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Phione (BW2 Update)

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  1. Governess

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    Phione
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    [Overview]
    • Viable base 80 stats to work with.
    • Works best as a Rain Dance inducter for rain sweepers, such as Ludicolo and Gorebyss.
    • Hydration + Rest gives it a form of recovery to keep setting rain up for its team.
    • Little offensive presence.
    • Very scarce movepool to choose from, only one viable set.
    • No useful resistances that can aid rain sweepers.
    • Taunt bait - once it is hit with Taunt, it must rely on its Special Attack, which isn't impressive.
    • Not that good in the NU tier.
    • Does its job best using Rain Dance for rain teams; shouldn't be used for anything else.

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: U-turn
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Scald / Toxic
    item: Damp Rock
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Combines all of Phione's strong points to a single set; only one that Phione can effectively pull off
    • Thanks to Hydration, Phione has reliable healing in rain with Rest, allowing it to stay in the match long enough to help its teammates
    • Main objective - get Rain Dance up, and if it can't stay in, use U-turn to a rain sweeper to sweep. Shouldn't be on anything else but a rain team.
    • Rain Dance is one of the only reasons Phione is used; makes use of its ability, Hydration, and allows its teammates to sweep.
    • Damp Rock is the staple to this set's success, increasing Rain Dance's longevity, which gives rain sweepers more time to sweep.
    • U-turn - when Phione has Rain Dance up, it usually switches into a sweeper who will take full advantage of the rain Phione provided.
    • Rest is a great healing move when Rain Dance is up, as it heals Phione to full HP, allowing it to help its team further and maintain its longevity.
    • Scald is used when Phione can't switch out; great STAB move that has a 30% burn chance, which does well against physical attackers, such as Sawk. However, Toxic can be used against bulky Water-types, such as Alomomola and Lickilicky. Good for crippling the opponent. Both are good options, and the choice depends on whether you want Phione to not be complete Taunt bait with a STAB move, or weaken bulky Pokemon.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • EV spread focuses on Phione's bulk and Defense; Bold nature maximizes its Defense, and in conjunction with Rest, it keeps Phione alive as long as possible. No Speed EVs gives Phione the chance to U-turn last, giving a sweeper a free switch in.
    • You can lower Phione's Speed IV's to allow it to underspeed as much as possible, which grants a slow U-turn to rain sweepers.
    • If Toxic is being used, change Bold to Impish nature to slightly strengthen U-turn.
    • Not many move options for this set, as Phione's moveset is very limited.
    • Surf can be used over Scald for more power, but since Phione has a pretty pitiful SpA anyways, it is better off hoping for the burn chance with Scald.
    • Since this set is specifically made to set up Rain Dance for rain sweepers, having them as partners are mandatory. (Ludicolo, Gorebyss, Swanna, Seismitoad)
    • Other rain inducters can be used alongside Phione as backup; Electrode, Rain Dance + Rest Swanna, Volbeat, and Liepard.
    • This set is Taunt bait and forces Phione to switch out, especially against Pokemon Phione can't really harm, such as Misdreavus. Regice and Samurott can get rid of Misdreavus with their powerful special attacks; Samurott also gets a Water-type move boost from Rain Dance.

    [Other Options]
    • Very few options.
    • Life Orb specially offensive set; doesn't have the strength or the speed to be truly effective.
    • Acid Armor for a more defensive route; Substitute can be used with it with Rest, but its defenses and offensives are too average to make use of.
    • Safeguard and Charm are plausible, but that is really pushing it, which shows how bad a movepool Phione has.
    • Choice items to raise Speed or power; loses too much momentum and isn't strong / fast enough from the beginning.

    [Checks and Counters]
    • Very easy to counter due to its average bulk and weak offenses.
    • Pretty much any strong Grass- and Electric-type, (Ludicolo, Roselia, Eelektross, Rotom-S) can deal with Phione, but physical attackers must watch out for Scald's burn.
    • Offensive Gardevoir, Regice, and Musharna can take Phione's attacks (U-turn won't hurt Gardevoir, fail an only 3HKO), and can all 2HKO Phione in return.
    • Pokemon that doesn't mind being inflicted with status (Gurdurr, Dragonair, Swellow, Ursaring) can deal with Phione quite easily, not fearing Scald or Toxic.
    • Taunt users shut down Phione and force it to switch out (Misdreavus, Liepard).
    • Any decent wall that isn't weak to Phione's STAB move can take Phione's attacks (Roselia, Tangela, Lickilicky).
    • Most users see Phione as set up bait; Substitute users (Braviary), and other set up Pokemon, even Butterfree can set up on Phione (Scald only 3HKOes).
    • Countering Phione isn't usually as important as countering the rain sweepers that follow it, as they are more threatening than Phione itself, who just provides rain.
    • Sum it up, many Pokemon in the NU tier can handle Phione easily since it can't fight back, but its main goal is to set up Rain Dance, and it usually fulfills that role well.


