Aromatisse (Funbot28) | Togetic(BenOhver) | Cradily (tehy
hard checks: Mega Steelix (boltsandbombers), Cobalion (HypnoEmpire), Gurdurr (MrAldo) Rhyperior, (galbia) Torterra (xastify), Bronzong (Esidisi★)
soft checks: Scrafty (EonX), Dugtrio (Kableye), Virizion (BenOhver), Durant (Yonko7)
this week's victim:
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
- Taunt
- Will-O-Wisp
- Scald / Hex
- Recover
One of the biggest zero to hero transitions in recent months, Jellicent has made its mark as a top tier defensive threat in RU
So what Pokemon are able to keep it in line?
have fun.
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