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Pidgeot (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by waterwarrior, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. waterwarrior

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    yay birdies! (open)

    [Overview]
    -Ash Ketchum had one, so the coolness factor went way up
    -Useless abilities
    -Average movepool
    -Outclassed by many other Normal/Flying types like Swellow and Dodrio
    -Surprisingly bulky compared to other Normal/Flying types
    -Great base 91 Speed

    [Set]
    Name: Choice Band
    Move 1: Brave Bird
    Move 2: Return
    Move 3: U-Turn
    Move 4: Pursuit/ Quick Attack
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Tangled Feet
    Nature: Jolly/ Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe

    [Set Comments]
    -Choice Band gives Pidgeot a very nice 389 Attack with a Jolly nature, more than enough to punch holes in the opponent's team
    -Brave Bird is the strongest attack on this set, and gives great neutral coverage
    -Return, much like Brave Bird, has high power and neutral coverage, but sacrifices a bit of power for no recoil
    -U-Turn allows you a quick escape and the ability to regain momentum if need be
    -Even though Pidgeot does not force many switches, Pursuit is always an option to hit fleeing foes
    -Quick Attack gives Pidgeot nice priority, and can stop faster threats in low health.

    [Additional Comments]
    -Name one offensive mon that doesn't love hazards
    -Since its a Flying type, Spin support is always nice, especially with BB recoil adding up
    -Double-Edge is illegal with Brave Bird, forcing you to use Fly or Aerial Ace for your other STAB.
    -For a slightly bulkier spread, it is possible to move 48 EVs from Speed to HP to retain an odd HP number while still outspeeding non-Scarf base 85's, like Sawk

    [Other Options]
    -Pidgeot has access to FeatherDance, but that is better left to Murkrow
    -Pidgeot can run a Specs set with moves like Hurricane and Heat Wave
    -Pidgeot can supply its own rain for a Special set through Rain Dance
    -Tailwind can be used to increase the team's Speed

    [Checks and Counters]
    -Unfortunately, even with a Choice Band attached, Pidgeot's power isn't enormous, and can't get past many physical walls
    -Rock types like Golem and Regirock can easily take anything Pidgeot can throw at them
    -Pidgeot's Speed, while high by all means, is not amazing, and there are plenty of things in the meta, like Cinccino, Swellow, and almost all Scarfers that can easily check the bird


    [Overview]

    <p>Much like Pikachu, there are very few people who can successfully use Pidgeot save Ash Ketchum. Aside from that awesome hairdo, there are very few advantages Pidgeot has over other Normal / Flying typesthat will always compete for Pidgeot's spot on your team such as Swellow, Braviary, and even Dodrio. While Pidgeot does have slightly greater bulk than its colleagues, its inferior offensive stats, lower Speed, and awful abilities make Pidgeot incredibly outclassed at almost anything it tries to achieve. Pidgeot's movepool is not a saving grace for the original bird either, as it has practically the same movepool as Swellow and Braviary.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Pursuit / Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>By utilizing a Choice Band, Pidgeot attempts to carve a niche for itself, as any Choice Scarf set is outclassed by Braviary due to Braviary's significantly higher Attack stat and access to Superpower, which can at least dent common Rock-type switch-ins, and any non-Choice sets are outclassed by Toxic Orb + Guts Swellow. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's bread-and-butter STAB attack, able to punch large holes in anything that doesn't resist it. Return is a weaker, more standard STAB attack, but using it preserves Pidgeot's precious HP. Because preserving Pidgeot's health is so important, Return is the preferred attacking move until it can clean up with Brave Bird. U-turn allows Pidgeot to easily escape from its counters that try to switch in while also nailing Psychic-, Grass-, and Dark-types such as Mesprit and Torterra. Pursuit is an interesting option on a Choice Band set given its low Base Power, but it can demolish a weakened foe attempting to escape from Pidgeot's Return or Brave Bird. Quick Attack is a useful priority move and can easily finish off frailer opponents. Quick Attack is also Pidgeot's only way of stopping Absol as Quick Attack will make Sucker Punch, which would normally KO Pidgeot, useless.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Pidgeot to hit a respectable 389 Attack with a Jolly nature, factoring in theChoice Bandboost. While this is unfortunately not enough to bust through teams without breaking a sweat, it is still enough to leave large dents in the opponent's team. The given EV spread also gives Pidgeot an HP stat that is not divisible by 4, meaning it can switch into Stealth Rock four times instead of three. An alternate EV spread can be made by placing 48 Speed EVs into HP, which retains the numeric property, gives Pidgeot a bit more bulk, and allows Pidgeot to still outspeed non-Choice Scarf base 85 Speed Pokemon such as Sawk.</p>