    [Overview]

    <p>While Phione was a threatening Rain Dance sweeper in DPP, it is almost never used in the tier. The only reason Phione is worth using is its adored Hydration ability, and with Rest and U-turn in its arsenal, Phione makes for a decent Rain Dance. The only strategy Phione should attempt is to set up Rain Dance, heal excess damage with Rest, and U-turn to a rain sweeper; it doesn't have any other notable traits to take advantage of and remain successful.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: U-turn
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Scald / Toxic
    item: Damp Rock
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Phione can effectively pull off; it combines all of Phione's strong points into a simple strategy: providing Rain Dance for a rain sweeper. Thanks to Hydration, Phione has reliable healing in rain with Rest, allowing it to maintain longevity during the match. U-turn is very useful when switching into a rain sweeper, as it provides a safe switch. Rest is a great healing move when Rain Dance is active, as it heals Phione to full HP. While Phione has very little offensive presence, Scald should be used when Phione cannot switch out or when you're positive it can score a KO. Not only does it prevent Phione from being complete Taunt bait, but it's a great STAB move that has a 30% burn chance, which fares well against physical attackers such as Sawk. However, Toxic can be used to cripple bulky Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Lickilicky.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Damp Rock is the key to this set's success, increasing Rain Dance's longevity, giving rain sweepers more time to sweep. Phione's EV spread focuses on its physical bulk; a Bold nature maximizes its Defense, and in conjunction with Rest, this keeps Phione alive as long as possible. Phione invests no Speed EVs to make U-turn as slow as possible, switching after most opponents and getting a sweeper in for free. To this end, a Relaxed nature can be used, as it gives Phione an even slower U-turn while giving it a chance to OHKO Jynx on the switch after Stealth Rock damage. You can even lower Phione's Speed IVs to allow an even slower U-turn to rain sweepers. If Toxic is being used, it's advised to use an Impish nature to slightly strengthen U-turn. Surf can be used over Scald for more power, but it still won't do much damage off of Phione's pitiful Special Attack, while Scald's burn chance is useful.</p>

    <p>Since this set is specifically made to set up Rain Dance for rain sweepers, having them as partners is mandatory. Ludicolo, Gorebyss, Swanna, and Seismitoad are prime examples of sweepers who appreciate Rain Dance support. Backup rain inducers are always helpful; Electrode, Swanna, Volbeat, and Liepard are great partners in that regard. This set is easily forced out by Taunt users, especially those Phione can't really harm, such as Misdreavus. Regice and Samurott can get rid of Misdreavus with their powerful special attacks; Samurott's STAB moves also get a boost from Rain Dance.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Phione has a very scarce movepool, and most options it does wield aren't very successful. An offensive set with Life Orb is viable, but Phione doesn't have the strength to utilize it well. Choice items can be used to increase Phione's Attack or Speed, but it loses too much momentum and doesn't have those qualities to take advantage of. Outside of this, Acid Armor, Charm, and Safeguard are some of the best options Phione has. The fact that these aren't remotely viable really shows how bad a movepool Phione has.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Phione is very easy to counter due to its average bulk and offenses. Any strong Electric- or Grass-type, such as Ludicolo, Roselia, Eelektross, and Rotom-S, can deal with Phione, but physical attackers must be wary of Scald's burn. Gardevoir, Regice, and Musharna can take any of Phione's attacks and retaliate with powerful moves of their own. Most Pokemon see Phione as setup bait; Substitute users such as Braviary can get Substitute up on Phione with ease. Many other Pokemon&mdash;even Butterfree&mdash; can set up on Phione.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that don't mind being inflicted by status, such as Gurdurr, Shed Skin Dragonair, Swellow, and Ursaring, can handle Phione quite easily, not fearing Scald or Toxic. Taunt users such as Misdreavus and Liepard can shut Phione down and force it to switch out. Any wall that isn't weak to Phione's STAB move can sponge its attacks; Roselia, Tangela, and Regice are prime examples. In short, many Pokemon in the NU tier can handle Phione easily since it can't fight back, but its main goal is to set up Rain Dance, and it usually fulfills that role well. With that in mind, countering Phione isn't usually as important as countering the rain sweepers that follow it, as they are much more threatening than Phione itself.</p>
  2. Governess

