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Piloswine (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by ScraftyIsTheBest, Mar 25, 2013.

  1. ScraftyIsTheBest

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    This thing's really underrated.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Despite its NFE status, Piloswine holds a strong niche in RU as a great tank. Thanks to Eviolite, Piloswine's decent 100 / 80 / 60 defenses reach formidable levels, allowing it to take many hits. Piloswine is no slouch offensively either, as it has a solid base 100 Attack and great Ground / Ice coverage to back it up. Thick Fat is a big boon for Piloswine as well, as it neuters its Fire weakness and grants it an Ice resistance. This makes Piloswine a solid check to the ever-popular hail teams. However, Piloswine has its flaws. Its typing, while granting some decent resistances, gives it many weaknesses to common attacking types such as Water, Grass, and Fighting. Secondly, Piloswine is extremely slow, meaning it is forced to take damage before it reacts. Finally, Piloswine lacks any reliable recovery, not even Leftovers, so it will be worn down fairly easily by repeated hits over the course of the match. Despite these flaws, Piloswine is still a solid Pokemon.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Icicle Crash / Icicle Spear
    move 4: Ice Shard / Stone Edge
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Piloswine's best bet at working well in RU. With solid bulk, a decent Attack stat, Stealth Rock, and good dual STABs, Piloswine can function as a solid tank that can take strong hits while dishing them out. While it faces stiff competition from Rhydon, Piloswine stands out with its resistance to Ice, lack of a Ground weakness, priority, and greater special bulk. Piloswine also checks threats such as Absol and Glaceon rather well. Stealth Rock is a great asset to any team, and Piloswine does well at setting it up with its decent typing and bulk. Earthquake provides an obligatory Ground STAB and hits decently hard off of Piloswine's base 100 Attack stat. Icicle Crash is chosen as the primary Ice STAB due to its decent Base Power. Icicle Spear, however, is useful to break Substitutes from Pokemon such as Sceptile, and also provides perfect accuracy. Finally, Ice Shard is chosen as priority to pick off weakened opponents, and it also patches up Piloswine's low Speed stat decently. However, Stone Edge is usable if priority is not needed; it gives Piloswine the edge over Moltres and Cryogonal.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is fairly simple; it aims to make the most of Piloswine's bulk and decent power. However, a more defensive EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD with an Impish nature can be used to allow Piloswine to take hits better while still hitting decently hard, although the extra bulk is rarely needed. An Adamant nature is chosen to make the most of Piloswine's offensive options. Thick Fat is a great ability, as it neuters Piloswine's Fire weakness and grants it a resistance to Ice, further complementing its tanking abilities. Stone Edge is a viable option over Stealth Rock if the move is not needed.</p>

