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Persian (QC 2/2) (GP 1/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by lucariojr, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. lucariojr

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    prince of persian
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    [Overview]

    <p>Unnerving as it may be, Persian doesn't receive much movepool-wise, but it still gets everything it needs to have to become a potent team player in VGC 2012. Such gifts are Fake Out and Unnerve, which is a combination unique to the Classy Cat, striking fear into the hearts of Pokemon like Yache Garchomp and Chople Tyranitar. Beyond this however, Persian fails to meet even the lowest of expectations with a base 70 Attack and 65 / 60 / 65 defenses that makes Pokemon like Whimsicott look like a brick wall in comparison. Keep this in the back of your mind, though, and play Persian to its strengths; it will surely dominate Berry-reliant Pokemon, making it a great addition to teams bothered by these threats.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Unnerve Lead
    move 1: Fake Out
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Night Slash / Feint / Charm
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly
    ability: Unnerve
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Persian sits at a great base 115 Speed stat, which outpaces many of the common Fake Outers, losing only to Weavile and the weather Fake Out users, namely Ludicolo and Shiftry. Protect keeps Persian alive for one turn (and more importantly, it keeps Unnerve active). The other two moves are mostly filler, and there is a lot Persian can do with the extra slots. Charm annoys physical Fighting-types in particular, and Feint removes enemy Protects, allowing you to gang up on whatever threatens you the most without worry. When running something over Night Slash, you must be careful not to let yourself get walled by Ghost-, Rock- or Steel-types, however.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>As Persian isn't the Pokemon that's going to sweep teams, pairing it up with Pokemon that can take advantage of Unnerve and Fake Out make great teammates. Mamoswine loves to KO Garchomp right through Yache Berry with an Ice Gem-boosted Ice Shard, and most teams appreciate the absence of Chople Tyranitar. Persian has a hard time dealing with Ghost-types, so Pokemon that can take care of them, such as Chandelure, Hydreigon, and Krookodile are good teammates too. Pokemon with Spore such as Amoonguss can help patch up Persian's Trick Room weakness, as Trick Room users usually depend on their Lum or Chesto Berries to stay awake, and Persian can Fake Out or Feint their supporters.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Persian unfortunately does not receive Icy Wind, Seed Bomb, Headbutt, or even Knock Off in conjunction with Unnerve. If you are in need of a Persian with any of those moves, you will have to stick with Technician or Limber, but keep in mind that Unnerve is the main reason to use Persian. Hypnosis goes well with Unnerve, bypassing status-removing Berries, but its accuracy is shaky to say the least. It is important to note that a Swagger-Persim Berry combination can be used with your teammate, as Unnerve does not affect your own roster. More Unnerve-compatible offensive options include U-turn, Aerial Ace, and Flail. Flail works well with Focus Sash, but hail and sandstorm, as well as priority moves make this an unreliable choice. U-turn can potentially get a teammate in safely, but Persian is better off staying where it is to Unnerve the opponent. Aerial Ace hits Fighting- and Grass-types super effectively, but it doesn't hit them hard enough to use it over Night Slash. Snatch can steal enemy Tailwinds and Substitutes, but it takes quite a bit of prediction to pull off.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Teams that don't rely on Berries don't have a problem facing Persian, but they will be annoyed by Fake Out and a potential Charm. Hitmontop and other Pokemon that pack Mach Punch make great counters to Persian given its mediocre defenses. As mentioned before, sets lacking Night Slash don't like Ghost-types, and leading with one can make Persian slightly more predictable. Trick Room can spell death for Persian because of its lack of powerful priority or good defenses. Metagross without an Occa or Shuca Berry can completely ignore Persian as even Charm gets blocked by Clear Body, but it must be wary of Hypnosis.</p>
  2. iss

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    great placeholder

    for the sake of preserving this excellent thread:

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    prince of persian
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    [Overview]

    <p>its a kitty</p>

    [SET]
    name: cat
    move 1: paw at stuff
    move 2: poop
    move 3: eat
    move 4: nap
    item: catnip
    nature: moody
    ability: cute charm
    evs: none because cats dont do anything besides the above

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>its a cat</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>its a cool cat</p>

    team options / specific counters
    <p>no dogs</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>live mice to play with</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>dogs and water</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>LIVE SALMON OMG</p>
  3. lucariojr

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    alright, i think i'm ready for QC
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    Snatch can work for foe's Tailwind, it works well in Triples and I think it can also work in Doubles.
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    yeah mention snatch in oo

    ill read over it again once I get home to see if it's ready for stamping
  6. Solace

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    I think this is about all it gets, at least in my experience.