    <p>In regards to teammates, Pidgeot needs practically the same support Swellow does, albeit to a larger extent. As Pidgeot will be switching out often due to the nature of Choice items, as well as continuous recoil damage from Brave Bird,spinners such as Armaldo and Wartortle are mandatory for Pidgeot to succeed. Hazards support from Pokemon such as Cacturne and Mesprit is also highly recommended, as it can turn crucial 2HKOs into OHKOs, making Pidgeot a deadlier threat. Special sweepers like Magmortar or Gorebyss also make excellent teammates, as they can tear down many of the walls that Pidgeot has trouble dealing with, such as Regirock and Golem. Cacturne is useful not only for Spikes support, but also for its ability to easily scare away Alomomola and the Rock-types that counter Pidgeot with its STAB Seed Bomb. Bulk Up users such as Gurdurr and Throh can also come in on the main Pidgeot counters and proceed to set up on them while shrugging off anything that said counters can do to them.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Since Pidgeot is so outclassed, it does not have many other options it can effectively use. Pidgeot has access to FeatherDance, which can help the team deal with physical sweepers such as Sawk or Swellow, but Murkrow is a much better user due to priority from Prankster. A Choice Specs set is plausible, as Pidgeot does receive Hurricane and Heat Wave, but it is rather gimmicky, especially with Pidgeot's low Special Attack stat. If you do decide to use a non-Choice special variant of Pidgeot, it can supply its own rain for Hurricane through Rain Dance, but Swanna is a better Hurricane user to begin with due to higher Special Attack, Speed, and Water STAB to further abuse rain with. Tailwind is another gimmicky support option Pidgeot can utilize to boost the team's Speed, but, once again, Murkrow is a better Tailwind user due to Prankster.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Unfortunately for Pidgeot, even with a Choice Band attached, its power is not enormous, and it struggles to get past a large majority of the physical walls in NU. Regirock, Golem, and Bastiodon can all hammer and destroy Pidgeot with their STAB Rock-type moves while taking little damage from Pidgeot's attacks. Quagsire can also take care of Pidgeot due to its high physical bulk and Recover. Pidgeot has to fear status inducers as well, as a paralyzed Pidgeot instantly becomes useless, and a burned Pidgeot is even worse. Pidgeot's Speed may be high, but it is nowhere near the highest in NU, and faster Pokemon, namely Swellow and Cinccino, and Choice Scarf users such as Rotom-S can easily revenge kill Pidgeot due to its average defenses.</p>
  2. Endorfins

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    Murkrow does the annoyer set way better and in general annoyer sets dont really work, the point of the game is to make your opponents faint, not annoy them with moves like Featherdance. Ill leave it up to QC but I dont think it should be a set
  3. waterwarrior

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    ^As stated, the annoyer also Toxic stalls (or at least tries to. 83/75/70 isn't amazing, but its good) the attackers, so it is dealing out some sort of damage.

    EDIT: noticed Annoyer set had 4 Atk instead of 4 SpD. I can't explain that.
  4. Ahhhhhh......Clefable.

