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Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records

Discussion in 'Smogon's Greatest Hits' started by Peterko, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. Peterko

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    the kind that plays two streaks simultaneously on two DS lites and considers buying a third lite to make it a threesome?

    I mean the kind that starts to play those two streaks before checking the movesets on his pokémon and losing one of those streaks to a PI at 54 because his registeel has curse,amnesia,superpower,ancientpower and garchomp is SD-less on both games?

    I hope not :)


    EDIT: updated the list



    EDIT 2: lol remember this? http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2200851&postcount=1064

    #108 vs Jogger Austin

    687, Golduck 3, Adamant, Scope Lens, 187, 147, 98, 103, 100, 105, Aqua Tail, Cross Chop, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, HP/Attk

    trick, ice punch
    ice punch CH KO
    Steel
    ice punch CH, sub
    curse->amnesia->sub, another CH somewhere in between
    2xiron head KO
    Steel full HP, behind a sub

    630, Blaziken 3, Adamant, Passho Berry, 155, 189, 90, 117, 90, 132, Blaze Kick, Earthquake, Shadow Claw, Stone Edge, Attk/Speed

    blaze kick, iron head 80%
    blaze kick sub broke, iron head KO

    636, Marowak 3, Adamant, Thick Club, 135, 145, 162, 63, 100, 65, Earthquake, Giga Impact, Outrage, Fire Punch, Attk/Def

    earthquake CH OHKO
    Chomp
    outrage, outrage KO

    yep should´ve tried to sub til confusion for a greater chance to win than I had when straight attacking (zero)...but basically I have to set up chomp against this set3 trainer whenever possible, overall lost three times against the type lol

    similar to how it is wiser to set up steel against ice trainers instead of chomp (if possible), because snow hide really sucks (ex. yesterday was forced to set up chomp on aboma, then missed last poké glaceon twice in a row but steel won)

    hgss frontier feels like it hacks even more than plat. did, at least for me lol
  2. musicmeister

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    Yeah, probably bad luck. I guess I still need to learn how to use Uxie effectively. ^__^

    Anyways, good luck reaching 1,000 wins.

    261 Battle Tower Singles streak

    Using the same team, I lost on my 261st match last night... again, from Glalie@Lax Incense with sheer cold. But this time from lead Abomasnow. ~_~ I was able to setup Registeel and take out Abomasnow without any problem. Then Glalie was the next pokemon. (I was like, WTF! You again??!!). I missed hitting Glalie with iron head from my Registeel. Next turn, my sub broke from Glalie's sheer cold (as usual) thus having a chance of taking out Registeel on the next turn. As predicted, my Registeel was hit with sheer cold (talk about hax... sheer cold hit twice in a row -__-). My Latias and Garchomp easily died from Blizzard cause hale was still active. :(

    I'm gonna take a break and try again soon. I hope I reach 300 wins the next time I try.
  3. Sixfortyfive

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    So I'm working my way up the Double Battle Tower with a hail/ice team at the moment and am curious to know if anyone would be up for a mono-type BT challenge.
  4. VaporeonIce

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    Sixfortyfive, I probably would've made the same move; Latios may not be ideal, but it's fast, and it could've nabbed a KO against your opponent's third if Heatran fainted. I find that Heatran is extremely unreliable in the Factory (I just lost a streak of 28 with a Heatran on my team, because it's too damn slow to do anything), so I feel like it's better to keep Heatran in and risk to Quick Claw KO than it is to switch to Latios and not have anything to score a little bit of extra damage once Heatran faints. It was just bad hax, and it happens a lot in the Factory (such as the previously-mentioned streak of 28, where Sceptile hit my 6x Double Teamed Cresselia three times in a row, scoring a Crunch defense drop on the first hit).

    And musicmeister, I feel like that Glalie's Lax Incense makes you hit about 20% of the time. I lost my best Factory run because Tyranitar's Crunch missed it twice in a row. Lax Incense + 2 consecutive Sheer Cold hits is pretty bad, though (less than half a percent chance).
  5. Tombstoner

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    Hey guys! This is my first post, and since I've been lurking on here viewing warstories and this thread for a few months now, I decided I'd join.
    Just kidding. Main reason was that I couldn't find anywhere else to get my Battle Tower team looked at before I RNG it.
    I used to use Cresselia, Scizor/Registeel/Gyarados, and Garchomp/Latios, and got pitiful streaks, even after becoming more adept with the teams I put together. I don't even know why I kept trying, but luckily, I did reach 101 once.
    I hope to change my success rate, though, with a new team. I only need help with choosing movesets from certain choices at this point:
    Slot 1:
    Either
    [​IMG] @ Choice Scarf ** Bartender
    IVs: 31/x/31/x/31/31
    EVs: 252 HP, 4 Def, 252 Spe
    Nature: Bold
    - Trick
    - Thunder Wave
    - Charm
    - Flash

    or
    [​IMG]@ Choice Scarf ** Bartender
    IVs: 31/x/31/x/31/31
    EVs: 252 HP, 4 Def, 252 Spe
    Nature: Bold
    - Trick
    - Thunder Wave
    - Charm
    - Flash

