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Pidgeot (BW2 Revamp)(QC 3/3)(GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by WhiteDMist, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. WhiteDMist

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    Pretty straight forward one here. Best bird y/n

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    [Overview]

    <p>As impressive as it looks, Pidgeot is terribly outclassed by most other physical Normal / Flying type Pokemon in the tier. Its mediocre bulk and offenses do little to help it differentiate itself, and while it does have a moderately good Speed stat, it misses out on important base 95 Speed tier threats such as Sawsbuck. Its combination of Brave Bird, U-turn, and Quick Attack makes it a decent enough Choice Band user, but it is nothing special.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Sadly, Pidgeot's power is so mediocre that it needs a Choice Band set to actually leave a notable mark on the opposing team. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's strongest STAB move and helps it differentiate itself from Fearow. Return provides a reliable secondary STAB move and doesn't cause Pidgeot to take recoil. U-turn allows Pidgeot to scout the opposing team, escape any incoming counters, and differentiate itself from Dodrio. Quick Attack is the final move on this set, as it is a useful priority move to pick off frail or weakened Pokemon and is a move that Braviary doesn't have.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Jolly is necessary for Pidgeot to outspeed positive-natured base 90 Speed threats such as Zangoose and Kangaskhan. Life Orb can be used with Hidden Power Grass to threaten Golem and Seismitoad, but Pidgeot would usually prefer to U-turn out instead. Pursuit can be used in the last slot to catch Gardevoir on the switch, but Kadabra and Haunter&mdash;the most notable other targets it hits&mdash;outspeed Pidgeot, are powerful enough to take it out, and likely won't switch out. Stealth Rock support from Pokemon such as Golem and Seismitoad is necessary to allow Pidgeot to have a good chance of OHKOing Choice Scarf Rotom-A and offensive Armaldo with Return and Brave Bird, respectively. As this set switches out often, Pokemon that can deter Stealth Rock from being set up, such as Choice Band Sawk and Taunt Samurott, are very useful teammates. In fact, any Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon make good teammates as they can deal with the Rock- and Steel-types that wall Pidgeot. Ground-type Pokemon, such as Golurk and Piloswine, are helpful to prevent Electric-type Pokemon from gaining momentum against Pidgeot with Volt Switch.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Choice Scarf can also be used, but most other Normal / Flying type Pokemon utilize it better with their higher power. Pidgeot has a usable special movepool, and a set with Hurricane, Heat Wave, Hidden Power Ground, and a filler move is feasible. Unfortunately, such a set isn't ideal as Pidgeot's Special Attack is mediocre at best. Tailwind is a decent support move, but Pidgeot is outclassed by Prankster Murkrow in this role. FeatherDance is also usable, but Murkrow again outclasses Pidgeot in supporting the team in this way. Whirlwind is an option, but Pidgeot's mediocre bulk doesn't allow it to withstand many attacks. Work Up is the best boosting move Pidgeot has but fails to improve its average power enough to be worth the time spent setting up. Pidgeot can set up Rain Dance and even make use of it with Hurricane, but Swanna is more effective in this role due to its STAB Surf and better Speed and power.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>While walling Pidgeot isn't difficult, it must be noted that most of the time Pidgeot will be using U-turn to scout for its counters. Steel-types, such as Probopass and Klang, wall Pidgeot and can easily set up on it. Rock-types also wall Pidgeot as long as they do not have a secondary typing which removes their resistance to Flying. Pidgeot has average power even with a Choice Band, so physically defensive Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Musharna, can easily tank any of its moves and retaliate with their STAB moves or cripple Pidgeot with status. Piloswine is a great check, as it can take any single hit from Pidgeot and threaten it with Icicle Spear and Ice Shard. Bulky Electric-type Pokemon, such as Ampharos and Eelektross, can switch in on any move but Return and threaten Pidgeot with their STAB moves. Most faster Pokemon can revenge kill Pidgeot easily due to its mediocre bulk and Stealth Rock weakness.</p>

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    [Overview]
    • Terribly outclassed by most other physical attacking Flying-type in the tier
    • Its mediocre bulk and Attack don't help it stand out
    • It has decent Speed, but misses out on the important base 95 Speed tier
    • Pidgeot can only differentiate itself slightly with its combination of Brave Bird, U-turn, and Quick Attack

