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Persian (QC 3/3)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Molk, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. Molk

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    [Overview]

    • excellent scout with fake out + u-turn
    • base 115 speed
    • can use a nasty plot set
    • no more competition form ambipom
    • poor offenses
    • frail
    [SET]
    name: Scout
    move1: Fake Out
    move2: U-turn
    move3: Taunt / Bite
    move4: Return
    item: Life Orb / Silk Scarf
    ability: Technician
    Nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe


    [SET COMMENTS]

    • excellent scout
    • "free damage" with fake out + u-turn
    • Return for STAB and to hit as hard as possible
    • Bite has a flinch chance, and hits 90 power with technician
    • Seed bomb hits Golem and Rhydon hard
    • Life Orb gives more power, silk scarf takes away recoil
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    • Hypnosis can be used over a coverage move, but it is unreliable
    • foul play can be used, but bite is nearly as strong
    • Faint attack can be used, but bite's flinch chance is sorely missed
    • taunt can be used to stop status and stealth rock


    [SET]
    name: Evil Kitten
    move1: Nasty Plot
    move2: Swift
    move3: Water Pulse
    move4: Thunderbolt
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Technician
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 Def / 252 Spa / 252 Spe


    [SET COMMENTS]

    • Persian's Spa is only slightly lower than attack
    • swift gets a technician boost and hits hard after a NP
    • water pulse hits Rock-Types such as golem and rhydon
    • Thunderbolt hits the only thing that resists both attacks, frillish
    • reaches 458 special attack after a nasty plot
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    • cool lure, can take down rhydon easily
    • hazards are important to this set to get certain Koes, as persians Spa is still kinda low after a NP
    • frail, needs support to set up
    • Dual screens really help persian by boosting its defense
    [Other Options]

    • choice band
    • night slash
    • foul play
    • power gem on NP set
    • aerial ace
    • weather starter
    • torment
      Knock Off
    [Checks and Counters]

    • pursuit users
    • priority
    • Throh
    • Sawk
    • scarfed pogeymons
    • anything with defense
      Weezing
    will be adding more soon
  2. tennisace

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    not entirely sold on the NP set, can you post some calcs on what it does to its usual counters/checks?
  3. Molk

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    the nasty plot was the main set last gen, ill post calcs anyway tho
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    Mebbe Knock Off in OO, due to the prevalence of Eviolite reliant pokes?
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    done and done
  6. Zebraiken

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    I'd definitely much rather have Taunt/Hypnosis on the scout set rather than coverage moves and stuff. Persian has a cool niche in being the fastest sleep inducer in NU and even though its accuracy sucks it's still more valuable than Seed Bomb (which only has a small chance of 2HKOing 252 HP / 252 Atk Adamant Rhydon). Fast Taunts are pretty neat too. I'd rather have one of those than a coverage move off of base 70 Attack that doesn't even always 2HKO the one prominent mon that it's supposed to hit. Seed Bomb is worth a mention, sure, just not really the first slash.
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    What about Switcheroo with Choice Scarf / Band?
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    already in OO, doesnt do much except switcheroo and die IMO
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    damage calcs

    +2 Persian swift vs standard weezing 97.9-115.7%
    +2 Persian water pulse vs specially defensive rhydon 179.71-211.59
    +2 persian thunderbolt vs Specially defensive frillish 58.6-69.3
    +2 Persian thunderbolt vs specially defensive slowking 59.4-69.54

    not bad, dont know what you think of it
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    Might want to edit this
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    I wouldn't personally use NP on a team but I can see the merit.
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    used NP last gen it was decent, and I can definitely see it working this gen. maybe put those calcs in the analysis? idk if you need to but still

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    I don't think I'd be using NP much either but it's cute and clears out Rhydon for other mons.

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    will get this done in when we are allowed

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