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Completed Orcinus vs EndQuote in yet another tournament training match

Discussion in 'ASB' started by waterwarrior, Apr 21, 2012.

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  1. waterwarrior

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    There's no time to explain. Start the battle.
    I SAID START
    Orcinus sends out his mons with items
    EndQuote sends out his mons with items and orders
    Orcinus orders
    AAAAAAAH
  2. Orcinus Duo

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    Gengar gets link cable, Mr. Mime gets a light clay.

    Watt is this.
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    Orcinus, could you pick abilities?
    It's kinda going to affect my actions against Mind.
  4. Orcinus Duo

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    darnit, i was hoping you wouldn't notice that...

    well, three excellent abilities, but I think I shall go with soundproof to avoid watt's bug buzz
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    No Bug Buzz? Curses.
    Well, we can't let him get screens up!
    [​IMG]
    Fang, get out there and hold this Life Orb [​IMG]
    Show them your Sheer Force! (Enable it)

    Attract (Mind) ~ Crunch (Mind) ~ Shadow Claw (Mind)

    IF Mind uses Magic Coat a1, Shadow Claw (Mind) that action.
    IF Mind attempts to Encore Attract, replace a1 with a Crunch (Mind)

    [​IMG]
    Watt, use Compoundeyes, please, and hold this Destiny Knot![​IMG]

    Attract (Purple Boss) ~ X-Scissor (Mind) ~ Leech Life (Mind)

    IF you are Taunted, Volt Switch (Mind) and push actions back.
    IF Mind attempts to Encore Attract, replace a1 with an X-Scissor (Mind)

    Not too much else we can do with only two substitutions.
  6. Orcinus Duo

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    None of your attracts will work...
    Purple boss: Perish Song (Hahahahaha dick move)-protect Mind-Taunt Feraligatr
    Mind: Reflect-thunder wave watt-Evasive Agility


    Attraction can only occur between Pokemon of different genders in the same Egg Group.

    Endquote I'm going to cry why do you keep doing stuff like this in our matches. :(

    And yes, I did choose soundproof so I could perish song. :D
  7. EndQuote

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    FUCK YOU'RE RIGHT.
    I WAS GOING BY THE BLOODY MOVE DESCRIPTION:
    GODS DAMN IT I SPENT LIKE 20 CC ON THAT DESTINY KNOT
    I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO LAUGH, RAGE, OR CRY.
  8. waterwarrior

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  9. Orcinus Duo

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    Wait what

    So the DAT is outdated? May I reorder in light of this? (although if attract works regardless of egg group this makes destiny knot so impossibly overpowered, and I would like this to be confirmed with a second source)
  10. Orcinus Duo

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    [02:15am] waterwarrior: orcinus, im not actually going to get to ref that for a while, so if you MUST re-order, go ahead

    all right then, reordering...

    Purple Boss: Protect-Perish Song-Protect Mind
    Mind: Taunt Feraligatr-Evasive Agility-Taunt Galvantula
  11. waterwarrior

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    Sorry for the delay guys.

    Pre-Round stats:
    [​IMG]
    Purple Boss
    HP: 90
    EN: 100
    [​IMG]
    Mind
    HP: 90
    EN: 100
    [​IMG]
    Fang
    HP: 100
    EN: 100
    [​IMG]
    Watt
    HP: 100
    EN: 100

    Speed order: Purple Boss -> Watt -> Mind -> Fang
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    Action 1
    Purple Boss used Protect! (7 EN)

    Attract -> Purple Boss (6 EN)
    But it failed!

    Taunt -> Fang (10 EN)
    Fang was taunted!

    Fang can't use Attract due to Taunt!

    Action 2
    Mind used Agilidodge evasive Teleport! (6 EN)

    X-Scissor -> Mind (5 EN)
    But it missed!

    Crunch -> Mind (6 EN)
    But it missed!

    Perish Song -> All (15 EN)
    You son of a bitch....

    Action 3
    Protect -> Mind (7 EN)

    Leech Life -> Mind (8 EN)
    RNG roll (to crit, 1/16 crit) 9 = no crit
    (6+3+(5-5)1.5)(1.5) = 13.5 DMG = 5 EN

    Taunt -> Watt (10 EN)
    Watt was taunted!

