Today's been kooky, that's for sure.
Anyway, here's the post you've all been waiting on.
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Howdy everyone!
I quoted every single Flyhn and Asek post. And responded to most of them. Wanted to give thoughts on every player, and I thought I'd start alphabetically for kicks.
And then I ran into this.
I maintain my stance that you shouldn't base a read off of OOG factors. That's one of my rules. But I was so busy focusing on that I didn't realize what this meant in regards to Asek. Let's talk about it.
Asek cleared a rather scumread slot, based on an OOG factor that only they ever brought up.
Scum would never do that.
Think about it. You're scum, you see a townie getting scumread by quite a few folks. They get subbed out. You think to yourself, "Myself," you think, "Scum!Walrein would never sub out like that for this skeleton." But you don't say that. Not out loud. Because Borath here is a potential mislynch. You need as many mislynches as possible. So you certainly don't hardclear the slot out of the blue because of the OOG factor. Only a townie trying to narrow the PoE would do that.
Sometimes, it's just that simple. Sure, I could keep reading, or I could've just not deleted my ISO up to this point, but why bother? My mind's made up. Asek does not do this as scum unless he's crazy.
Lock it in.
ASEK IS TOWN.
Next up on my alphabetical list is Borath the Oscillator. I have some insider information that he may be town. I've seen his Role PM after all-
It just now occurred me that due to the nature of my substitution I never actually saw my Role PM.
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Well since I didn't get an invite to the scum chat I'm going to assume I'm town.
By the way nobody got the joke in this post so I'll explain it.
As an aside I don't feel like making any defenses because who cares?
BORATH THE OSCILLATOR IS A SEXUAL PACHYCEPHALOSAURUS.
Next up is Gale, I believe. Gale was...
OM Room!
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Who was...
Betathunder!
The fabled substitute sandwich! I never thought I'd see the day...
Anyway, this guy's top scum right now since I just cleared Asek, so let's see how this goes...
Well on D1 Betathunder was useless. And then he subbed out. What are the odds?
Anywho there's not much to work with there so let's talk about the Nightkill. Blazade was killed, and Blazade suspected several folk, including Beta. Suspicious? Not really.
Now, the Josh kill I'd be willing to theorycraft on. Josh had a hard town read on Betathunder. This transferred to OM Room. After he made sure everyone knew this, he was killed. Interesting...
I don't believe the kill was made to frame Walrein/Myself. I think it was made to make OM Room look better. Somebody play the X-Files theme for me.
What the fuck?
Josh is just a bit everywhere; but his logic connects at some points, but falls in later ones. Overall the impression given is a chill town player who knows what he's doing; but doesn't matter if he's lynched or not otherwise then that we lose a town player; predicting him to be a VT instead of a power role.
There are some people I know who would call this a scumslip. There are some people I know who would say it is an example of a derpclear being DENIED. I think it's closer to being a scumslip.
Let's look at the facts. There are no power roles this game. Simple enough concept to wrap your grey matter around. But here OM Room says he "[predicts] he is VT instead of a power role". That's where the derpclear comes in, and where it gets DENIED. But put that together with the entire statement as a whole. This is tone reading 102, so pay attention. (Full disclosure: Tone reading is a bitch.)
"predicting him to be a VT instead of a power role"
"logic connects at some points, but falls in later ones"
"doesn't matter if he's lynched or not"
Let's talk about something that jumped out at me here, most notably in the first quote. Would it surprise you to see any of these statements in your scum chat? Because I wouldn't be. Being on the lookout for power roles and dismissing the possibility of someone being a power role isn't really something townies do. Sure, at high level play you try to predict who is a PR and leave cover for them or try to save them from a lynch, but both of those things involve not mentioning you think they're VT. The only person who would care about narrowing down the PRs would be... scum, of course. The final quote shows a detachment from lynches, especially when coupled with the fact that OM Room seems to imply Josh is town, something OM Room shouldn't know.
This post is a fucking gold mine on the re-read.
One last little bit is his Walrein read. Plays it safe by claiming a town read but throws some shade by claiming Josh "picked up" on the "[subtle] scum[tells]". This of course leaves options open, so he could decide later whether he wanted to change his mind on Walrein/Myself, or just pocket the slot.
DEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNIIIIIIIEEEEEEEDDDDDD
Also blatant PR fishing.
Again.
Neither is aubisio, despite aubisio being the main wagon that day and at that point.
Also this post is absurd.