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    Yeah, I don't like the annoyer set either. I think you should rework the EVs and change it from an "annoyer" set to a "bulky wall" set. As you mentioned, Pidgeot does sport decent bulk, as well as two immunities. It's still pretty outclassed as a defensive Pokemon, but it's better than being an easily-stopped "annoyer."
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    I agree that the Annoyer set is totally outclassed by Murkrow, it does literally everything about the set better. Focus on CB, with maybe a bulkier EV spread that outspeeds Sawk.
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    Remove the annoyed set, it's terrible and I would never use it like ever lol
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    rain dance in OO? kind of outclassed by pelliper but it has nicer speed. at the very least, it has a strong STAB.
  8. waterwarrior

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    Removed annoyer set (btw Omicron, you just implied you would ever use Pidgeot O.o) by popular demand, reshaped OO, and added bulkier spread to AC.

    At least I'm trying to make Pidgeot useful >.>

    QC stamps pweaze?
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    probably the coolest looking normal/flying mon, such a shame.

    edit: fuck you omicron, staraptor is an emo fag
  10. Omicron

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    Idk tennis I think Staraptor takes the cake tbh

    QC APPROVED (2/3)

    Edit: Fuck you tennis Pidgeot is a gay hipster

    and he's even more gay since Ash owned him
  11. Zebraiken

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    i just wanted to inform y'all that swellow is by far the coolest normal/flying-type pokemon
  12. waterwarrior

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    Well, time for this to go back to sleep for a couple days.

    Oh yea, Dodrio is the best, kthnxbai.
  13. waterwarrior

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    Changed mentions of Dodrio to Swellow, removed comments about Rhydon and Magneton. Nothing else really needs to change, so ready for the second round of QC.
  14. waterwarrior

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    Okey dokey lokey, this is written!
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    Farfetch'd for Ruler of all Flying-types 2012.

    Removals in Red
    Additions/Replacements in Green
    Quick Comments in Blue

    Edits (open)
    [Overview]

    <p>Much like Pikachu, there are very few people who can successfully use Pidgeot outside of Ash Ketchum. Aside from that awesome hairdo, there are very few advantages Pidgeot has over other Normal / Flying types like (such as) Swellow and Braviary (and even Dodrio) who will always compete for Pidgeot's spot on your team. While Pidgeot does have slightly greater bulk than its colleagues, Pidgeot's inferior offensive stats, lower Speed, and awful abilities make Pidgeot incredibly outclassed at almost anything it can attempt to do (tries to achieve). Pidgeot's movepool is not a saving grace for the original bird either, as it has practically the same movepool as Swellow and Braviary.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-Turn
    move 4: Pursuit / Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>By equipping a Choice Band, Pidgeot attempts to carve a niche for itself, as any Choice Scarf set is outclassed by Braviary and any non-Choiced sets are outclassed by Swellow. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's bread-and-butter STAB attack, being able to punch large holes in anything that isn't a Rock- or Steel-type (doesn't resist it). Return is a weaker (comma) (more) standard STAB attack, but (using it) preserves Pidgeot's precious HP, (period) and should be the main move in early- and mid-game play (Because preserving Pidgeot's health is so important, Return is the preferred attacking move until you can clean up with Brave Bird). U-Turn can allow Pidgeot to easily escape from its counters, should you predict them to switch in, while also nailing Psychic-, Grass-, and Dark-types such as Mesprit and Torterra. Pursuit is an interesting option on a Choice Band set given its low Base Power, but (it) can demolish a weakened foe attempting to escape from Pidgeot's Return or Brave Bird. Quick Attack gives Pidgeot a useful priority move, and can easily finish off frailer opponents in the red. ("in the red" is redundant with "finish off") Quick Attack is also Pidgeot's only way of stopping Absol, as Quick Attack will make his Sucker Punch (comma) (which would normally KO Pidgeot) (comma) useless, which would usually KO Pidgeot otherwise.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Pidgeot to hit a respectable 389 Attack with a Jolly nature, factoring in the boost from Choice Band. While (this is) unfortunately not enough to bust through teams without breaking a sweat, it is still enough to leave large dents in the opponent('s team). The given EV spread also gives Pidgeot an odd HP stat, meaning it can switch into Stealth Rock 5 times instead of 4. An alternate EV spread can be made by placing 48 Speed EVs into HP, which retains the odd HP stat, gives Pidgeot a bit more bulk, and allows Pidgeot to still be able to outspeed non-Scarf(ed) base 85 Speed Pokemon, such as Sawk.</p>