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    Ok, this is no longer a WIP, and it's ready for advice / QC to look it over! :]
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    make sure you emphasize how terrible phione actually is
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    Thank you, tennisace. And will do xD Added in the check.
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    Not much to add content-wise, Phione doesn't have a lot going for it. I guess you can mention Safeguard and Charm in OO, but that is really stretching it. You might want to mention that you can lower Phione's Speed IVs to underspeed as much as possible. In AC, you say that Phione has no Speed, so move those 4 Speed EVs into Special Defense. In your checks and counters, change "pitiful bulk" to "average bulk" since you made a point to mention in the overview that base 80 all around is workable. I guess you should mention how countering Phione isn't usually as important as countering the Rain sweepers that follow it.
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    Thank you, WhiteDMist. I added all of the suggestions you've given. I don't think much needs to be said about Phione as a whole, so after a few more tweaks, it should be ready for another QC Check. :)
  7. Governess

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    My apologies for double posting, but bumping; not much to analysize for this analysis (or dunsparce, as they both are pretty bad) is there anything that needs to be fixed here?
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    [Overview]
    For the third point instead of talking about Hydration the way you do, just say that Hydration + Rest gives it a form of recovery to keep setting rain up for its team.

    Everything else looks good to me

    [qc]2/3[/qc]
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    Thank you, EBeast. :) I'll have this written out soon.
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    eee I knew I forgot something. In Additional Comments remove the first point as this belongs in Set Comments and you already mentioned it there. Move the second point about Damp Rock to Set Comments as talk about items belongs there.
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    Mmk, I thought items were talked about in AC, but thank you, moved it to Set Comments and removed the first bullet point.
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    Sorry for double posting, but I have written out this analysis, ready for one final look by QC! :)
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    Overview is really good. It's very concise and sums up Phione's only niche in the metagame without talking it up.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    Add a mention of Relaxed nature over Bold. This gives Phione an even slower U-turn, and it gives it a chance to OHKO Jynx on the switch after Stealth Rock.

    Otherwise, this looks fine. Send it to GP~

    [qc]3/3[/qc]
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    Thank you, Treecko. This is now ready for GP checks! :)
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    [Overview]

    <p>While Phione was once a threatening sweeper with Rain Dance in DPP, it now has rarely any use in the NU tier. The only reason Phione is worth using is its adored Hydration ability, and with Rest and U-turn at its arsenal, Phione makes for a decent Rain Dance supporter. The only strategy Phione should attempt is to set up Rain Dance, heal excess damage with Rest, and U-turn to a rain sweeper; as it doesn't have any other notable traits to take advantage of and reign successful.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: U-turn
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Scald / Toxic
    item: Damp Rock
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Phione can effectively pull off; it combines all of Phione's strong points into a simple strategy: providing Rain Dance for a rain sweeper. Thanks to Hydration, Phione has reliable healing in rain with Rest, allowing it to maintain longevity during the match. U-turn is very useful when switching into a rain sweeper, as it provides a safe switch in. Rest is a great healing move when Rain Dance is active, as it heals Phione to full HP. While Phione has very little offensive presence, Scald is used when Phione cannot switch out or when its positive it can score a KO. Not only does it prevent Phione from being complete Taunt bait, but it's a great STAB move that has a 30% burn chance, which fares well against physical attackers such as Sawk. However, Toxic can be used to cripple bulky Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Lickilicky.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Damp Rock is the staple to this set's success, increasing Rain Dance's longevity, which gives rain sweepers more time to sweep. Phione's EV spread focuses on its bulk and Defense; A Bold nature maximizes its Defense, and in conjunction with Rest, it keeps Phione alive as long as possible. However, a Relaxed nature could be used, as it gives Phione an even slower U-turn while giving it a chance to OHKO Jynx on the switch after Stealth Rock damage. No Speed EVs grants Phione the opportunity to use U-turn after the opponent moves, giving a sweeper a free switch in. You can lower Phione's Speed IV's to allow it to underspeed as much as possible, which grants an even slower U-turn to rain sweepers. If Toxic is being used, it's advised to use an Impish nature to slightly strengthen U-turn. Surf can be used over Scald for more power, but since Phione has a pitiful Special Attack, it is better off hoping for a burn chance with Scald.</p>