Speaking of manipulative behavior, Gale fudges the truth a bit when he says Hawkie is for an rssp1 lynch, thereby planting seeds in others' minds that "Hey, if two people think it's a good idea..."
What do I mean? In the first post linked, Hawkie is stating a fact, not presenting an attack. In the second post linked, rssp1 isn't mentioned at all. This shoddy argument is... well, shoddy.
"I'm townreading these two."
"FUCKIN- AMAZING! WE GOT 'EM BOYS!"
You say that thinking twin v texas is T v T means rssp1 is scum. Why? Because you disagree? Well too bad.
Oh, and if you disagree, that means twin is lock scum now that Tex is dead and town, yeah?
I'll tell you what I think. I think you're trying to either imitate your town game (which I haven't seen) or you're trying to powerwolf and doing a poor job of it.
But what the actual fuck does that last sentence even mean?
Also why the fuck would rssp1, as scum, want to clear two townies who are trying to lynch each other?
Also the phrasing of "what about Borath the Oscillator?" is great. You don't need to ask permission to have a genuine scum read.
Secondly, despite stating I have to be scum, here's his next post:
That didn't happen though. And I think Asek is town.
You do the math.
I will. I've decided.
Given you've gone AWOL, I'll take that as a concession.
GALE WING SROCK IS A TRAITOROUS CUR AND MY EARLIER COMMENTS ABOUT OM ROOM'S CHARACTER ARE LIKELY TRUE
So yeah that's my opinions on the lynches today. Thoughts? I could do twin and rssp1 also but I'm quite lazy.
Anyway, here's the post you've all been waiting on.
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Howdy everyone!
I quoted every single Flyhn and Asek post. And responded to most of them. Wanted to give thoughts on every player, and I thought I'd start alphabetically for kicks.
And then I ran into this.
I'll go ahead and remove the parts that don't matter.
I don't think I ever really addressed it, and despite Asek bringing it up often, I had almost forgotten about it. Hadn't really fully registered. But now it has. And holy shit.
I maintain my stance that you shouldn't base a read off of OOG factors. That's one of my rules. But I was so busy focusing on that I didn't realize what this meant in regards to Asek. Let's talk about it.
Asek cleared a rather scumread slot, based on an OOG factor that only they ever brought up.
Scum would never do that.
Think about it. You're scum, you see a townie getting scumread by quite a few folks. They get subbed out. You think to yourself, "Myself," you think, "Scum!Walrein would never sub out like that for this skeleton." But you don't say that. Not out loud. Because Borath here is a potential mislynch. You need as many mislynches as possible. So you certainly don't hardclear the slot out of the blue because of the OOG factor. Only a townie trying to narrow the PoE would do that.
Sometimes, it's just that simple. Sure, I could keep reading, or I could've just not deleted my ISO up to this point, but why bother? My mind's made up. Asek does not do this as scum unless he's crazy.
Lock it in.
ASEK IS TOWN.
Next up on my alphabetical list is Borath the Oscillator. I have some insider information that he may be town. I've seen his Role PM after all-
It just now occurred me that due to the nature of my substitution I never actually saw my Role PM.
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Well since I didn't get an invite to the scum chat I'm going to assume I'm town.
By the way nobody got the joke in this post so I'll explain it.
I gave examples of hedging, a scum tell, and then proceeded to use all of those examples. Nobody called me out on it. I was very sad.
As an aside I don't feel like making any defenses because who cares?
BORATH THE OSCILLATOR IS A SEXUAL PACHYCEPHALOSAURUS.
Next up is Gale, I believe. Gale was...
OM Room!
...
Who was...
Betathunder!
The fabled substitute sandwich! I never thought I'd see the day...
Anyway, this guy's top scum right now since I just cleared Asek, so let's see how this goes...
Well on D1 Betathunder was useless. And then he subbed out. What are the odds?
Anywho there's not much to work with there so let's talk about the Nightkill. Blazade was killed, and Blazade suspected several folk, including Beta. Suspicious? Not really.
Now, the Josh kill I'd be willing to theorycraft on. Josh had a hard town read on Betathunder. This transferred to OM Room. After he made sure everyone knew this, he was killed. Interesting...
I don't believe the kill was made to frame Walrein/Myself. I think it was made to make OM Room look better. Somebody play the X-Files theme for me.
What the fuck?
Josh is just a bit everywhere; but his logic connects at some points, but falls in later ones. Overall the impression given is a chill town player who knows what he's doing; but doesn't matter if he's lynched or not otherwise then that we lose a town player; predicting him to be a VT instead of a power role.