    QC 1/2
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    Persian is very low on Deagle Tiers.

    QC 2/2
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    [Overview]

    <p>Unnerving as it may be, Persian doesn't receive much movepool-wise, but it receives still gets everything it needs to have to become a potent team player in VGC 2012. Such gifts are Fake Out and Unnerve, which is an exclusive a combination unique to the Classy Cat, striking fear into the hearts of Pokemon like Yache Garchomp and Chople Tyranitar. Beyond this however, Persian fails to meet even the lowest of expectations with a 70 base 70 Attack and 65 / 60 / 65 defenses that makes Pokemon like Whimsicott look like a brick wall in comparison. Keep this in the back of your mind, though, and play Persian to its strengths; it will surely dominate Berry-reliant Pokemon, making it a great addition to teams bothered by these threats.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Unnerve Lead
    move 1: Fake Out
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Night Slash / Feint / Charm
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly
    ability: Unnerve
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Persian sits at a great 115 base 115 Speed stat, which outpaces many of the common Fake Outers, losing only to Weavile and the weather Fake Out users, namely Ludicolo and Shiftry. Protect keeps Persian from going anywhere alive for one turn (and more importantly, it keeps Unnerve active). The other two moves are mostly filler, and there is a lot Persian can do with the extra slots. Charm annoys physical Fighting-types in particular, and Feint removes enemy Protects, allowing you to gang up on whatever threatens you the most without worry. When running something over Night Slash, you must be careful not to let yourself get walled by Ghost-, Rock- or Steel-types, however.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>As Persian isn't the Pokemon that's going to sweep teams, pairing it up with Pokemon that can take advantage of Unnerve and Fake Out make great teammates. Mamoswine loves to KO Garchomp right through Yache Berry with an Ice Gem-boosted Ice Shard, and most teams appreciate the absence of Chople Tyranitar. Persian has a hard time dealing with Ghost-types, so Pokemon that can take care of them, like such as Chandelure, Hydreigon, and Krookodile, are good teammates too. Amoonguss, and other Pokemon with Spore users such as Amoonguss can help patch up Persian's Trick Room weakness, as Trick Room users usually depend on their Lum or Chesto Berries to stay awake, and Persian can Fake Out or Feint their supporters.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Persian unfortunately does not receive Icy Wind, Seed Bomb, Headbutt, or even Knock Off in conjunction with Unnerve. If you are in need of a Persian with any of those moves, you will have to stick with Technician or Limber, but keep in mind that Unnerve is the main reason to use Persian. Hypnosis goes well with Unnerve, bypassing status-removing Berries, but its accuracy is shaky to say the least. It is important to note that a Swagger-Persim Berry combination can be used with your teammate, as Unnerve does not affect your own roster. More Unnerve-compatible offensive options include U-turn, Aerial Ace, and Flail. Flail works well with Focus Sash, but hail and sandstorm, as well as priority moves, make this an unreliable choice. U-turn can potentially get a teammate in safely, but Persian is better off staying where it is to Unnerve the opponent. Aerial Ace hits Fighting- and Grass-types super effectively, but it doesn't hit them hard enough to use it over Night Slash. Snatch can steal enemy Tailwinds and Substitutes, but it takes quite a bit of prediction to pull off.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Teams that don't rely on Berries don't have a problem facing Persian, but they will be annoyed by Fake Out and a potential Charm. Hitmontop and other Pokemon that pack Mach Punch make great counters to Persian given its mediocre defenses. As mentioned before, Persian without sets lacking Night Slash don't like Ghost-types, and leading with one can make Persian slightly more predictable. Trick Room can spell death for Persian because of its lack of powerful priority and or good defenses. Metagross without an Occa or Shuca Berry can completely ignore Persian as even Charm gets blocked by Clear Body, but it must be careful not to be put to sleep by Hypnosis.</p>


    Excellent job - I absolutely loved that placeholder too!