    <p>Since this set is specifically made to set up Rain Dance for rain sweepers, having them as partners are mandatory. Ludicolo, Gorebyss, Swanna, and Seismitoad are prime examples of rain sweepers who'd appreciate Rain Dance support. Backup rain inducters are always helpful; Electrode, Swanna, Volbeat, and Liepard are great partners in that aspect. This set is Taunt bait and forces Phione to switch out, especially against Pokemon Phione can't really harm, such as Misdreavus. Regice and Samurott can get rid of Misdreavus with their powerful special attacks; Samurott also gets a Water-type move boost from Rain Dance.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Phione has a very scarce movepool, and the options it does wield aren't very successful. An offensive set with Life Orb is viable, but Phione doesn't have the strength to utilize it well. Choice items can be used to increase Phione's Attack or Speed, but it loses too much momentum, and it doesnt have those qualities to take advantage of. Acid Armor and Substitute can be used for a more defensive route, but Phione doesn't have the resistances or bulk for it to work. If you are desperate for another set, Safeguard and Charm are plausible, but that's pushing it, which really shows how bad a movepool Phione has.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Phione is very easy to counter due to its average bulk and offenses. Any strong Electric- or Grass-type, such as Ludicolo, Roselia, Eelektross, and Rotom-S, can deal with Phione, but physical attackers much be wary of a Scald's burn. Gardevoir, Regice, and Musharna can take any of Phione's attacks and retaliate with powerful attacks. Most users see Phione as setup bait; Substitute users such as Braviary can get Substitute up on Phione with ease. Many other setup Pokemon&mdash;even Butterfree&mdash; can set up on Phione.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that doesn't mind being inflicted by status, such as Gurdurr, Shed Skin Dragonair, Swellow, and Ursaring, can handle Phione quite easily, not fearing Scald or Toxic. Taunt users such as Misdreavus and Liepard can shut Phione down and force it to switch out. Many walls that aren't weak to Phione's STAB move as well as dedicated special walls can sponge its attacks; Roselia, Tangela, Regice, and Lickilicky are prime examples of such. In short, many Pokemon in the NU tier can handle Phione easily since it can't fight back, but its main goal is to set up Rain Dance, and it usually fulfills that role well. With that in mind, countering Phione isn't usually as important as countering the rain sweepers that follow it, as they are more threatening than Phione itself.</p>



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    [Overview]

    <p>While Phione was once a threatening sweeper with Rain Dance in DPP, it now has rarely any use in the NU tier. The only reason Phione is worth using is its adored Hydration ability, and with Rest and U-turn at its arsenal, Phione makes for a decent Rain Dance supporter. The only strategy Phione should attempt is to set up Rain Dance, heal excess damage with Rest, and U-turn to a rain sweeper; as it doesn't have any other notable traits to take advantage of and reign successful.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: U-turn
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Scald / Toxic
    item: Damp Rock
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Phione can effectively pull off; it combines all of Phione's strong points into a simple strategy: providing Rain Dance for a rain sweeper. Thanks to Hydration, Phione has reliable healing in rain with Rest, allowing it to maintain longevity during the match. U-turn is very useful when switching into a rain sweeper, as it provides a safe switch in. Rest is a great healing move when Rain Dance is active, as it heals Phione to full HP. While Phione has very little offensive presence, Scald is used when Phione cannot switch out or when it can score a KO. Not only does it prevent Phione from being complete Taunt bait, but it's a great STAB move that has a 30% burn chance, which fares well against physical attackers such as Sawk. However, Toxic can be used to cripple bulky Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Lickilicky.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Damp Rock is the staple to this set's success, increasing Rain Dance's longevity, which gives rain sweepers more time to sweep. Phione's EV spread focuses on its bulk and Defense; A Bold nature maximizes its Defense, and in conjunction with Rest, it keeps Phione alive as long as possible. However, a Relaxed nature could be used, as it gives Phione an even slower U-turn while giving it a chance to OHKO Jynx on the switch after Stealth Rock damage. No Speed EVs grants Phione the opportunity to use U-turn after the opponent moves, giving a sweeper a free switch in. You can lower Phione's Speed IV's to allow it to underspeed as much as possible, which grants an even slower U-turn to rain sweepers. If Toxic is being used, it's advised to use an Impish nature to slightly strengthen U-turn. Surf can be used over Scald for more power, but since Phione has a pitiful Special Attack, it is better off hoping for a burn chance with Scald.</p>