    <p>Roselia makes a good teammate; it resists the Water- and Grass-type moves that Piloswine despises, while Piloswine resists Ice-type moves. Roselia also can set up Spikes to allow Piloswine to nab more needed KOs. Piloswine has no recovery, not even Leftovers, so Wish support is ideal; Clefable and Alomomola are both viable options. Misdreavus pairs up well and can absorb Fighting-type attacks aimed at Piloswine while preventing the removal of Stealth Rock; it can also cure Piloswine of status with Heal Bell. Offensive Pokemon that benefit from the Stealth Rock that Piloswine sets up are good teammates; Rotom-C and Lilligant are both good examples, handling bulky Water-types for Piloswine.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Piloswine has some unorthodox options that can be used to some effect. Superpower is a powerful move, but it provides no notable coverage aside from Ferroseed. Toxic is a usable option to wear down defensive Pokemon that Piloswine is unable to break through, such as Uxie and Cryogonal, but it is more often than not a waste of a moveslot. Piloswine has access to Curse, meaning it can act as a powerful and bulky attacker, but it will rarely find the time to boost, and its lack of reliable recovery really lets it down. Quite ironically, Piloswine has access to Light Screen and Reflect to soften up hits. Endeavor in conjunction with a Focus Sash and Ice Shard can work, but this strategy is nothing more than a gimmick. Amnesia is a decent option to boost Piloswine's middling Special Defense, but this is generally not a worthwhile investment overall. Roar is usable for Piloswine to shuffle the opposing team, and this complements Stealth Rock well. Rest and Sleep Talk are Piloswine's only form of recovery, but Piloswine is then strapped for moveslots. Furthermore, the sleep mechanics of the fifth generation make this a bad idea. Finally, Piloswine can go more on the offensive with either a Life Orb or a Choice Band, but is too slow to make good use of the items.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Although Piloswine's great coverage and bulk make it hard to counter, there are several good ways to check it. Sceptile, Rotom-C, and Lilligant cannot come in on Icicle Crash or Ice Shard, but their Grass STAB can make quick work out of Piloswine. Poliwrath and Alomomola are bulky enough to take most of Piloswine's attacks and can retaliate with Scald or Waterfall, respectively. Ludicolo, Feraligatr, Crawdaunt, and Samurott can all check Piloswine decently, although the latter three must be wary of coming in on Earthquake. Defensive variants of Cryogonal can stall Piloswine with Toxic while spinning away Stealth Rock. Escavalier and Slowking both have enough bulk to take hits from Piloswine and can retaliate with Iron Head or Surf. Moltres can come in on Piloswine that lack Stone Edge and make quick work of them with its power. Durant, Gallade, and Hitmonlee all hit Piloswine super effectively but must be wary of coming in on Piloswine's attacks.</p>
  2. tehy

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    You probably need to flesh out the CnC more;can't Cryo take anything but Stone edge, spin rocks, wear you down with Toxic if it's packing it? I'm sure there's more stuff, bulkier pokes like Uxie and so on. Samurott wrecks it too I assume, so does Rotom-Mow.

    OO it has Curse, and I guess it has Restalk, its only way to heal without Wishes or giving up Eviolite (Which it shouldn't do, ever)
  3. sickweare

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    Out of curiosity, am I missing something in that you give it an adamant nature and no EVs in attack?
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    Yes, but is there any reason to use it when even Icicle Crash hits Ghosts harder?

    This thing has a few other options that can be considered, such as Curse, Endeavor + Focus Sash thing in Hail to kill stuff, Dual Screens (which for some ungodly reason it is capable of learning), Rain Dance, Toxic, and Roar. OO is looking pretty small at the moment, and these are all pretty good options.

    imo the set should move the 252 Def EVs to Attack, because this thing can hit really hard with those moves. You are already Adamant, so why not?
  5. Hot N Cold

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    Add Roar like another option if you're running Spikes mainly or just to keep-out dangerous mons to prevent set up. And Offensive set CB / LO on OO.
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    Checks and Counters needs to be beefed up a bit

    - Qwilfish, Moltres, Fighting-types, Crawdaunt, Tangrowth, Rotom-C all make really good checks, though they all can have trouble actually switching in
    - Defensive Cryogonal stalls out Pilo lacking SR to hell and back and spins away SR.

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    QC approved 2/3
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    Kay thanks for the checks Oglemi and Molk. I'll be sure to get this written up ASAP.
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    This is ready for the 3rd QC check.
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    [Overview]
    • Remove "from both sides of the spectrum." - "The word "spectrum" should never be used to describe the difference between physical and special offensive and defensive stats"

    [Tank]
    • Remove "Stealth Rock is the crux of this set." - "Avoid using "crux" in your analysis unless you know what you are doing" (don't use it anyways lol)
    • Piloswine also does not need Stealth Rock to be good.
    • Mention that if Piloswine does not need Stealth Rock, then Stone Edge should replace it.
    • Replace Klinklang and Mesprit with more common / threatening offensive teammates. Lilligant and Rotom-C are good examples since they take out bulky Water-types. Rotom-C can also Volt Switch out of something that may use an Ice attack.