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    GP 1 / 2
  9. lucariojr

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    changes made, thanks Pokemaster!
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    <p>Unnerving as it may be, Persian doesn't receive much movepool-wise, but it still gets everything it needs to have to become a potent team player in VGC 2012. Examples of Ssuch gifts are Fake Out and Unnerve, which is a combination unique to the Classy Cat, striking fear into the hearts of Pokemon like Yache Garchomp and Chople Tyranitar. Beyond this however, Persian fails to meet even the lowest of expectations with a base 70 Attack and 65 / 60 / 65 defenses that makes Pokemon like Whimsicott look like a brick wall in comparison. Keep this in the back of your mind, though, and play Persian to its strengths; it will surely dominate Berry-reliant Pokemon, making it a great addition to teams bothered by these threats.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Unnerve Lead
    move 1: Fake Out
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Night Slash / Feint / Charm
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly
    ability: Unnerve
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Persian sits at a great base 115 Speed stat, which outpaces many of the common Fake Outers, losing only to Weavile and the weather Fake Out users, namely Ludicolo and Shiftry. Protect keeps Persian alive for one another turn (and more importantly, it keeps Unnerve active). The other two moves are mostly fillers, and there is a lot Persian can do with the extra slots. Charm annoys physical Fighting-types in particular, and whereas Feint removes enemy Protects, allowing you to gang up on whatever threatens you the most without worry. When running something over Night Slash, you must be careful not to let yourself get walled by Ghost-, Rock- or Steel-types, however.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>As Persian isn't the Pokemon that's going to sweep teams, pairing it up with Pokemon that can take advantage of Unnerve and Fake Out make great teammates. Mamoswine loves to KO Garchomp right through Yache Berry with an Ice Gem-boosted Ice Shard, and most teams appreciate the absence of Chople Tyranitar. Persian has a hard time dealing with Ghost-types, so Pokemon that can take care of them, such as Chandelure, Hydreigon, and Krookodile are good teammates too. Pokemon with Spore such as Amoonguss can help patch up Persian's Trick Room weakness, as Trick Room users usually depend on their Lum or Chesto Berries to stay awake, and Persian can Fake Out or Feint their supporters.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Persian unfortunately does not receive Icy Wind, Seed Bomb, Headbutt, or even Knock Off in conjunction with Unnerve. If you are in need of a Persian with any of those moves, you will have to stick with Technician or Limber, but keep in mind that Unnerve is the main reason to use Persian. Hypnosis goes well with Unnerve, bypassing status-removing Berries, but its accuracy is shaky to say the least. It is important to note that a Swagger- + Persim Berry combination can be used with your teammate, as Unnerve does not affect your own roster. More Unnerve-compatible offensive options include U-turn, Aerial Ace, and Flail. Flail works well with Focus Sash, but hail, sandstorm and and sandstorm, as well as priority moves make this an unreliable choice. U-turn can potentially get a teammate in safely, but Persian is better off staying where it is to Unnerve the opponent. Aerial Ace hits Fighting- and Grass-types super effectively, but it doesn't hit them hard enough to use it warrant its use over Night Slash. Snatch can steal enemy Tailwinds and Substitutes, but it takes quite a bit of prediction to pull off.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Teams that don't rely on Berries don't have a problem facing Persian, but they will be annoyed by Fake Out and a potential Charm. Hitmontop and other Pokemon that pack Mach Punch make great counters to Persian given its mediocre defenses. As mentioned before, sets lacking Night Slash don't like Ghost-types, and leading with one can make Persian slightly more predictable. Trick Room can spell death for Persian because of its lack of powerful priority or and good defenses. Metagross without an Occa or Shuca Berry can completely ignore Persian as even Charm gets blocked by Clear Body, but it must be careful not to be put to sleep by Hypnosis wary of Hypnosis.</p>
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