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Petilil (QC 2/2)(GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by dragonboy52, Dec 25, 2011.

  1. dragonboy52

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    <p>One of the newly introduced Pokemon this generation, Petilil. It posses a great Special Attack stat, a good movepool, and when used in the sun, Chlorophyll grants it an amazing Speed stat. Petilil's typing also gives it a useful resistance to common Water- and Ground-type moves. Furthermore, it is also one of the very few Pokemon in the LC metagame that has access to a sleep inducing move. Alas, Petilil's only downfall is its bad defenses. Overall, Petilil is a lethal sweeper, and it certainly deserves a slot on any Sunny Day team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Sunny Day Sweeper
    move 1: Sunny Day
    move 2: SolarBeam / Giga Drain
    move 3: Hidden Power Fire
    move 4: Sleep Powder / Growth
    item: Eviolite / Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    ability: Chlorophyll
    evs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 200 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>The goal of this set is to set up Sunny Day and proceed to sweep with Petilil's high Special Attack. Petilil hits 26 Speed with Chlorophyll, which allows it to beat every unboosted Pokemon in the metagame and a handful of Choice Scarf users, such as Cranidos and Growlithe. SolarBeam and Giga Drain are powerful STAB options: SolarBeam is a very powerful STAB move that should only be used in the sun, while Giga Drain is a weaker move that can be used in any weather condition to recover some HP. Hidden Power Fire benefits from Sunny Day, and provides great coverage along with Petilil's Grass-type STAB. The fourth slot is a choice between utility and power. Sleep Powder puts the opponent to sleep, whereas Growth boosts Petilil's Special Attack stat by two stages in sunlight.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Eviolite improves Petilil's bulk, and even though Petilil has bad defenses, its Grass typing makes up for it. Life Orb can be used to grant Petilil more power, but it loses out on a significant amount of bulk. Chlorophyll should always be used over any of Petilil's other abilities, since Chlorophyll is the only niche Petilil has over other Grass-types. A Modest nature can be used over Timid for more power, but this makes Petilil slower than 65 base Speed Choice Scarf users, such as Houndour. Hidden Power Rock can be used over Hidden Power Fire to hit Flying-types, such as Taillow. If you opt to use Hidden Power Rock, Petilil cannot do anything to Steel-types, such as Ferroseed, making Fire-types, such as Houndour, good teammates. In addition, they can switch into Ice- and Fire-type attacks aimed at Petilil, while Petilil can take Water- and Ground-type attacks aimed at Houndour. If you're using teammates that set up Sunny Day, you can replace Sunny Day for Growth or Sleep Powder on Petilil's moveslot.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Although it's a little gimmicky, Petilil can run Synthesis to heal 2/3 of its health in the sun. Stun Spore provides additional team support by paralyzing an opponent, but Sleep Powder is generally better. Leaf Storm is Petilil's most powerful STAB move, and it hits Hippopotas that switch into a predicted SolarBeam. Petilil can also run Healing Wish to heal a teammate at the cost of its life. Energy Ball is a stronger STAB alternative to Giga Drain. Hidden Power Ice can be used to hit troublesome Dragon-types such as Dratini. Lastly, Petilil can run a SubSeed set, but other Grass-types, such as Oddish, generally outclass it.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Choice Scarf Snover is the best counter to Petilil. It can come in, change the weather to hail, outpace Petilil, and OHKO it with Blizzard. Although they have to be wary of Sleep Powder, Fire-types, such as Houndour, are good counters as they resist both of Petilil's common attacking moves and can hit back with a super effective STAB move. Dratini is another check to Petilil as it resists both of Petilil's offensive moves, and doesn't care about Sleep Powder, thanks Shed Skin. If Petilil isn't carrying Hidden Power Fire, Ferroseed becomes a solid counter. Ferroseed takes very little damage from any of Petilil's moves, and use Petilil as set-up fodder. Lastly, Hippopotas can be a problem if you decide to use SolarBeam over Giga Drain on Petilil.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Petilil received Leaf Guard through the Dream World. While it saves Petilil from harmful status effects, Chlorophyll should always be used because it supports Petilil's niche as a lethal Sunny Day sweeper.</p>
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    i would say eviolite as the only item. heat rock is not needed when 4 turns are generally all thats needed in a sweep and the abundance of auto weather normally ruins the use of sunnyday. eviolite will give it the bulk to easily set up 2 or 3 sunny days and sweep. life orb can get a mention but generally i find life orb pokemon to die too quickly in lc.

    also maybe slash hp rock with hp fire, hitting fire types and flying types super effectivly, while giving up the ability to hit steel types (which include bronzong.)
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    I agree, I made Eviolite the only item. But, I put Hidden Power Rock in AC.
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    The set is a little off it should be SolarBeam OR Giga Drain / Hidden Power Fire / Sleep Powder OR Synthesis / Growth for maximum effectiveness. Otherwise it looks fine to me; implement those changes and I'll stamp
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    Wait, if I understood correctly, it should be:
    SolarBeam / Giga Drain
    Hidden Powwer Fire
    Sleep Powder / Synthesis
    Growth
    right?
    If so, I shouldn't put Sunny Day?
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    sorry! I didn't know that this was meant to be used on its own to sweep. In that case, use

    Sunny Day
    SolarBeam / Giga Drain
    Growth / Hidden Power Fire
    Sleep Powder / Hidden Power Fire

    The beauty of having something else set up Sunny Day means that Petilil gets to use 2 attacks but since I clearly misread the purpose of this set use what i wrote. SOrry!
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    Changes made. And no problem lol.