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Pidgeot's power is so mediocre that it needs Choice Band to actually make a mark
    • Brave Bird is Pidgeot's strongest move, and it the only move that lets it differentiate itslef from Fearow
    • Return provides a reliable secondary STAB move that has no recoil
    • U-turn allows it to act as a scout and is an advantage over Dodrio
    • Quick Attack provides useful priority that Braviary doesn't have
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Jolly is necessary to outspeed the base 90 Speed Pokemon such as Kangaskhan and Zangoose
    • Choice Scarf can be used, but other Normal/Flying Pokemon use it better due to their higher Attack
    • Pursuit can be used in last slot to catch Gardevoir, but Jynx is better dealt with using Quick Attack and it fails to scare out most other Psychic- and Ghost-types
    • Stealth Rock support from Pokemon such as Golem or Seismitoad is necessary to possibly OHKO Choice Scarf Rotom-A and Offensive Armaldo with Return, and works together with U-turn
    • As this set switches around a lot, Pokemon that can prevent Stealth Rock from being set up are useful, such as Sawk and Samurott
    • This set is walled by Steel- and Rock-types, so other Fighting- and Water-types are helpful teammates to threaten them
    • Ground-type Pokemon such as Golurk and Seismitoad are helpful to prevent Electric-types using spamming Volt Switch
    [Other Options]
    • Special set with Hurricane, Heat Wave, and Hidden Power Ground, but Pidgeot's Special Attack is mediocre at best
    • Hidden Power Grass can be used with a Life Orb to hit GOlem and Seismitoad hard
    • Tailwind can help support the team, but is outclassed by Prankster Murkrow
    • FeatherDance can weaken physical attackers, but Murkrow uses it better due to Prankster
    • Whirlwind can be used, but Pidgeot is not bulky enough to withstand attacks
    • Work Up can improve Pidgeot's mediocre power, but not enough to be worth the effort
    • Pidgeot can set up Rain Dance and even make use of it with Hurricane, but it is outclassed by Swanna who has STAB Surf and more Speed and power
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Rock-types easily wall Pidgeot, and can retaliate with their STAB moves
    • Steel-types also wall Pidgeot and can set up on it
    • Even with Choice Band, Pidgeot has average power, so physically defensive Pokemon such as Alomomola and Misdreavus can easily tank its moves
    • Piloswine easily tanks a hit and can threaten Pidgeot back with its Ice STAB
    • Most faster Pokemon can revenge kill it due to its poor bulk and weakness to Stealth Rock
    • Bulky Electric-types such as Eelektross and Ampharos can tank any hit and OHKO Pidgeot with their STAB moves
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  2. Raseri

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    Pidgeot is such a weir bird, but I don't think that CB is the best way to take advantage of the few strengths it has.

    Pidgeot has one of the better mixed attacking stats of the Flying-types in NU, obviously beaten by the likes of Swanna, but 70 SpA is stil definitely usable on it. Because of that, I think the set should be something like:

    Brave Bird / Return / U-turn / HP Grass.

    It's a lot different, but it allows Pidgeot to attempt to do something that the other birds can't do nearly as well. It can lure in Golem, do a number on a lot of the most common checks to Flying-types. HP Ground is also an option to hit Probopass and Bastiodon, but I think HP Grass is more reliable overall.

    QC thoughts on this? I don't ike the idea of the only set being CB
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    0- SpA Pidgeot Hidden Power Grass vs. 200 HP / 0 SpD Golem: 192-228 (54.7 - 64.95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    You could just slash in HP Grass on CB (it does jack shit to anything not named Golem) and achieve the same effect. Pidgeot also can't 2hko offensive Probopass with 252 SpA and a neutral nature, so that's pretty awful.
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    Yeah, HP Grass can be a possible AC but I doubt that it is worth a slash on CB. If I slash in Life Orb maybe, since luring Golem (maybe Toad too) is ok-ish?
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    Add Piloswine in c&c, it can easily take one hit and strike back with Icicle Spear, and if it doesn't KO, Ice Shard will pick it off. It has a big change to get 2hko on the switch with Stealth Rock though, so Piloswine is mostly a check (unless you wanna be a hipster like me and you give your Piloswines def evs Oo).