    [Other Options]
    • Piloswine cannot break through Poliwrath even with Toxic, so replace that example with Uxie or something.

    [Checks and Counters]
    • Slowking and Escavalier are solid checks
    • "Moltres can come in on most Piloswine that lack Earthquake" - Stone Edge*

    Nice job:

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    Okay. Now GP, have at.
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    REMOVE CHANGE COMMENTS

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    Overview]

    <p>Despite its NFE status, Piloswine holds a strong niche in RU as a great tank. Thanks to Eviolite, Piloswine's decent 100 / 80 / 60 defenses reach formidable levels, allowing it to take many hits both physically and specially. Piloswine is no slouch offensively either, as it has a solid 100 Attack and great Ground / Ice coverage to back it up. Thick Fat is a big boon for Piloswine as well, as it neuters its Fire weakness and grants it an Ice resistance. This makes Piloswine a solid check to the ever-popular hail teams. However, Piloswine has its flaws. Its typing, while it grants some decent resistances, gives it many weaknesses to common attacking types such as Water, Grass, and Fighting. Secondly, Piloswine is extremely slow, meaning it is forced to take damage before it reacts. Finally, Piloswine lacks any reliable recovery, not even Leftovers, so it will be worn down fairly easily by repeated hits over the course of the match. Despite these flaws, Piloswine is still a solid Pokemon that must be considered when building a team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Icicle Crash / Icicle Spear
    move 4: Ice Shard / Stone Edge
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Piloswine's best bet at working well in RU. With solid bulk, a decent Attack stat, Stealth Rock, and good dual STABs, Piloswine can function as a solid tank that can take strong hits while dishing them out back. While it faces stiff competition from Rhydon, Piloswine stands out with its resistance to Ice, a lack of a Ground weakness, priority, and greater special bulk. Piloswine also checks threats such as Absol and Glaceon rather well. Stealth Rock is a great asset to any team, as and Piloswine does well at setting it up the move with its decent typing and bulk. If that is not needed though, then Stone Edge is an acceptable substitute. Earthquake is obligatory Ground STAB that hits decently hard off of a base 100 Attack stat. Icicle Crash is chosen as Ice STAB with its decent Base Power. Icicle Spear, however, is useful to break Substitutes from Pokemon such as Sceptile, while also providing perfect accuracy. Finally, Ice Shard is chosen as priority to pick off weakened opponents, and it also patches up Piloswine's low Speed stat decently. However, Stone Edge is usable if priority is not needed; it gives Piloswine the edge over Moltres and Cryogonal.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is fairly simple; as it aims to make the most of Piloswine's bulk and decent power. However, a more defensive EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD with an Impish nature can be used to allow Piloswine to take hits better while still hitting decently hard, although the extra bulk is rarely needed. An Adamant nature is chosen to maximize the Attack stat to make the most of Piloswine's offensive options. Thick Fat is a great ability, as this neuters Piloswine's Fire weakness and grants it a resistance to Ice, further complementing Piloswine's tanking abilities.</p>