    <p>Since this set is specifically made to set up Rain Dance for rain sweepers, having them as partners are mandatory. Ludicolo, Gorebyss, Swanna, and Seismitoad are prime examples of rain sweepers who appreciate Rain Dance support. Backup rain inducters are always helpful; Electrode, Swanna, Volbeat, and Liepard are great partners in that aspect. This set is Taunt bait and forces Phione to switch out, especially against Pokemon Phione can't really harm, such as Misdreavus. Regice and Samurott can get rid of Misdreavus with their powerful special attacks; Samurott also gets a Water-type move boost from Rain Dance.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Phione has a very scarce movepool, and the options it does wield aren't very successful. An offensive set with Life Orb is viable, but Phione doesn't have the strength to utilize it well. Choice items can be used to increase Phione's Attack or Speed, but it loses too much momentum, and it doesnt have those qualities to take advantage of. Acid Armor and Substitute can be used for a more defensive route, but Phione doesn't have the resistances or bulk for it to work. If you are desperate for another set, Safeguard and Charm are plausible, but that's pushing it, which really shows how bad a movepool Phione has.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Phione is very easy to counter due to its average bulk and offenses. Any strong Electric- or Grass-type, such as Ludicolo, Roselia, Eelektross, and Rotom-S, can deal with Phione, but physical attackers much be wary of a Scald burn. Gardevoir, Regice, and Musharna can take any of Phione's attacks and retaliate with powerful attacks. Most users see Phione as setup bait; Substitute users such as Braviary can get Substitute up on Phione with ease. Many other setup Pokemon&mdash;even Butterfree&mdash; can set up on Phione.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that doesn't mind being inflicted by status, such as Gurdurr, Shed Skin Dragonair, Swellow, and Ursaring, can handle Phione quite easily, not fearing Scald or Toxic. Taunt users such as Misdreavus and Liepard can shut Phione down and force it to switch out. Many walls that aren't weak to Phione's STAB move as well as dedicated special walls can sponge its attacks; Roselia, Tangela, Regice, and Lickilicky are prime examples of such. In short, many Pokemon in the NU tier can handle Phione easily since it can't fight back, but its main goal is to set up Rain Dance, and it usually fulfills that role well. With that in mind, countering Phione isn't usually as important as countering the rain sweepers that follow it, as they are more threatening than Phione itself.</p>
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    Thank you, CBT. Implemented most of the check.
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    [Overview]

    <p>While Phione was once a threatening sweeper with Rain Dance in DPP, it now has rarely any use in the NU tier. The only reason Phione is worth using is its adored Hydration ability, and with Rest and U-turn at its arsenal, Phione makes for a decent Rain Dance supporter. The only strategy Phione should attempt is to set up Rain Dance, heal excess damage with Rest, and U-turn to a rain sweeper; it doesn't have any other notable traits to take advantage of and reign successful.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: U-turn
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Scald / Toxic
    item: Damp Rock
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Phione can effectively pull off; it combines all of Phione's strong points into a simple strategy: providing Rain Dance for a rain sweeper. Thanks to Hydration, Phione has reliable healing in rain with Rest, allowing it to maintain longevity during the match. U-turn is very useful when switching into a rain sweeper, as it provides a safe switch in. Rest is a great healing move when Rain Dance is active, as it heals Phione to full HP. While Phione has very little offensive presence, Scald is used when Phione cannot switch out or when it's positive it can score a KO. Not only does it prevent Phione from being complete Taunt bait, but it's a great STAB move that has a 30% burn chance, which fares well against physical attackers such as Sawk. However, Toxic can be used to cripple bulky Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Lickilicky.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Damp Rock is the staple to this set's success, increasing Rain Dance's longevity, which gives rain sweepers more time to sweep. Phione's EV spread focuses on its bulk and Defense; A Bold nature maximizes its Defense, and in conjunction with Rest, it keeps Phione alive as long as possible. However, a Relaxed nature could be used, as it gives Phione an even slower U-turn while giving it a chance to OHKO Jynx on the switch after Stealth Rock damage. No Speed EVs grants Phione the opportunity to use U-turn after the opponent, giving a sweeper a free switch in. You can lower Phione's Speed IVs to allow it to underspeed as much as possible, which grants an even slower U-turn to rain sweepers. If Toxic is being used, it's advised to use an Impish nature to slightly strengthen U-turn. Surf can be used over Scald for more power, but since Phione has a pitiful Special Attack, it is better off hoping for a burn chance with Scald.</p>