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    WhiteDMist please write this up when you get a chance! :)
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    I'm on a roll today, this is written.
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    Scarf in OO rather than AC, they play pretty differently from each other so they should be treated as such.

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    Yeah, I talked about that as well on irc today. Done, this is ready for GP then.
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    [Overview]

    <p>As impressive as it looks, Pidgeot is terribly outclassed by most other physical Normal / Flying-type Normal / Flying type Pokemon in the tier. It's Its mediocre bulk and offenses do little to help it differentiate itself. Pidgeot does have a moderately good Speed, but it misses out on the important base 95 Speed tier threats,(RC) such as Jynx. While it still doesn't stand out particularly well, its combination of Brave Bird, U-turn, and Quick Attack make makes it a decent enough Choice Band user, but it is nothing special.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Sadly, Pidgeot's power is so mediocre that it needs a Choice Band set to actually leave a notable mark on the opposing team. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's strongest STAB move, and helps it differentiate it itself from Fearow. Return provides a reliable secondary STAB move that and doesn't cause it to take recoil. U-turn allows Pidgeot to scout the opposing team and ,(AC)escape any incoming counters, and is the move that differentiates it from Dodrio. Quick Attack is the final move on this set to provide , provides useful priority to pick off frail or weakened Pokemon, and is a move that Braviary doesn't have.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Jolly is necessary for Pidgeot to outspeed positive natured base 90 Speed threats, such as Zangoose and Kangaskhan. Life Orb can be used with Hidden Power Grass to threaten Golem and Seismitoad, but Pidgeot would usually one would prefer to U-turn out instead. Pursuit can be used in the last slot to catch Gardevoir on the switch, but Jynx and Haunter outspeed Pidgeot, are powerful enough to take it out, and likely won't switch out. Stealth Rock support,(RC) from Pokemon such as Golem or Seismitoad,(RC) is necessary to allow Pidgeot to have a good chance of OHKOing Choice Scarf Rotom-A and Offensive offensive Armaldo with Return and Brave Bird,(AC) respectively. As this set switches out often, Pokemon that can deter Stealth Rock from being set up, such as Choice Band Sawk and Taunt Samurott, are very useful teammates. In fact, any Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon would make good teammates as they can deal with the Rock- and Steel-types that wall Pidgeot. Ground-type Pokemon, such as Golurk and Piloswine, are helpful to prevent Electric-type Pokemon from gaining momentum against Pidgeot with Volt Switch.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Choice Scarf can also be used, but most other Normal / Flying type Pokemon utilize it better with their higher power. Pidgeot has a usable special movepool, and a set with Hurricane, Heat Wave, and Hidden power Power Ground is feasible. Unfortunately, such as a set isn't ideal because as Pidgeot's Special Attack is mediocre at best. Tailwind is a decent support move, but Pidgeot is outclassed by Prankster Murkrow in this role. FeatherDance is also usable, but Murkrow continues to outclass Pidgeot in supporting the team. Whirlwind is an option, but Pidgeot's mediocre bulk doesn't allow it to withstand many attacks. Work Up is the best boosting move Pidgeot has, but fails to improve its average power enough to be worth the time spent setting up. Pidgeot can set up Rain Dance and even make use of it with Hurricane, but Swanna is more effective in this role due to its STAB Surf and better Speed and power.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>While walling Pidgeot isn't difficult, one it must note be noted that most of the time,(AC) Pidgeot will be using U-turn to scout for its counters. Steel-types, such as Probopass and Klang, all wall Pidgeot and can easily set up on it. Rock-types also wall Pidgeot as long as they do not have a secondary typing that which removes their resistance to Flying. Pidgeot has average power even with a Choice Band, so physically defensive Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Musharna, can easily tank any of its moves and retaliate with their STAB moves or cripple Pidgeot with status. Piloswine is a great check, as it can take any single hit from Pidgeot and threaten it with Icicle Spear and Ice Shard. Bulky Electric-type Pokemon, such as Ampharos and Eelektross, can switch in on any move but Return,(RC) and threaten it with their STAB moves. Most faster Pokemon can revenge kill Pidgeot easily due to its mediocre bulk and Stealth Rock weakness.</p>

