1. Welcome to Smogon! Check out the Smogon Starters Hangout for everything you need to know about starting out in the community. Don't forget to introduce yourself in the Introduction and Hangout Thread, too!
  2. Welcome to Smogon Forums! Please take a minute to read the rules.

Gen 1 partial trapping moves on NB

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Hipmonlee, May 27, 2011.

  1. Hipmonlee

    Hipmonlee Have a rice day
    is a Smogon IRC AOp Alumnusis a Super Moderator Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnusis a Past WCoP Winner

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2004
    Messages:
    7,338
    are glitched. Worse than we thought.

    From Kamex's RBY stuff guide:
    This isnt implemented, they seem to attack for each number of turns with the same probability.

    IE they do on average 16.67% more damage per usage than they ought to. It's a pretty serious glitch.

    Have a nice day.
  2. Umby

    Umby I'm gonna bury you in the ground~
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2005
    Messages:
    1,501
    How/when did you find this out?
  3. Hipmonlee

    Hipmonlee Have a rice day
    is a Smogon IRC AOp Alumnusis a Super Moderator Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnusis a Past WCoP Winner

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2004
    Messages:
    7,338
    Last night when I battled EW with a team full of onixes against a team full of onixes.

    We used Bind 316 times, it hit 236 times, and the moves continued 586 times. Which is roughly 2.5 continues per hit -exactly what you would expect if it was continuing each amount of times with equal probability (bear in mind that there were some continues cut off due to KOs, though a very small number).

    Have a nice day.
  4. Arcticblast

    Arcticblast It hasn't been as nice at night these last few days
    is a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Community Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnusis a SPL Winner

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    5,625
    Pardon me asking, but... why exactly were you having a battle with twelve Onix?
  5. Hipmonlee

    Hipmonlee Have a rice day
    is a Smogon IRC AOp Alumnusis a Super Moderator Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnusis a Past WCoP Winner

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2004
    Messages:
    7,338
    To test whether partial trapping moves were glitched or not.

    My maths was off, they do 16.67% more than they ought to per hit. Still pretty significant.

    Have a nice day.
  6. t3h Icy

    t3h Icy

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2009
    Messages:
    73
    1 3/8 = 3/8
    2 3/8 = 6/8
    3 1/8 = 3/8
    4 1/8 = 4/8
    =16/8 = 2 continues per use on average.

    1 1/4 = 1/4
    2 1/4 = 2/4
    3 1/4 = 3/4
    4 1/4 = 4/4
    =10/4 = 2.5 continues per use on average

    586 continues over 236 hits is 2.483....

    So it looks like Netbattle is bugged.
  7. 133tSneasel

    133tSneasel

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2005
    Messages:
    964
    Couldn't you have use Tangela? or Pokemon with Wrap?
  8. Ereborus Nyx

    Ereborus Nyx

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2011
    Messages:
    153
    nah, onix is the only way froward, plus, things like bind and wrap are NFE on it, so more time for analysis
  9. 420

    420

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2009
    Messages:
    245
    how BORED do you have to be to do this?
  10. Ereborus Nyx

    Ereborus Nyx

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2011
    Messages:
    153
    very bored and slightly senile
  11. Parasol_Kirby

    Parasol_Kirby

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2007
    Messages:
    100
    Good find! Even so, it reminds me of that section from the premier issue of The Smog:

  12. t3h Icy

    t3h Icy

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2009
    Messages:
    73
    ?_?

    Hold CTRL + Spacebar and you're done in minutes at most.
  13. Destiny Warrior

    Destiny Warrior also known as Darkwing_Duck
    is a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2009
    Messages:
    3,171
    I think people should stop criticizing this kind of bug testing. They've obviously taken effort to do this.
  14. Pocket

    Pocket Apo, the astronaut's best friend >:3
    is a Site Staff Alumnusis a Team Rater Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Community Contributor Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Messages:
    8,564
    To whom could we report this bug? It would be nice to adhere loyally to the actual mechanics. It can make quite a difference.

    If not NBS, we should notify PO about this, so that Wrap would be implemented correctly.

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 0)