    <p>Since this set is specifically made to set up Rain Dance for rain sweepers, having them as partners are mandatory. Ludicolo, Gorebyss, Swanna, and Seismitoad are prime examples of rain sweepers who'd appreciate Rain Dance support. Backup rain inducters are always helpful; Electrode, Swanna, Volbeat, and Liepard are great partners in that aspect. This set is Taunt bait and forces Phione to switch out, especially against Pokemon Phione can't really harm, such as Misdreavus. Regice and Samurott can get rid of Misdreavus with their powerful special attacks; Samurott's STAB moves also gets a Water-type move boost from Rain Dance.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Phione has a very scarce movepool, and the options it does wield aren't very successful. An offensive set with Life Orb is viable, but Phione doesn't have the strength to utilize it well. Choice items can be used to increase Phione's Attack or Speed, but it loses too much momentum, (RC) and it doesnt have those qualities to take advantage of. Acid Armor and Substitute can be used for a more defensive route, but Phione doesn't have the resistances or bulk for it to work. If you are desperate for another set, Safeguard and Charm are plausible, but that's pushing it, which really shows how bad a movepool Phione has.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Phione is very easy to counter due to its average bulk and offenses. Any strong Electric- or Grass-type, such as Ludicolo, Roselia, Eelektross, and Rotom-S, can deal with Phione, but physical attackers much be wary of Scald's burn. Gardevoir, Regice, and Musharna can take any of Phione's attacks and retaliate with powerful attacks. Most users see Phione as setup bait; Substitute users such as Braviary can get Substitute up on Phione with ease. Many other setup Pokemon&mdash;even Butterfree&mdash; can set up on Phione.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that doesn't mind being inflicted by status, such as Gurdurr, Shed Skin Dragonair, Swellow, and Ursaring, can handle Phione quite easily, not fearing Scald or Toxic. Taunt users such as Misdreavus and Liepard can shut Phione down and force it to switch out. Any walls that isn't weak to Phione's STAB move can sponge its attacks; Roselia, Tangela, and Regice are prime examples of such. In short, many Pokemon in the NU tier can handle Phione easily since it can't fight back, but its main goal is to set up Rain Dance, and it usually fulfills that role well. With that in mind, countering Phione isn't usually as important as countering the rain sweepers that follow it, as they are more threatening than Phione itself.</p>


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    [Overview]