    Shadow Claw -> Mind (5 EN, 2 HP)
    RNG roll (to crit, <=2/16 crit) 8 = no crit
    (9+(5-3)1.5)(1.5) = 18 DMG = 7 EN

    Purple Boss' Perish counter fell to 2!
    Watt's Perish counter fell to 2!
    Fang's Perish counter fell to 2!


    Well, it looks like orcinus can easily win this one with his Perish Song and Soundproof shenanigans, but can he keep Mind alive for long enough to make this more than a tie for him, or will EndQuote be able to completely wipe him out in the next two rounds!?

    Post-Round stats:
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    Purple Boss
    HP: 90
    EN: 60
    Perish Song (2 rounds)
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    Mind
    HP: 90
    EN: 83
    [​IMG]
    Fang
    HP: 98
    EN: 89
    Taunted (3a)
    Perish Song (2 rounds)
    [​IMG]
    Watt
    HP: 100
    EN: 81
    Perish Song (2 rounds)
    Taunted (5a)
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    Orcinus, your Mr. Mime doesn't know Agility.
  13. Orcinus Duo

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    Fuck I meant teleport

    Shoot. Well, okay. Whoops.

    Orcinus derpbag.

    See this is why I'm glad we're having tha social group eeeeeek. No matter. Waterwarrior, what's the ruling?

    No matter, not affecting anything.

    Mind: Protect-Thunder Wave Galvantula-Protect
    Purple Boss: Torment Fang-Protect Mime-Hypnosis Galvantula

    If Galvantula uses volt switch
    -On Gengar A1, replace Gengar's A1 with hypnosis Galvantula
    -On Gengar A2, replace Gengar's A2 action with protect and A3 with disable volt switch
    -On Gengar A3 AND on Mime A2, replace Gengar's A2 with protect Mime and A3 with disable Volt switch
    This sub overrides all: If Galvantula uses a volt switch+agility combo on Gengar,
    -replace Gengars action with protect if it can be used successfully, and gengar's next action with disable volt switch
    -and Gengar cannot use protect successfully, replace minds action for that round with fake out Galvantula


    I lied still editing

    Jesus fuck how am I supposed to sub against volt switch + agility

    You know of I hadn't brought it up I wonder if endquote would've thought of it

    Ah he probably would've. Damn.


    OKAY NOW IM DONE

    I thinker against all forms of volt switch possible. Volt switch+sucker punch wouldn't work since I'm not attacking anything...and those are the only two priority moves available

    God I hope this works

    FINISHED
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    lol, his name is Waterwarrior.

    The social group idea just keeps getting better and better.

    EDIT: He called you wanderer. I would never laugh at the noble heritage of warriors of the water.
  15. waterwarrior

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    ..... What the hell am I missing? Why is my name funny?? What social group?! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

    Anyways, since orcinus ordered illegal actions, he would have to re-order. Obviously, the only change to the illegal actions would be changing Agility to Teleport, and he ordered second. SO, just changing the illegal Agility to the legal Teleport (which is just changing the name of the move, the EN costs and effect are the same) would be the easiest thing to do, and the logical thing. Carry on guys.
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    I've been up all night trying to figure out a way to win this.
    As far as I can figure out, I have to take down Purple Boss first.
    This battle is the most unfair, one-sided, and blatantly ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
    When one player doesn't even have the slightest hope of winning, no matter what they do, something is wrong.
    I was furious for a while, but now I'm just resigned. Battles like this simply cannot happen.

    Fang: Focus Punch + Bite Combo (Purple Boss) ~ Cooldown ~ Waterfall (Purple Boss)
    Keep Sheer Force enabled, please!
    IF Purple Boss is somehow KOed a3, replace that action with a

    Watt: Thunder + Thunder Combo (Purple Boss) ~ Cooldown ~ Thunderbolt (Purple Boss) (who I think is already koed but mind is protecting so whatever)
    Dig deep into your electric-typing, try to fight off paralysis, k?

    Dear RNG gods. Please let the Thunder combo hit. Please let Watt be able to fight off Paralysis. Please let everything crit. Love, EndQuote.
  17. waterwarrior

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    I'd just like to make it clear that, yes, I always knew that EndQuote was screwed. But hey, maybe you can find another way around or something? Also, it appears I forgot to add Life Orb last round.