There are some people I know who would call this a scumslip. There are some people I know who would say it is an example of a derpclear being DENIED. I think it's closer to being a scumslip.
Let's look at the facts. There are no power roles this game. Simple enough concept to wrap your grey matter around. But here OM Room says he "[predicts] he is VT instead of a power role". That's where the derpclear comes in, and where it gets DENIED. But put that together with the entire statement as a whole. This is tone reading 102, so pay attention. (Full disclosure: Tone reading is a bitch.)
"predicting him to be a VT instead of a power role"
"logic connects at some points, but falls in later ones"
"doesn't matter if he's lynched or not"
Let's talk about something that jumped out at me here, most notably in the first quote. Would it surprise you to see any of these statements in your scum chat? Because I wouldn't be. Being on the lookout for power roles and dismissing the possibility of someone being a power role isn't really something townies do. Sure, at high level play you try to predict who is a PR and leave cover for them or try to save them from a lynch, but both of those things involve not mentioning you think they're VT. The only person who would care about narrowing down the PRs would be... scum, of course. The final quote shows a detachment from lynches, especially when coupled with the fact that OM Room seems to imply Josh is town, something OM Room shouldn't know.
This post is a fucking gold mine on the re-read.
One last little bit is his Walrein read. Plays it safe by claiming a town read but throws some shade by claiming Josh "picked up" on the "[subtle] scum[tells]". This of course leaves options open, so he could decide later whether he wanted to change his mind on Walrein/Myself, or just pocket the slot.
DERPCLEAR...
DEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNIIIIIIIEEEEEEEDDDDDD
Also blatant PR fishing.
Again.
Twin isn't on this list. NOTED.
Neither is aubisio, despite aubisio being the main wagon that day and at that point.
Also this post is absurd.
Speaking of manipulative behavior, Gale fudges the truth a bit when he says Hawkie is for an rssp1 lynch, thereby planting seeds in others' minds that "Hey, if two people think it's a good idea..."
What do I mean? In the first post linked, Hawkie is stating a fact, not presenting an attack. In the second post linked, rssp1 isn't mentioned at all. This shoddy argument is... well, shoddy.
This is nonsense.
"I'm townreading these two."
"FUCKIN- AMAZING! WE GOT 'EM BOYS!"
Yes it can. You're not the god who decides what tells people are allowed to use.
You say that thinking twin v texas is T v T means rssp1 is scum. Why? Because you disagree? Well too bad.
Oh, and if you disagree, that means twin is lock scum now that Tex is dead and town, yeah?
I'll tell you what I think. I think you're trying to either imitate your town game (which I haven't seen) or you're trying to powerwolf and doing a poor job of it.
Alright fine, that's fair, you think this is a possible TMI. I can buy that.
But what the actual fuck does that last sentence even mean?
Also why the fuck would rssp1, as scum, want to clear two townies who are trying to lynch each other?
Just let the irony sink in on this one.
So the rssp1 wagon fails to gain traction. So Gale jumps again. Notice that while he jumps from wagon to wagon, he never defends aubisio. He doesn't want to stop that lynch, he just wants to make sure townies are going against townies.
Also the phrasing of "what about Borath the Oscillator?" is great. You don't need to ask permission to have a genuine scum read.
First off, his traction argument is stupid. He goes on about it for a while without directly addressing it, hoping everyone will buy into it. Whenever rssp1 asks about it Gale responds with "it's complicated" or "it's a scumhunting tool" without going in-depth.
Secondly, despite stating I have to be scum, here's his next post:
Your confidence continues to impress.
I stand by my response.
At this point he makes a huge post about rssp1 that's basically just a bunch of baloney.
Thanks for the commentary, chief.
This is fucking ludicrous. Assuming that both Asek and Gale are town, and this was our last lynch (which we certainly believed), and there are at least two scum (which we also believed at the time and sort of believe now) then this would have been GG. A throw for the ages.
That didn't happen though. And I think Asek is town.
You do the math.
This is getting near comedic. Can I stop this ISO now?
I will. I've decided.
Given you've gone AWOL, I'll take that as a concession.
GALE WING SROCK IS A TRAITOROUS CUR AND MY EARLIER COMMENTS ABOUT OM ROOM'S CHARACTER ARE LIKELY TRUE
So yeah that's my opinions on the lynches today. Thoughts? I could do twin and rssp1 also but I'm quite lazy.