    <p>Roselia makes a good teammate; it resists the Water- and Grass-type moves that Piloswine despises, while Piloswine resists Ice-type moves. Roselia also can set up Spikes to allow Piloswine to nab more needed KOs. Piloswine lacks any recovery, not even Leftovers, so Wish support is ideal; Clefable and Alomomola are both viable options for this. Misdreavus pairs up well and can absorb Fighting-type attacks aimed at Piloswine while preventing the removal of Stealth Rock; it can also cure Piloswine of status with Heal Bell. Offensive Pokemon that benefit from the Stealth Rock that Piloswine sets up are good teammates; Rotom-C and Lilligant are both good examples, handling bulky Water-types for Piloswine.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Piloswine has some unorthodox options that can be used to some effect. Superpower is a powerful move, but it provides no notable coverage aside from Ferroseed. Toxic is a usable option to wear down defensive Pokemon that it Piloswine is unable to break through, such as Uxie and Cryogonal, but it is more often than not often a waste of a moveslot. Piloswine has access to Curse, meaning it can do act a reasonable job as a powerful and bulky attacker, but Piloswine will rarely find the time to boost, not to mention and its lack of reliable recovery lets it down. Quite ironically, Piloswine has access to Light Screen and Reflect to soften up hits. Endeavor in conjunction with a Focus Sash and Ice Shard can work, but this strategy is nothing more than more often than not a gimmick. Amnesia is a decent option to boost Piloswine's middling Special Defense, but However, this is not a worthwhile investment. Roar is usable for Piloswine to shuffle the opposing team, and this complements Stealth Rock well. Rest and Sleep Talk are Piloswine's only form of recovery, but Piloswine is then strapped for moveslots. Furthermore, the sleep mechanics of the fifth generation make this a bad idea. Finally, Piloswine can go for the offense with either a Life Orb or a Choice Band, but is too slow to make good use of the items.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Although Piloswine's great coverage and bulk make it hard to counter, there are good ways to check it. Sceptile, Rotom-C, and Lilligant cannot come in on Icicle Crash or Ice Shard, but their Grass STAB can make quick work out of Piloswine. Poliwrath is bulky enough to take most of Piloswine's attacks and can retaliate with Scald or Circle Throw. Ludicolo, Feraligatr, Crawdaunt, and Samurott can all check Piloswine decently, although the latter three must be wary of coming in on Earthquake. Defensive variants of Cryogonal can stall Piloswine with Toxic while spinning away Stealth Rock. Escavalier and Slowking both have enough bulk to take hits from Piloswine and can retaliate with Iron Head or Surf. Moltres can come in on most Piloswine that lack Stone Edge and can use its power to make quick work out of Piloswine it. Durant, Gallade, and Hitmonlee all hit Piloswine super effectively, but must be wary of coming in on Piloswine's attacks.</p>


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    Implemented, thanks.
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    GP check. Good job on writing this.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Despite its NFE status, Piloswine holds a strong niche in RU as a great tank. Thanks to Eviolite, Piloswine's decent 100 / 80 / 60 defenses reach formidable levels, allowing it to take many hits. Piloswine is no slouch offensively either, as it has a solid base 100 Attack and great Ground / Ice coverage to back it up. Thick Fat is a big boon for Piloswine as well, as it neuters its Fire weakness and grants it an Ice resistance. This makes Piloswine a solid check to the ever-popular hail teams. However, Piloswine has its flaws. Its typing, while it grants granting some decent resistances, gives it many weaknesses to common attacking types such as Water, Grass, and Fighting. Secondly, Piloswine is extremely slow, meaning it is forced to take damage before it reacts. Finally, Piloswine lacks any reliable recovery, not even Leftovers, so it will be worn down fairly easily by repeated hits over the course of the match. Despite these flaws, Piloswine is still a solid Pokemon.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Icicle Crash / Icicle Spear
    move 4: Ice Shard / Stone Edge
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Piloswine's best bet at working well in RU. With solid bulk, a decent Attack stat, Stealth Rock, and good dual STABs, Piloswine can function as a solid tank that can take strong hits while dishing them out. While it faces stiff competition from Rhydon, Piloswine stands out with its resistance to Ice, a lack of a Ground weakness, priority, and greater special bulk. Piloswine also checks threats such as Absol and Glaceon rather well. Stealth Rock is a great asset to any team, and Piloswine does well at setting it up with its decent typing and bulk. If that is not needed, then Stone Edge is an acceptable substitute (I noticed that Stone Edge isn't actually slashed with Stealth Rock, so while I'm not going to say you have to, I'd suggest maybe moving this sentence to Additional Comments if you can fit it in somewhere). Earthquake is provides an obligatory Ground STAB that and hits decently hard off of a Piloswine's base 100 Attack stat. Icicle Crash is chosen as the primary Ice STAB with due to its decent Base Power. Icicle Spear, however, is useful to break Substitutes from Pokemon such as Sceptile, while also providing and also provides perfect accuracy. Finally, Ice Shard is chosen as priority to pick off weakened opponents, and it also patches up Piloswine's low Speed stat decently. However, Stone Edge is usable if priority is not needed; it gives Piloswine the edge over Moltres and Cryogonal.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is fairly simple; it aims to make the most of Piloswine's bulk and decent power. However, a more defensive EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD with an Impish nature can be used to allow Piloswine to take hits better while still hitting decently hard, although the extra bulk is rarely needed. An Adamant nature is chosen to maximize Attack to make the most of Piloswine's offensive options. Thick Fat is a great ability, as this it neuters Piloswine's Fire weakness and grants it a resistance to Ice, further complementing Piloswine's its tanking abilities.</p>

