It is not secret that some Pokemon are better than others. However, even within Overused there is a huge difference in the quality of Pokemon - and not even ones from the bottom of the usage list. In this thread I will discuss what I and many other players consider to be the overrated OU Pokemon; things we would never use except for an extremely specialized role or for entertainment. Alakazam With 120 base Speed and 135 base Special Attack, Alakazam may seem like a powerhouse; however, in reality it is dead weight against most teams. When analyzing the usefulness of a sweeper, one must take into account several things: Which Pokemon stop it? To what extent do they stop it? Does the sweeper have any options to get past its counters / checks? What kinds of teams are those Pokemon used on? In Alakakazam's case, its poor defenses mean that if it takes an attack it will likely be KOed. So the Pokemon which stop it are either naturally faster, are holding Choice Scarf, or are using a Priority move. Additionally, Blissey can switch into Alakazam and, even if it takes a Trick, will likely defeat Alakazam 1v1 or cripple it. So that answers questions one and two. As far as tech options go, Alakazam doesn't really have anything that will allow it wo win against any of the above mentioned Pokemon; most of the attacks it takes are physical, and it will still lose to Blissey after it tricks. Question four is difficult to come up with a concrete answer for, but as it is the most important question, generalizations will have to do. Every offensive team under the sun is using at least one priority Pokemon, probably 80% of them use at least one Pokemon with Choice Scarf, and occasionally they will use things like Jolteon and Weavile which outspeed Alakazam. So Offensive teams will likely have little trouble with Alakazam. Probably over 90% of stall teams carry Blissey and something else with at least decent Special Defense (Cresselia, Latias, Rotom) which can take out Alakazam. So stall teams are out. Balanced teams frequently use at least one Scarf or priority Pokemon to prevent sweeps, and besides that will likely have several Pokemon which can survive a hit from Alakazam and OHKO it (things like Metagross, Jirachi, Rotom, Bulky Waters, Zapdos). I realize that generalizing all common teams into three basic types is a bit naive, but with only six Pokemon allowed per team the generization is fairly accurate. Since all common team types carry multiple Pokemon which can easily defeat it, Alakazam is not worth using in OU. Donphan A lot of people (myself included) were shocked to learn that Donphan is still OU. As a bulky ground type, Donphan is severely outclass by both Hippowdon and Swampert, due to Slack Off on the former and better typing on the latter. As a Rapid Spinner, Donphan is outclassed by Forretress, Starmie, and even Claydol (come on, immunity to spikes and resistance to SR). Some players have attempted to use Choice Band or Life Orb Donphan in an attempt to damage ghosts as they switch in to block Rapid Spin, but even this strategy is terrible compared to simply using something with Pursuit. So the only real reason to use Donphan is if you need a physically bulky Rapid Spinner with good attack, but mediocre typing and abysmal Special Defense. Already Forretress is doing this job better, with the same Special Defense value and only 30 fewer Hit Points, as well as better typing and access to a far superior support movepool. The lower attack is hardly a concern for a stall team. As a physical wall Donphan fares well enough, but without recovery, even things it is meant to counter like Tyranitar and Salamence can simply wear it out (Ice Shard will not OHKO Salamence even after SR damage without Attack EVs). Not to mention if the opponent uses Toxic Spikes then you will have to sent Donphan in, rapid spin, use aromatherapy, and then pass wish to it to heal it. Starmie, Forretress, and Tentacruel all fare much better. Dusknoir Honeslty I'm not sure how this is still in OU, since Rotom outclasses it in almost every way. Dusknoir may have higher Defenses, but Rotom's Electric typing with Levitate gives it a distinct defensive advantage, since it can effectively counter Scizor, Metagross, Scarf Jirachi, Electivire, all of which give Dusknoir trouble. The main threat to either of them is CB Tyranitar, and Dusknoir's higher defenses will likely not stop it from being OHKOed by Crunch. Rotom is faster, has more power attacks, has better typing, is immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes, can one or two-hit KO every Rapid Spinner in OU, has a better attacking movepool, has more status options, and has more than one viable strategy; Dusknoir has none of these qualities. Dusknoir has higher Defenses, but they are often negligible against the most common Ghost counter in the game. The pros do not even come close to outweighing the cons; Dusknoir is severely in essentially every way by Rotom. Electivire Electivire suffers similar problems to Alakazam. Let's run it through the same criteria: 1.) What stops it? Anything faster or which can take a hit from it and retaliate with a damaging move. A large portion of OU falls into this category. 