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    I haven't justified my check removing 'one', but it's generally frowned upon and not that great a move in general. Most of the stuff is kind of obvious, and the commas are as well(imo)
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    [Overview]

    <p>As impressive as it looks, Pidgeot is terribly outclassed by most other physical Normal / Flying type Pokemon in the tier. Its mediocre bulk and offenses do little to help it differentiate itself. Pidgeot does have a moderately good Speed, but it misses out on important base 95 Speed tier threats(space)such as Jynx. While it still doesn't stand out particularly well, its combination of Brave Bird, U-turn, and Quick Attack makes it a decent enough Choice Band user, but it is nothing special.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Sadly, Pidgeot's power is so mediocre that it needs a Choice Band set to actually leave a notable mark on the opposing team. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's strongest STAB move, and helps it differentiate itself from Fearow. Return provides a reliable secondary STAB move and doesn't cause it to take recoil. U-turn allows Pidgeot to scout the opposing team, escape any incoming counters, and differentiates it from Dodrio. Quick Attack is the final move on this set, providesas it is a useful priority move to pick off frail or weakened Pokemon, and is a move that Braviary doesn't have.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Jolly is necessary for Pidgeot to outspeed positive-(hyphen)natured base 90 Speed threats, such as Zangoose and Kangaskhan. Life Orb can be used with Hidden Power Grass to threaten Golem and Seismitoad, but Pidgeot would usually prefer to U-turn out instead. Pursuit can be used in the last slot to catch Gardevoir on the switch, but Jynx and Haunter outspeed Pidgeot, are powerful enough to take it out, and likely won't switch out. Stealth Rock support from Pokemon such as Golem or Seismitoad is necessary to allow Pidgeot to have a good chance of OHKOing Choice Scarf Rotom-A and offensive Armaldo with Return and Brave Bird, respectively. As this set switches out often, Pokemon that can deter Stealth Rock from being set up, such as Choice Band Sawk and Taunt Samurott, are very useful teammates. In fact, any Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon make good teammates as they can deal with the Rock- and Steel-types that wall Pidgeot. Ground-type Pokemon, such as Golurk and Piloswine, are helpful to prevent Electric-type Pokemon from gaining momentum against Pidgeot with Volt Switch.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Choice Scarf can also be used, but most other Normal / Flying type Pokemon utilize it better with their higher power. Pidgeot has a usable special movepool, and a set with Hurricane, Heat Wave, and Hidden Power Ground, and a filler move is feasible. Unfortunately, such a set isn't ideal as Pidgeot's Special Attack is mediocre at best. Tailwind is a decent support move, but Pidgeot is outclassed by Prankster Murkrow in this role. FeatherDance is also usable, but Murkrow continues to outclass Pidgeot in supporting the team. Whirlwind is an option, but Pidgeot's mediocre bulk doesn't allow it to withstand many attacks. Work Up is the best boosting move Pidgeot has, but fails to improve its average power enough to be worth the time spent setting up. Pidgeot can set up Rain Dance and even make use of it with Hurricane, but Swanna is more effective in this role due to its STAB Surf and better Speed and power.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>While walling Pidgeot isn't difficult, it must be noted that most of the time, Pidgeot will be using U-turn to scout for its counters. Steel-types, such as Probopass and Klang, wall Pidgeot and can easily set up on it. Rock-types also wall Pidgeot as long as they do not have a secondary typing which removes their resistance to Flying. Pidgeot has average power even with a Choice Band, so physically defensive Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Musharna, can easily tank any of its moves and retaliate with their STAB moves or cripple Pidgeot with status. Piloswine is a great check, as it can take any single hit from Pidgeot and threaten it with Icicle Spear and Ice Shard. Bulky Electric-type Pokemon, such as Ampharos and Eelektross, can switch in on any move but Return and threaten it with their STAB moves. Most faster Pokemon can revenge kill Pidgeot easily due to its mediocre bulk and Stealth Rock weakness.</p>