    The two best leads known to exist. Neither of them draw Ground moves (good for Drapion,) and both can draw Dark and Ghost (again good for Drapion.) Whether I want better defenses or Ice weakness depends on the third member.
    Nickname: Bartender as in a guy that prepares and serves drinks at a bar. You'll see.

    Slot 2:
    [​IMG] @ Black Sludge ** Red Rum
    Ability: Battle Armor
    IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31
    EVs: 252 HP, 56 Def, 196 SpD, 4 Spe
    Nature: Careful
    - Crunch
    - Acupressure
    - Substitute
    - Rest

    The god of the Battle Tower, as proven by Jumpman. Didn't use him before because spamming Acupressure makes for very long battles. His type goes well with both Mesprit and Latias, so he's the member that's definitely going to be staying.
    Nickname: He's red, and he murders things.

    Slot 3:
    Either
    [​IMG] @ Lum Berry ** Blue Rum
    IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31
    EVs: 252 Atk, 4 Def, 252 Spe
    Nature: Jolly
    - Earthquake
    - Outrage
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance

    A faster option to send in against locked 5 PP moves. 31 IVs and 0 EVs at Lv.50 gives it odd HP for four Substitutes at maximum.
    Nickname: Like Red Rum, but he's blue.

    or
    [​IMG] @ Leftovers ** Gray Rum
    Ability: Sturdy
    IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def
    Nature: Adamant
    - Steel Wing
    - Aerial Ace
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance

    Now, before you all go crazy on me for considering this, let me simply tell you why he's up for consideration. While Garchomp gives Fire and Electric resistances, Skarmory's Steel typing gives it many resistances, as well as a Poison immunity (Ground too, though the opponent should never be locked into those.) Steel Wing and Aerial Ace help deal with the Mold Breakers (Rampardos and Pinsir.) However, the main reason I chose this was that it had Sturdy, along with decent enough Attack and Defense to run for Garchomp's position. OHKO users would be the team's main threat, as Choice Scarf allows them to potentially sweep the team (happened to my old team with a Lapras once before even reaching 49.) Sturdy eliminates that weakness. You know another weakness that's destroyed my team before? BrightPowder and Lax Incense. Aerial Ace takes care of that, though, assuming any evasion abusers manage to beat Red Rum. It would also add originality.
    Nickname: Like Red Rum, but gray. I know Silver Rum exists, but that wouldn't fit.

    What do you guys think? I'll be back from a vacation and able to use multiple DS's my the end of the week, so I'd love to have suggestions by then. And no, I don't drink rum. I'm not even old enough to, and even if I was, I'm not sure I would.
  6. Gertle627

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    Some people just prefer to lurk tho. I've been on ign for almost 8 years and have just over 5,000 posts, with the vast majority of those coming in the community thread. I like to come here to read and learn, since I feel like you guys are way better than I'll ever be. And I think it's cool to see my name on the list right up there with some of yours.

    I know my record wasn't questioned; I'm just sticking up for fellow lurkers, lol. It is a tough problem to solve though, figuring out what's legit and what isn't.

    On an unrelated note, what is it that makes the HG/SS BT so much easier than DPP? The numbers are so much higher.
  7. Sixfortyfive

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    - People have a better grasp on what works against the AI and what doesn't now.
    - Slightly less AI evasion/OHKO usage in Pt/HGSS than DP.
    - New move tutors probably count for something.
  8. Chinese Dood

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    Also the screen load times are much faster in HG/SS/Platinum, so it's faster to get a higher streak, so that's more incentive to play that more compared to Diamond/Pearl.
  9. UPPERDECKER

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    Reached 180 wins on SS BT singles using this team:

    Mesprit - trick/tw/flash/charm
    Latios - sub/cm/pulse/rest
    Registeel - curse/amnesia/ironhead/sub

    3 legendaries BT team yay!
    The trio resists every attack thrown at them. I think everybody knows what those two sweepers does especially Registeel, the hardest shit in the tower and Latios is my go to guy with status leads.