    <p>While Phione was once a threatening Rain Dance sweeper with Rain Dance in DPP, it now has rarely any use in the NU tier. (If you intend to say that it is almost completely useless, change to "has barely any use". If you intend to say that almost no one uses it, change to "is almost never used" or the like.) The only reason Phione is worth using is its adored Hydration ability, and with Rest and U-turn at in its arsenal, Phione makes for a decent Rain Dance supporter. The only strategy Phione should attempt is to set up Rain Dance, heal excess damage with Rest, and U-turn to a rain sweeper; it doesn't have any other notable traits to take advantage of and reign remain (I assume this is what you mean) successful.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: U-turn
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Scald / Toxic
    item: Damp Rock
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Phione can effectively pull off; it combines all of Phione's strong points into a simple strategy: providing Rain Dance for a rain sweeper. Thanks to Hydration, Phione has reliable healing in rain with Rest, allowing it to maintain longevity during the match. U-turn is very useful when switching into a rain sweeper, as it provides a safe switch. Rest is a great healing move when Rain Dance is active, as it heals Phione to full HP. While Phione has very little offensive presence, Scald is should be used when Phione cannot switch out or when it's you're positive it can score a KO. Not only does it prevent Phione from being complete Taunt bait, but it's a great STAB move that has a 30% burn chance, which fares well against physical attackers such as Sawk. However, Toxic can be used to cripple bulky Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Lickilicky.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Damp Rock is the staple key to this set's success, increasing Rain Dance's longevity, which gives giving rain sweepers more time to sweep. Phione's EV spread focuses on its bulk and Defense physical bulk (is it Physical bulk?); A Bold nature maximizes its Defense, and in conjunction with Rest, it this keeps Phione alive as long as possible. Phione invests no Speed EVs to make U-turn as slow as possible, switching after most opponents and getting a sweeper in for free. However To this end, a Relaxed nature could can be used, as it gives Phione an even slower U-turn while giving it a chance to OHKO Jynx on the switch after Stealth Rock damage (wow amazing. Jynx is weak). No Speed EVs grants Phione the opportunity to use U-turn after the opponent, giving a sweeper a free switch. You can even lower Phione's Speed IVs to allow it to underspeed as much as possible, which grants an even slower U-turn to rain sweepers. If Toxic is being used, it's advised to use an Impish nature to slightly strengthen U-turn. Surf can be used over Scald for more power, but since Phione has a pitiful Special Attack, it is better off hoping for a burn chance with Scald it still won't do much damage off of Phione's pitiful Special Attack, while Scald's burn chance is useful.</p>

    <p>Since this set is specifically made to set up Rain Dance for rain sweepers, having them as partners are is mandatory. Ludicolo, Gorebyss, Swanna, and Seismitoad are prime examples of rain sweepers who'd who appreciate Rain Dance support. Backup rain inducters inducers are always helpful; Electrode, Swanna, Volbeat, and Liepard are great partners in that aspect regard. This set is Taunt bait and forces Phione to switch out easily forced out by Taunt users, especially against Pokemon those Phione can't really harm, such as Misdreavus. Regice and Samurott can get rid of Misdreavus with their powerful special attacks; Samurott's STAB moves also get a boost from Rain Dance.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Phione has a very scarce movepool, and the most (After all, you wouldn't be writing this analysis if the set you analyzed was worse than mediocre.) options it does wield aren't very successful. An offensive set with Life Orb is viable, but Phione doesn't have the strength to utilize it well. Choice items can be used to increase Phione's Attack or Speed, but it loses too much momentum and doesnt doesn't have those qualities to take advantage of. Acid Armor and Substitute can be used for a more defensive route, but Phione doesn't have the resistances or bulk for it to work. If you are desperate for another set, Safeguard and Charm are plausible, but that's pushing it, which really shows how bad a movepool Phione has. Outside of this, Acid Armor, Charm, and Safeguard are some of the best options Phione has. That these aren't remotely viable really shows how bad a movepool Phione has. (Be honest, no one is actually going to use Acid Armor, Charm or Safeguard. I rephrased your sentences to make it sound that way, while keeping the excellent device you used to underscore how terrible Phione's movepool is.)</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Phione is very easy to counter due to its average bulk and offenses. Any strong Electric- or Grass-type, such as Ludicolo, Roselia, Eelektross, and Rotom-S, can deal with Phione, but physical attackers much must be wary of Scald's burn. Gardevoir, Regice, and Musharna can take any of Phione's attacks and retaliate with powerful attacks moves of their own (removes redundancy of "attacks", also "of their own" seems to make the sentence flow better). Most users Pokemon see Phione as setup bait; Substitute users such as Braviary can get Substitute up on Phione with ease. Many other Pokemon&mdash;even Butterfree&mdash; can set up on Phione.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that doesn't don't mind being inflicted by status, such as Gurdurr, Shed Skin Dragonair, Swellow, and Ursaring, can handle Phione quite easily, not fearing Scald or Toxic. Taunt users such as Misdreavus and Liepard can shut Phione down and force it to switch out. Any wall that isn't weak to Phione's STAB move can sponge its attacks; Roselia, Tangela, and Regice are prime examples. In short, many Pokemon in the NU tier can handle Phione easily since it can't fight back, but its main goal is to set up Rain Dance, and it usually fulfills that role well. With that in mind, countering Phione isn't usually as important as countering the rain sweepers that follow it, as they are much more threatening than Phione itself.</p>


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    Thank you, relaunched. If nothing else needs to be done to this analysis, then it's ready to go on-site! :]
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