2.) To what extent? Electivire will be KOed in this case. 3.) Does it have options to allow it to beat its counters? Electivire's Support movepool consists of...Meditate. It really has no other way of dealing extra damage to its counters or stopping them from KOing. 4.) What types of team are these Pokemon used on? The problem with Electivire is has literally no function besides sweeping, and it misses too many OHKOes to be good at that. Even though it hits 3/4 of the type chart for Super Effective damage, the attacks it uses are so weak that it is easy to retaliate against. It's most powerful physical attack is Thunderpunch, which reaches 112.5 base power with STAB, which wouldn't be so terrible except that Electric only his two types for super effective damage. So it is forced to rely on its weaker unSTAB'd attacks, or else use its mediocre 95 base Special Attack. Even Blissey, Celebi, Jirachi, etc are not OHKOed by Electivire. It might fare well against more offensive teams if it didn't absolutely need the Speed boost, and Electric attacks are fairly uncommon on offensive teams (Rotom and Zapdos are not really offensive Pokemon). Even then Electivire will be taken out by things like Scarf Salamence, Gengar, or Jirachi, or else by ExtremeSpeed. To sum up: Electivire has difficulty sweeping against any kind of team. Its physical movepool's base powers are too low, and its Special Attack is too low for it to do any severe damage. Additionally, its typing only gives it two resistances, and its only STAB attacks only hit for super effective damage against two types. Ninjask I can go over this one pretty easily I think. Ninjask almost always will lose against: Anything with Whirlwind or Roar Anything with a priority attack Anything with Taunt Phazing is a staple of defense; priority is a staple of offense. Very few teams carry neither. Additionally: Due to the frequence of Stealth Rock, Ninjask can probably only be used once, or twice if you get lucky. Ninjask only has one reliable function Ninjask will very rarely be able to pass anything but Speed unless the opponent switches, making it even more useless against Stall. With Liechi Berry it puts itself at huge risk of losing to priority or phazing. Scizor is the most common Pokemon in OU; Metagross is the most common lead in OU. Both carry Bullet Punch. phew. Porygon-Z Here we have another sweeper! Let's run it through the criteria, and discuss from there: 1.) What Pokemon stop it? Its most common counters are Blissey, Tyranitar, and Heatran (though there are obviously others). 2.) To what extent? Tyranitar and Heatran will OHKO it; Blissey will at least Paralyze it. 3.) Does it have options to beat its counters? Nasty Plot Pory-Z can sometime beat Blissey (though it will still be paralyzed in all likelyhood); with HP Fighting it can beat Tyranitar; with HP Ground it can beat Heatran. 4.) What Kinds of teams are its counters used on? Blissey is on nearly every defensive team. Tyranitar and / or Heatran are on nearly every offensive and balanced team. So why is Porygon-Z no good? Well, its 90 base speed and Normal typing are the main reasons. With only 90 base speed, it will likely be outsped by 4-6 pokemon on offesnive teams, and by 3-4 on balanced teams. Its weak defenses ensure that most things that outspeed it will damage it pretty severely. Normal is a terrible offensive type, since it resists nothing besides the Ghost, which is almost never used. It is also resisted by Steel, and without a fire attack porygon is forced to use the relatively weak hidden power to take them down. With 2-3 steels on every team in OU this is a pretty terrible way to go about sweeping. Additionally, its tactics used to take down its counters are pretty lackluster. It is crippled while taking down Blissey, and it struggles to get the Nasty Plot required to take down Tyranitar and Heatran. Anything faster than it will likely OHKO, and with so many pokemon sitting above 100 Speed or using a choice scarf, Porygon-Z really has very little application in OU. ----------------------------------------------------------- What Pokemon do you believe are horribly overrated? What pokemon do you never use? Is there anything else you think "doesn't deserve to be OU", or something on my list which you feel does? Obviously I encourage everyone to disagree with me and / or discuss your own overrated mons, but please make detailed responses!