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    Holy, that was a quick edit. Thanks Rohail :)
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    [Overview]

    <p>As impressive as it looks, Pidgeot is terribly outclassed by most other physical Normal / Flying type Pokemon in the tier. Its mediocre bulk and offenses do little to help it differentiate itself. (add comma) Pidgeot and while it does have a moderately good Speed stat, but it misses out on important base 95 Speed tier threats such as Jynx. While it still doesn't stand out particularly well, its Its combination of Brave Bird, U-turn, and Quick Attack makes it a decent enough Choice Band user, but it is nothing special.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Sadly, Pidgeot's power is so mediocre that it needs a Choice Band set to actually leave a notable mark on the opposing team. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's strongest STAB move, (remove comma) and helps it differentiate itself from Fearow. Return provides a reliable secondary STAB move and doesn't cause it Pidgeot to take recoil. U-turn allows Pidgeot to scout the opposing team, escape any incoming counters, and differentiates it differentiate itself from Dodrio. Quick Attack is the final move on this set, as it is a useful priority move to pick off frail or weakened Pokemon, (remove comma) and is a move that Braviary doesn't have.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Jolly is necessary for Pidgeot to outspeed positive-natured base 90 Speed threats, (remove comma) such as Zangoose and Kangaskhan. Life Orb can be used with Hidden Power Grass to threaten Golem and Seismitoad, but Pidgeot would usually prefer to U-turn out instead. Pursuit can be used in the last slot to catch Gardevoir on the switch, but Jynx and Haunter&mdash;the most notable other targets it hits&mdash;outspeed Pidgeot, are powerful enough to take it out, and likely won't switch out. Stealth Rock support from Pokemon such as Golem or and Seismitoad is necessary to allow Pidgeot to have a good chance of OHKOing Choice Scarf Rotom-A and offensive Armaldo with Return and Brave Bird, respectively. As this set switches out often, Pokemon that can deter Stealth Rock from being set up, such as Choice Band Sawk and Taunt Samurott, are very useful teammates. In fact, any Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon make good teammates as they can deal with the Rock- and Steel-types that wall Pidgeot. Ground-type Pokemon, such as Golurk and Piloswine, are helpful to prevent Electric-type Pokemon from gaining momentum against Pidgeot with Volt Switch.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Choice Scarf can also be used, but most other Normal / Flying type Pokemon utilize it better with their higher power. Pidgeot has a usable special movepool, and a set with Hurricane, Heat Wave, Hidden Power Ground, and a filler move is feasible. Unfortunately, such a set isn't ideal as Pidgeot's Special Attack is mediocre at best. Tailwind is a decent support move, but Pidgeot is outclassed by Prankster Murkrow in this role. FeatherDance is also usable, but Murkrow continues to outclass again outclasses Pidgeot in supporting the team in this way. Whirlwind is an option, but Pidgeot's mediocre bulk doesn't allow it to withstand many attacks. Work Up is the best boosting move Pidgeot has, (remove comma) but fails to improve its average power enough to be worth the time spent setting up. Pidgeot can set up Rain Dance and even make use of it with Hurricane, but Swanna is more effective in this role due to its STAB Surf and better Speed and power.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>While walling Pidgeot isn't difficult, it must be noted that most of the time, (remove comma) Pidgeot will be using U-turn to scout for its counters. Steel-types, such as Probopass and Klang, wall Pidgeot and can easily set up on it. Rock-types also wall Pidgeot as long as they do not have a secondary typing which removes their resistance to Flying. Pidgeot has average power even with a Choice Band, so physically defensive Pokemon, such as Alomomola and Musharna, can easily tank any of its moves and retaliate with their STAB moves or cripple Pidgeot with status. Piloswine is a great check, as it can take any single hit from Pidgeot and threaten it with Icicle Spear and Ice Shard. Bulky Electric-type Pokemon, such as Ampharos and Eelektross, can switch in on any move but Return and threaten it Pidgeot with their STAB moves. Most faster Pokemon can revenge kill Pidgeot easily due to its mediocre bulk and Stealth Rock weakness.</p>


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    Implemented, thanks melvni did I do the em dash right? If so, this is done!
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