    <p>In regards to teammates, it (Pidgeot) needs practically the same support Swellow does, albeit to a larger extent. As Pidgeot will be switching out often due to the nature of Choice items, as well as continuous recoil damage from Brave Bird, Rapid Spin support from Pokemon such as Armaldo and Wartortle is almost mandatory in order for Pidgeot to succeed. Hazards support from Pokemon such as Cacturne and Mesprit as (is) also highly recommended, as it can turn crucial 2HKOs into OHKOs, making Pidgeot much harder to check or counter (a deadlier threat). (Changed because anything that can be OHKOed after SR isn't really a counter or check :I) Special sweepers like Magmortar or Gorebyss also make excellent teammates, as they can tear down many of the walls that Pidgeot has trouble dealing with (comma) such as Regirock and Golem. Cacturne is also a usable teammate, as it can (useful not only for Spikes support but because it can) easily scare away Alomomola as well as threaten (and) the Rock-types that counter Pidgeot with its STAB Seed Bomb. Bulk Up Gurdurr and Bulk Up Throh can also come in on the main counters to Pidgeot and proceed to set up on them while shrugging off anything that said counters can do to them.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Since Pidgeot is so outclassed, it does not have many other options it can effectively use. Pidgeot has access to FeatherDance, which can help the team deal with physical sweepers such as Sawk or Swellow, but Murkrow is a much better user due to (priority from) Prankster giving FeatherDance priority. A Choice Specs set with moves like Hurricane and Heat Wave is plausible, but is rather gimmicky, especially with Pidgeot's low Special Attack stat. If you do decide to use a non-Choiced Special variant of Pidgeot, it can supply its own rain for Hurricane through Rain Dance, but Swanna is a better user of Hurricane to begin with due to higher Special Attack (comma) as well as higher Speed (comma) and Water STAB to further abuse Rain with. Tailwind is another gimmicky support option Pidgeot can utilize to boost the team's Speed, but, once again, Murkrow is a better user due to Prankster.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Unfortunately for Pidgeot, even with a Choice Band attached, its power is not enormous, and it struggles to get past a large majority of the physical walls in NU, especially (period) Regirock, Golem, and Bastiodon, who can all hammer and destroy Pidgeot with their STAB Rock-type moves as well (as taking little damage from Pidgeot's attacks). Quagsire can also take care of Pidgeot due to his high physical bulk and Recover. Pidgeot also has to fear status-inducers as well, as a paralyzed Pidgeot instantly becomes useless, and a burned Pidgeot is even worse. Pidgeot's Speed may be high, but it is nowhere near among the highest in NU, and faster Pokemon like Swellow, Cinccino, and many of the common Choice Scarfed Pokemon, such as Rotom-S, can easily revenge kill Pidgeot due to its only average defenses.</p>


    Copy/Paste (open)
    [Overview]