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    [SET]
    name: Sunny Day Sweeper
    move 1: Sunny Day
    move 2: SolarBeam / Giga Drain
    move 3: Hidden Power Fire
    move 4: Sleep Powder / Growth
    item: Eviolite / Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    ability: Chlorophyll
    evs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 200 Spe

    Should look like this imo. Also wtf no mention of Leaf Storm in other options? It's Petlil's most powerful move, and it'll really screw over Hippopotas trying to switch into a SolarBeam. You didn't mention any partners that can set up sunny day, so some of those should go in additional comments.
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    Thanks iss and Aerrow. This is now ready for GP checks.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Petilil is one of the newly introduced Pokemon in BW. One of the newly introduced pokemon this generation,Petilil posses a great Special Attack stat, a good movepool, and amazing Speed when used under Sunny Day, thanks to Chlorophyl.l, and a good movepool. Petilil's typing also gives it a useful resistance to common Water- and Ground-type moves. It is also one of the very few Pokemon in the LC metagame that has access to a sleep inducing move. Alas, Petilil's only downfall is its bad defenses. Petilil does indeed have its ups and downs, but it Overall, Petilil is certainly a Pokemon to consider on any Sunny Day team as a lethal sweeper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Sunny Day Sweeper
    move 1: Sunny Day
    move 2: SolarBeam / Giga Drain
    move 3: Hidden Power Fire
    move 4: Sleep Powder / Growth
    item: Eviolite / Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    ability: Chlorophyll
    evs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 200 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>The main goal of this set is to set up Sunny Day and then proceed to sweep with Petilil's high Special Attack. With the Speed boost from Sunny Day, thanks to Chlorophyll, Petilil hits a Speed stat of 26 with Chlorophyll,outspeeding every unboosted Pokemon in the metagame that do not carry a Choice Scarf. It should be noted that Petilil can outpace and a handful of Choice Scarf users, such as Cranidos and Growlithe. SolarBeam and Giga Drain are powerful STAB options. SolarBeam is a very powerful STAB move that should only be used in the sun. Giga Drain is a weaker move that can be used in any weather condition to do damage to opponents, as well as to recover some HP. Hidden Power Fire is a move that benefits from Sunny Day, and provides great coverage along with Petilil's Grass-type STAB. The fourth slot is a choice between utility and power. Sleep Powder puts the opponent to sleep, whereas Growth boosts Petilil's Special Attack stat by two stages in sunlight. The choice between Growth and Sleep Powder depends on whether or not Petilil wants more power or more utility.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Eviolite improves Petilil's bulk. Even though Petilil has bad defenses, its Grass typing makes up for it. Life Orb can be used to grant Petilil with more power. The choice between Life Orb or Eviolite depends on power vs bulk. Chlorophyll should always be used over any of Petilil's other abilities, since Chlorophyll is the only niche Petilil has over other Grass-types. Modest can be used over Timid for more power, but this makes Petilil slower than 65 base Speed Choice Scarf users, such as Houndour. Hidden Power Rock can be used over Hidden Power Fire to hit Flying-types, such as Taillow. If you opt to use Hidden Power Rock, Petilil cannot do anything to Steel-types, such as Ferroseed. As for teammates, Fire-types, such as Houndour, are good teammates as they can take Ice- and Fire type attacks aimed at Petilil, while Petilil can take Water- and Ground-type attacks aimed at Houndour. Also, if you're using teammates that can set up Sunny Day, you can replace Sunny Day for Growth or Sleep Powder on Petilil's moveslot.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p> Though, a little gimmicky, Petilil can run Synthesis, though a little gimmicky, it works well under the sun as it can healing Petilil for 2/3 of its health. Stun Spore provides additional team support, but Sleep Powder is generally better. Leaf Storm is Petilil's most powerful STAB that can hit Hippopotas's that switch into a predicted SolarBeam. Petilil can also run Healing Wish to heal a teammate at the cost of its life. Since Energy Ball is a stronger STAB alternative to Giga Drain. it can be used over it. Lastly, Petilil can run a SubSeed set, but it is generally outclassed by other Grass-types , such as Oddish, generally outclass it.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Choice Scarf Snover is the best counter to Petilil. It can come in, change the weather to Hail, outpace Petilil, and then OHKO it with Blizzard. Although they have to be wary of Sleep Powder, Fire-types, such as Houndour, are good counters as they resist both of Petilil's common attacking moves, and can then hit back with a super effective STAB move. Dratini is another check to Petilil as it resists both of Petilil's offensive moves, and doesn't care much about Sleep Powder thanks to its ability, Shed Skin. If Petilil isn't carrying Hidden Power Fire, Ferroseed becomes a solid counter. Ferroseed will take very little damage from any of Petilil's other moves, and use Petilil as set-up fodder. Lastly, Hippopotas can be a problem if you decide to use SolarBeam over Giga Drain on Petilil.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Petilil received Leaf Guard through the Dream World. While it saves Petilil from harmful status effects, Chlorophyll should always be used because it supports Petilil's niche as a lethal Sunny Day sweeper.</p>
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    Implemented.
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    stamping snype's check for GP 1/2
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    Thanks a lot Komodo, NatGeo, and Steven Snype! This is now done.
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