    Pre-Round stats:
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    Purple Boss
    HP: 90
    EN: 60
    Perish Song (2 rounds)
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    Mind
    HP: 90
    EN: 83
    [​IMG]
    Fang
    HP: 98
    EN: 89
    Taunted (3a)
    Perish Song (2 rounds)
    [​IMG]
    Watt
    HP: 100
    EN: 81
    Perish Song (2 rounds)
    Taunted (5a)

    Only two more times.... and a shit-ton of Protecting
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    Action 1
    Mind used Protect! (7 EN)

    Torment -> Fang (10 EN)
    Toooormeeeeennt~

    Zeus' Wrath -> Purple Boss ((8+12)1.75) -1 = 34 EN)
    RNG roll (to hit, <=635/1000 hit) 393 = hit
    RNG roll (to crit) 1 = crit
    RNG roll (to para, <=60 para) 78 = no para
    ((12x2.25)+3+3+(5-3)1.5) = 36 DMG

    Focus Bite -> Purple Boss ((10+4)1.5 = 21 EN, 2 HP)
    RNG roll (to crit) 6 = no crit
    (15+6+2+(5-2)1.5)(1.5) = 41.25 DMG

    Action 2
    Protect > Mind (7 EN)
    But.... they can't attack

    Thunder Wave -> Watt (7 EN)
    Watt was paralyzed! (25%)

    Watt and Fang must cooldown!

    Action 3
    Mind used Protect! (7 EN)

    Hypnosis -> Watt (7 EN)
    RNG roll (to hit, <=87 hit) 29 = hit
    Watt fell asleep!
    RNG roll (for intensity, <=66 1 action) 54 = 1 action

    Waterfall -> Purple Boss (5 EN, 2 HP)
    RNG roll (to crit) 16 = no crit
    (12+3+(5-2)1.5) = 19.5 DMG
    Purple Boss fainted!

    Watt is asleep!


    So, its becoming clearer and clearer than EndQuote really can't win. However, playing devil's advocate, you could've at least drained Mind's EN by sending the combos her way... would it KO her? No. Would it make it slightly more possible to KO Mind? Sort of.

    Post-Round stats:
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    Purple Boss
    HP: -7
    EN: KO
    Perish Song (1 rounds)
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    Mind
    HP: 90
    EN: 62
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    Fang
    HP: 94
    EN: 63
    Perish Song (1 rounds)
    Tormented (3a)
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    Watt
    HP: 100
    EN: 47
    Perish Song (1 round)
    Taunted (2a)
    Paralyzed (20%)

    Hey, at least you get a KOC out of this... right? Right?
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    I ran the calcs.
    Because Fang is Tormented and Watt was going to be hypnotized, there wasn't a way to force the Protects to cost enough energy.
    I'm going to post actions in a bit.
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    I didn't know Volt Switch would remove Perish Song.
    Maybe I have a chance...

    Watt: Volt Switch (Mind) ~ Thunder (Mind) ~ X-Scissor (Mind)
    If you still have a Perish Count a2 or a3, use Volt Switch (Mind)
    If Bide is used, Protect the action it releases.
    The first substitution takes priority over the second.

    Fang: Roar (Watt) ~ Shadow Claw (Mind) ~ Crunch + Giga Impact (Mind)
    If Watt still has a Perish Count a2 or a3, use Roar (Watt)
    IF an evasive move is used a3, use the combo on a2 instead.
    The first substitution takes priority over the second.
    Keep Sheer Force Enabled

    Get at me, Orcinus. XD
  20. Orcinus Duo

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    Yeah I realized I screwed up when I saw that fang was no longer taunted. I spent ten minutes last night trying to figure out a way out of roar+switch, but nothing came up. Doubleslap+Fake Out is definitely a combo I want to try out sometime soon though.

    Another solution, endquote, would've been to volt switch (fang) in round 2. I would've subbed against it, but then I realized I had no way past volt switch+agility (fang), so I didnt want to give you any ideas with my subs.

    But let's do this mind. We can win this anyways. It's just a bug.

    Toxic Watt-Evasive Agility-Substitute 20[/B

    EDIT: God damn me
    Toxic Watt-Evasive TELEPORT-Substitute 20
  21. waterwarrior

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    Well, I'll admit the wording in Perish Song's description would make one think that you can't get out of one inflicted by the opponent... Although, I must say that I'm sorry that, due to the late reffing, I screwed you guys out of some moves...