    <p>Much like Pikachu, there are very few people who can successfully use Pidgeot outside of Ash Ketchum. Aside from that awesome hairdo, there are very few advantages Pidgeot has over other Normal / Flying types such as Swellow and Braviary (and even Dodrio) who will always compete for Pidgeot's spot on your team. While Pidgeot does have slightly greater bulk than its colleagues, inferior offensive stats, lower Speed, and awful abilities make Pidgeot incredibly outclassed at almost anything it tries to achieve. Pidgeot's movepool is not a saving grace for the original bird either, as it has practically the same movepool as Swellow and Braviary.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-Turn
    move 4: Pursuit / Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>By equipping a Choice Band, Pidgeot attempts to carve a niche for itself, as any Choice Scarf set is outclassed by Braviary and any non-Choiced sets are outclassed by Swellow. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's bread-and-butter STAB attack, being able to punch large holes in anything that doesn't resist it. Return is a weaker, more standard STAB attack, but using it preserves Pidgeot's precious HP. Because preserving Pidgeot's health is so important, Return is the preferred attacking move until you can clean up with Brave Bird. U-Turn can allow Pidgeot to easily escape from its counters, should you predict them to switch in, while also nailing Psychic-, Grass-, and Dark-types such as Mesprit and Torterra. Pursuit is an interesting option on a Choice Band set given its low Base Power, but it can demolish a weakened foe attempting to escape from Pidgeot's Return or Brave Bird. Quick Attack gives Pidgeot a useful priority move, and can easily finish off frailer opponents. Quick Attack is also Pidgeot's only way of stopping Absol, as Quick Attack will make Sucker Punch, which would normally KO Pidgeot, useless.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Pidgeot to hit a respectable 389 Attack with a Jolly nature, factoring in the boost from Choice Band. While this is unfortunately not enough to bust through teams without breaking a sweat, it is still enough to leave large dents in the opponent's team. The given EV spread also gives Pidgeot an odd HP stat, meaning it can switch into Stealth Rock 5 times instead of 4. An alternate EV spread can be made by placing 48 Speed EVs into HP, which retains the odd HP stat, gives Pidgeot a bit more bulk, and allows Pidgeot to still outspeed non-Scarfed base 85 Speed Pokemon, such as Sawk.</p>

    <p>In regards to teammates, Pidgeot needs practically the same support Swellow does, albeit to a larger extent. As Pidgeot will be switching out often due to the nature of Choice items, as well as continuous recoil damage from Brave Bird, Rapid Spin support from Pokemon such as Armaldo and Wartortle is mandatory for Pidgeot to succeed. Hazards support from Pokemon such as Cacturne and Mesprit is also highly recommended, as it can turn crucial 2HKOs into OHKOs, making Pidgeot a deadlier threat. Special sweepers like Magmortar or Gorebyss also make excellent teammates, as they can tear down many of the walls that Pidgeot has trouble dealing with, such as Regirock and Golem. Cacturne is useful not only for Spikes support but because it can easily scare away Alomomola and the Rock-types that counter Pidgeot with its STAB Seed Bomb. Bulk Up Gurdurr and Bulk Up Throh can also come in on the main counters to Pidgeot and proceed to set up on them while shrugging off anything that said counters can do to them.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Since Pidgeot is so outclassed, it does not have many other options it can effectively use. Pidgeot has access to FeatherDance, which can help the team deal with physical sweepers such as Sawk or Swellow, but Murkrow is a much better user due to priority from Prankster. A Choice Specs set with moves like Hurricane and Heat Wave is plausible, but is rather gimmicky, especially with Pidgeot's low Special Attack stat. If you do decide to use a non-Choiced Special variant of Pidgeot, it can supply its own rain for Hurricane through Rain Dance, but Swanna is a better user of Hurricane to begin with due to higher Special Attack, Speed, and Water STAB to further abuse Rain with. Tailwind is another gimmicky support option Pidgeot can utilize to boost the team's Speed, but, once again, Murkrow is a better user due to Prankster.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Unfortunately for Pidgeot, even with a Choice Band attached, its power is not enormous, and it struggles to get past a large majority of the physical walls in NU. Regirock, Golem, and Bastiodon can all hammer and destroy Pidgeot with their STAB Rock-type moves as well as taking little damage from Pidgeot's attacks. Quagsire can also take care of Pidgeot due to his high physical bulk and Recover. Pidgeot has to fear status-inducers as well, as a paralyzed Pidgeot instantly becomes useless, and a burned Pidgeot is even worse. Pidgeot's Speed may be high, but it is nowhere near the highest in NU, and faster Pokemon like Swellow, Cinccino, and many of the common Scarfed Pokemon, such as Rotom-S, can easily revenge kill Pidgeot due to its only average defenses.</p>
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    Crap... I added in the changes without a stamp... Well, his checks have been good so far right... RIGHT? -gulp-
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    don't worry, waterwarrior, you're good ;)

    Mafeking, fantastic check overall! A few things though: use Choice Scarf instead of Scarfed / Scarf (same for band and specs) and Choice instead of Choiced, and the t in U-turn is decapitalized. I generally like your prose changes, and you've got the hang of the other gp convention changes, so keep up the great work!