    <p>Roselia makes a good teammate; it resists the Water- and Grass-type moves that Piloswine despises, while Piloswine resists Ice-type moves. Roselia also can set up Spikes to allow Piloswine to nab more needed KOs. Piloswine lacks any has no recovery, not even Leftovers, so Wish support is ideal; Clefable and Alomomola are both viable options. Misdreavus pairs up well and can absorb Fighting-type attacks aimed at Piloswine while preventing the removal of Stealth Rock; it can also cure Piloswine of status with Heal Bell. Offensive Pokemon that benefit from the Stealth Rock that Piloswine sets up are good teammates; Rotom-C and Lilligant are both good examples, handling bulky Water-types for Piloswine.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Piloswine has some unorthodox options that can be used to some effect. Superpower is a powerful move, but it provides no notable coverage aside from Ferroseed. Toxic is a usable option to wear down defensive Pokemon that Piloswine is unable to break through, such as Uxie and Cryogonal, but it is more often than not a waste of a moveslot. Piloswine has access to Curse, meaning it can act as a powerful and bulky attacker, but Piloswine it will rarely find the time to boost, and its lack of reliable recovery really lets it down. Quite ironically, (I don't really understand the irony here, but you can leave this or a rephrasing of your choice in if there's something I'm missing) Piloswine has access to Light Screen and Reflect to soften up hits. Endeavor in conjunction with a Focus Sash and Ice Shard can work, but this strategy is nothing more than a gimmick. Amnesia is a decent option to boost Piloswine's middling Special Defense, but this is generally not a worthwhile investment overall. Roar is usable for Piloswine to shuffle the opposing team, and this complements Stealth Rock well. Rest and Sleep Talk are Piloswine's only form of recovery, but Piloswine is then strapped for moveslots. Furthermore, the sleep mechanics of the fifth generation make this a bad idea. Finally, Piloswine can go for the offense more on the offensive with either a Life Orb or a Choice Band, but is too slow to make good use of the these items.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Although Piloswine's great coverage and bulk make it hard to counter, there are several good ways to check it. Sceptile, Rotom-C, and Lilligant cannot come in on Icicle Crash or Ice Shard, but their Grass STAB can make quick work out of Piloswine. Poliwrath is bulky enough to take most of Piloswine's attacks and can retaliate with Scald or Circle Throw. Ludicolo, Feraligatr, Crawdaunt, and Samurott can all check Piloswine decently, although the latter three must be wary of coming in on Earthquake. Defensive variants of Cryogonal can stall Piloswine with Toxic while spinning away Stealth Rock. Escavalier and Slowking both have enough bulk to take hits from Piloswine and can retaliate with Iron Head or Surf. Moltres can come in on most Piloswine that lack Stone Edge and can use its power to make quick work out of Piloswine them with its power. Durant, Gallade, and Hitmonlee all hit Piloswine super effectively, (remove comma) but must be wary of coming in on Piloswine's its attacks.</p>


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    Thanks melvni for that check. This is now done.
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