    Pre-Round stats:
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    Mind
    HP: 90
    EN: 62
    [​IMG]
    Fang
    HP: 94
    EN: 63
    Perish Song (1 rounds)
    Tormented (3a)
    [​IMG]
    Watt
    HP: 100
    EN: 47
    Perish Song (1 round)
    Taunted (2a)
    Paralyzed (20%)

    Can EndQuote actually get through this match with a win after all?
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    Action 1
    Toxic -> Watt (7 EN)
    Orcinus, the hell is with you and putting pokes on timers this match?

    RNG roll (for para, <=20 para) 54 = no para
    Volt Switch -> Mind (4 EN)
    RNG roll (to crit) 14 = no crit
    (7+3+(5-5)1.5) = 10 DMG
    Watt's Perish Count went away! Watt is no longer taunted! His ass is saved!

    Roar -> Watt (7 EN)
    Better safe than sorry, I suppose

    Toxic -> Watt (1 DMG)

    Action 2
    Mind used Evasive Teleport! (6 EN)

    Shadow Claw -> Mind (5 EN)
    Mind evaded the attack!

    RNG roll (for para) 16 = full para
    Watt was paralyzed! It couldn't move! (drop to 15%)

    Toxic -> Watt (1 DMG)

    Action 3
    Mind used Substitute! (18 EN, 20 HP)

    RNG roll (for para, <=15 para) 63 = no para
    X-Scissor -> Substitute (5 EN)
    RNG roll (to crit) 7 = no crit
    (8+3+(3-3)1.5)(1.5) = 16.5 DMG
    The substitute took the damage!

    Giga Crunch -> Substitute
    RNG roll (to hit, <=95 hit) 2 = hit
    RNG roll (to crit) 5 = no crit
    (23+(5-3)1.5) = a hell of a lot more than 3.5
    The Substitute faded!

    Toxic -> Watt (1 DMG)

    Fang's Perish Count fell to 0! Fang fainted!


    With Substitute shenanigans and Perish counts finally running out, we're down to one poke per side! With 5 chills remaining for both pokes and a a rather large amount of HP for both Pokemon, who will come out victorious?!

    Post-Round stats:
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    Mind
    HP: 80
    EN: 31
    [​IMG]
    Fang
    HP: KO
    EN: KO
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    Watt
    HP: 97
    EN: 38
    Paralyzed (10%)
    Toxic (2 DPA)
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    Taunt Watt-Chill-Chill
    If on any action, Watt isn't taunted, replace that action with taunt if you can still use it
    If volt switch, replace with disable volt switch and pushback
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    Protect ~ Thunder ~ Volt Switch
    Checkmate, Orcinus.
    Probably should have said "Disable volt switch next action", not just "replace with Disable Volt Switch"
  24. waterwarrior

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    Well, EndQuote, there is... one thing that can stop your master plan...

    Pre-Round stats:
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    Mind
    HP: 80
    EN: 31
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    Watt
    HP: 97
    EN: 38
    Paralyzed (10%)
    Toxic (2 DPA)

    Let's just say, the RNG hates your guts.
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    Action 1
    RNG roll (for full para, <=10 para) 2 = full para
    Yep. That. (drop to 5%)

    Taunt -> Watt (10 EN)
    Sorry EndQuote.

    Toxic -> Watt (2 DMG)

    Action 2
    Mind chilled! (+12 EN)

    Thunder -> Mind (7 EN)
    RNG roll (to crit) 3 = no crit
    RNG roll (to para) 80 = no para
    (12+3) = 15 DMG

    Toxic -> Watt (2 DMG)

    Action 3
    Mind used Disable (Volt Switch)! (7 EN)
    But it failed!

    RNG roll (for full para, <=5 para) 11 = no para
    Volt Switch -> Mind (4 EN)
    RNG roll (to crit) 11 = no crit
    (7+3+(5-5)1.5) = 10 DMG

    Toxic -> Watt (1 DMG)


    What COULD HAVE been the end of the match, with an absolutely amazing comeback... turned this match into a stallfest. Fuck you, random.org.

    Post-Round stats:
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    Mind
    HP: 55
    EN: 26
    [​IMG]
    Watt
    HP: 92
    EN: 27
    Toxic (2 DPA)
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    Oh my gods I hate everything.
    I'll order right after I finish cursing Random.org.
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