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    [Overview]

    <p>Much like Pikachu, there are very few people who can successfully use Pidgeot outside of Ash Ketchum. Aside from that awesome hairdo, there are very few advantages Pidgeot has over other Normal / Flying types, such as Swellow and Braviary, and even Dodrio, who will always compete for Pidgeot's spot on your team. While Pidgeot does have slightly greater bulk than its colleagues, inferior offensive stats, lower Speed, and awful abilities make Pidgeot incredibly outclassed at almost anything it tries to achieve. Pidgeot's movepool is not a saving grace for the original bird either, as it has practically the same movepool as Swellow and Braviary.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Pursuit / Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>By utilizing a Choice Band, Pidgeot attempts to carve a niche for itself, as any Choice Scarf set is outclassed by Braviary <why?> and any non-Choice sets are outclassed by Toxic Orb + Guts Swellow. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's bread-and-butter STAB attack, being able to punch large holes in anything that doesn't resist it. Return is a weaker, more standard STAB attack, but using it preserves Pidgeot's precious HP. Because preserving Pidgeot's health is so important, Return is the preferred attacking move until it can clean up with Brave Bird. U-turn allows Pidgeot to easily escape from its counters, should you predict them to switch in, while also nailing Psychic-, Grass-, and Dark-types such as Mesprit and Torterra. Pursuit is an interesting option on a Choice Band set given its low Base Power, but it can demolish a weakened foe attempting to escape from Pidgeot's Return or Brave Bird. Quick Attack gives Pidgeot a useful priority move, and can easily finish off frailer opponents. Quick Attack is also Pidgeot's only way of stopping Absol, as Quick Attack will make Sucker Punch, which would normally KO Pidgeot, useless.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Pidgeot to hit a respectable 389 Attack with a Jolly nature, factoring in the boost from Choice Band. While this is unfortunately not enough to bust through teams without breaking a sweat, it is still enough to leave large dents in the opponent's team. The given EV spread also gives Pidgeot an odd HP stat, meaning it can switch into Stealth Rock five times instead of four. An alternate EV spread can be made by placing 48 Speed EVs into HP, which retains the odd HP stat, gives Pidgeot a bit more bulk, and allows Pidgeot to still outspeed non-Choice Scarf base 85 Speed Pokemon, such as Sawk.</p>

    <p>In regards to teammates, Pidgeot needs practically the same support Swellow does, albeit to a larger extent. As Pidgeot will be switching out often due to the nature of Choice items, as well as continuous recoil damage from Brave Bird, Rapid Spin support from Pokemon such as Armaldo and Wartortle is mandatory for Pidgeot to succeed. Hazards support from Pokemon such as Cacturne and Mesprit is also highly recommended, as it can turn crucial 2HKOs into OHKOs, making Pidgeot a deadlier threat. Special sweepers like Magmortar or Gorebyss also make excellent teammates, as they can tear down many of the walls that Pidgeot has trouble dealing with, such as Regirock and Golem. Cacturne is useful not only for Spikes support, but because it can easily scare away Alomomola and the Rock-types that counter Pidgeot with its STAB Seed Bomb. Bulk Up users, such as Gurdurr and Throh, can also come in on the main counters to Pidgeot and proceed to set up on them while shrugging off anything that said counters can do to them.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Since Pidgeot is so outclassed, it does not have many other options it can effectively use. Pidgeot has access to FeatherDance, which can help the team deal with physical sweepers such as Sawk or Swellow, but Murkrow is a much better user due to priority from Prankster. A Choice Specs set is plausible, as Pidgeot does receive Hurricane and Heat Wave, but is rather gimmicky, especially with Pidgeot's low Special Attack stat. If you do decide to use a non-Choice special variant of Pidgeot, it can supply its own rain for Hurricane through Rain Dance, but Swanna is a better user of Hurricane to begin with due to higher Special Attack, Speed, and Water STAB to further abuse rain with. Tailwind is another gimmicky support option Pidgeot can utilize to boost the team's Speed, but, once again, Murkrow is a better user of this move due to Prankster.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Unfortunately for Pidgeot, even with a Choice Band attached, its power is not enormous, and it struggles to get past a large majority of the physical walls in NU. Regirock, Golem, and Bastiodon can all hammer and destroy Pidgeot with their STAB Rock-type moves as well as taking little damage from Pidgeot's attacks. Quagsire can also take care of Pidgeot due to its high physical bulk and Recover. Pidgeot has to fear status inducers as well, as a paralyzed Pidgeot instantly becomes useless, and a burned Pidgeot is even worse. Pidgeot's Speed may be high, but it is nowhere near the highest in NU, and faster Pokemon, namely Swellow and Cinccino, as well as many Choice Scarf users, such as Rotom-S, can easily revenge kill Pidgeot due to its only average defenses.</p>
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    You should generally implement them anyway, unless they're obviously a bad check (and most of our amateur GP checkers do a pretty good job). If it's not up to par, an official member will just check over it anyway.
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    Ah, much better. So is this 2/2 or 1/2?

    EDIT: Nevermind
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    [Overview]

    <p>Much like Pikachu, there are very few people who can successfully use Pidgeot save Ash Ketchum. Aside from that awesome hairdo, there are very few advantages Pidgeot has over other Normal / Flying types that will always compete for Pidgeot's spot on your team, such as Swellow, and Braviary, and even Dodrio., who will always compete for Pidgeot's spot on your team. While Pidgeot does have slightly greater bulk than its colleagues, its inferior offensive stats, lower Speed, and awful abilities make Pidgeot incredibly outclassed at almost anything it tries to achieve. Pidgeot's movepool is not a saving grace for the original bird either, as it has practically the same movepool as Swellow and Braviary.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Pursuit / Quick Attack
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Tangled Feet
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>By utilizing a Choice Band, Pidgeot attempts to carve a niche for itself, as any Choice Scarf set is outclassed by Braviary <why?> and any non-Choice sets are outclassed by Toxic Orb + Guts Swellow. Brave Bird is Pidgeot's bread-and-butter STAB attack, being able to punch large holes in anything that doesn't resist it. Return is a weaker, more standard STAB attack, but using it preserves Pidgeot's precious HP. Because preserving Pidgeot's health is so important, Return is the preferred attacking move until it can clean up with Brave Bird. U-turn allows Pidgeot to easily escape from its counters that try to switch in, should you predict them to switch in, while also nailing Psychic-, Grass-, and Dark-types such as Mesprit and Torterra. Pursuit is an interesting option on a Choice Band set given its low Base Power, but it can demolish a weakened foe attempting to escape from Pidgeot's Return or Brave Bird. Quick Attack gives Pidgeot is a useful priority move, and can easily finish off frailer opponents. Quick Attack is also Pidgeot's only way of stopping Absol, as Quick Attack will make Sucker Punch, which would normally KO Pidgeot, useless.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Pidgeot to hit a respectable 389 Attack with a Jolly nature, factoring in the boost from Choice Band boost. While this is unfortunately not enough to bust through teams without breaking a sweat, it is still enough to leave large dents in the opponent's team. The given EV spread also gives Pidgeot an odd HP stat that is not divisible by 4, meaning it can switch into Stealth Rock four times instead of three. An alternate EV spread can be made by placing 48 Speed EVs into HP, which retains the numeric property, gives Pidgeot a bit more bulk, and allows Pidgeot to still outspeed non-Choice Scarf base 85 Speed Pokemon, such as Sawk.</p>

    <p>In regards to teammates, Pidgeot needs practically the same support Swellow does, albeit to a larger extent. As Pidgeot will be switching out often due to the nature of Choice items, as well as continuous recoil damage from Brave Bird, spinners such as Armaldo and Wartortle are mandatory for Pidgeot to succeed. Hazards support from Pokemon such as Cacturne and Mesprit is also highly recommended, as it can turn crucial 2HKOs into OHKOs, making Pidgeot a deadlier threat. Special sweepers like Magmortar or Gorebyss also make excellent teammates, as they can tear down many of the walls that Pidgeot has trouble dealing with, such as Regirock and Golem. Cacturne is useful not only for Spikes support, but also for its ability to easily scare away Alomomola and the Rock-types that counter Pidgeot with its STAB Seed Bomb. Bulk Up users, such as Gurdurr and Throh, can also come in on the main Pidgeot counters and proceed to set up on them while shrugging off anything that said counters can do to them.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Since Pidgeot is so outclassed, it does not have many other options it can effectively use. Pidgeot has access to FeatherDance, which can help the team deal with physical sweepers such as Sawk or Swellow, but Murkrow is a much better user due to priority from Prankster. A Choice Specs set is plausible, as Pidgeot does receive Hurricane and Heat Wave, but it is rather gimmicky, especially with Pidgeot's low Special Attack stat. If you do decide to use a non-Choice special variant of Pidgeot, it can supply its own rain for Hurricane through Rain Dance, but Swanna is a better Hurricane user to begin with due to higher Special Attack, Speed, and Water STAB to further abuse rain with. Tailwind is another gimmicky support option Pidgeot can utilize to boost the team's Speed, but, once again, Murkrow is a better Tailwind user due to Prankster.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Unfortunately for Pidgeot, even with a Choice Band attached, its power is not enormous, and it struggles to get past a large majority of the physical walls in NU. Regirock, Golem, and Bastiodon can all hammer and destroy Pidgeot with their STAB Rock-type moves while taking little damage from Pidgeot's attacks. Quagsire can also take care of Pidgeot due to its high physical bulk and Recover. Pidgeot has to fear status inducers as well, as a paralyzed Pidgeot instantly becomes useless, and a burned Pidgeot is even worse. Pidgeot's Speed may be high, but it is nowhere near the highest in NU, and faster Pokemon, namely Swellow and Cinccino, and Choice Scarf users, such as Rotom-S, can easily revenge kill Pidgeot due to its only average defenses.</p>


    I'm not stamping this yet as you need to expand a bit on one area (highlighted in Green). Add this check and expand on that part. I'll look at it again.
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    Where's the highlighted part? I don't see one. Could we hurry this along to get it done?
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    You need to explain why/how Braviary outclasses the Scarf set, rather than just copy-pasting the '<why>'. Aside from that, SS' check holds.
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    Oh my god, that's just a couple of words, he could've stamped it anyways.

    It's like Superpower, more powerful aaaaand done. So simple...
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    Gah, sorry about the long wait. IRL stuff and all that. Anyways, I added this sentence:

    as any Choice Scarf set is outclassed by Braviary due to Braviary's significantly higher Attack stat, aided by the fact that Braviary has access to Superpower, which can at least dent common Rock-type switch-ins,

    Everything else in Steven Snype's check has been implemented. 2nd GP check time?

    EDIT: looking back at sirndpt's check, is "Toxic Orb + Guts Swellow" actually needed over simply Swellow? The only other set that ever sees the light of day is the same set, but with Flame Orb.
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    Cry about it.

    "Choice Scarf set is outclassed by Braviary due to Braviary's significantly higher Attack stat, aided by the fact that Braviary has and access to Superpower, which can at least dent common Rock-type switch-ins, "

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