    I quickly lost to Gliscor3 who raped my team with 4 (thanks Peterko) straight guillotines after Trick.
    I'd do a proper write up once I break 300 at least.
  10. Mye

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    My azelf beat the battle hall on ss, so I thought I'd report it:

    Azelf@Focus sash
    Modest/Levitate
    252sp.atk/252speed/4atk
    -Psychic
    -Thunderbolt
    -Flamethrower
    -Shadow ball

    For the dark part of it, I'd sub in U-turn for shadow ball, just to get quicker KOs.
  11. VaporeonIce

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    Nice work, Mye. If Azelf's physical movepool weren't so damn bad, I'd think it could actually get a great streak in the Hall, but as is, it's going to get messed up pretty badly by Snorlax, Tyranitar, Umbreon, Scizor (if it plays intelligently) and even Spiritomb. Depending on how much you do with Shadow Ball, the Lati twins with their Salac Berries might not go over so well either.
  12. Bozo

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    ah that sucks, but at least you've unearthed a new way for the AI to cheat! a timely effect spore sleep followed by OHKO madness......

    haha this is true!

    yeah, which makes it difficult (and not completely desirable) to set some kind of minimum-experience requirement. however, the fact that you answered questions meant we could estimate whether we thought you were legit or not.

    you are awesome :pirate:

    are you skipping something? or did you really KO the thing without fully setting registeel up? if so... why?!?!

    lol!!

    looks like a solid team either way, although i'd probably suggest you go with the mesprit lead as tricking their lead on dragon/ice attacks would not be ideal for any of your backup pokes. for the third, i want to say skarmory, just so your team can be a little different....

    i have a lot of respect for the genuine lurkers who have real records etc. you sound intelligent, and doubtless are keen to defend your streak, so if anyone asks "what would you do if .....?" then you could probably answer, and we'd believe you.





    as for me, how awesome does this sound:

    mwahahahahaha........

    click:
    [​IMG]
    (105 wins with standard trick latias + acupressure registeel + nasty plot latios)

    seriously, if a +6/+6/+6/+6/+6/+6/+6 registeel doesn't scare you, then nothing will. the above video is about as close to pokemon-porn as you will ever get (i hope).
  13. Tombstoner

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    That video was better than porn. I really want to do that glitch now. I might want to come up with a separate team created with that glitch (not posting the records here of course.)

    Anyway, Bozo, thanks for OK'ing my team! I expect that by the end of the summer, Team Rum will be spreading all over the Battle Tower, bringing down even Youngsters and Lasses! This will be an illegal alcohol operation nobody will be able to stop!

    Aaaaanyway. I might post my glitched team idea later.
  14. ashez

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    Anyone still messing around with that curse lapras idea? I got one in battle factory with ice shard, curse, avalanche,aqua tail and it was a complete machine, while I got to use it.

    Just wondered if it actually worked in tower or just good on paper
  15. Mye

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    Lol...well...my azelf's hall streak ended at 226. Blissey came in, t'waved azelf before finally finishing'm off w/ 2 ice beams....booooo...
  16. Human

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    Right now I am using the all too famous Drapula II team. I am on a streak of 70 right now. Special thanks to COKTAL for giving me this Battle Tower Team!
    In battle 70 there was a Piloswine and Gligar, that was weird...

    EDIT: Currently on Battle 91 setting up Acupressure with Drapion against 739 Crobat locked into Dark Pulse, after almost losing to Gengar getting the SpD drops with Shadow Ball just two-three battles ago I decided to use Snapper's Battle Frontier Pokemon Search. Garchomp is a beast, saved my ass against that Gengar team once I PP stalled it to death, which in hindsight was stupid seeing I could have just used Night Slash.
  17. DrDimentio

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    Edit: Moved the contents of my somewhat large post to my next post...
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    True, but it is famous for how it can perform well, also I have practically no experience in the Battle Tower so something that appears quite basic, Trick and set up is going to make it easier for me.
  19. DrDimentio

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    Trick teams aren't as simple as they seem; you have to learn from many mistakes that you'll have to get around things in a much different way than you would with a 'normal' team. Also, Jumpman's team is one of the most difficult Trick teams to use... probably not the best one to start off with.

    No, rather the kind that is completely failing school due to my inability to focus on anything other than revenge, i.e. a 1000+ streak. I can't multitask since I'm not a girl (not saying you are...)

    I haven't ever gone in with the wrong movesets, but I once went in without a Lum Berry (ooh, scary), and once accidentally left animations on when trying out Drapion. That took a while.

    I agree... I've lost yet another streak, this time at 122... although I learned something very important about how to avoid a repeat of the only-slightly-haxy situation. I think it's something you must've done to get your streak, Peterko. However, I won't mention it here since I don't want to increase the chance of other Tower competitors getting past my record.

    There's a very simple way to avoid that happening again... also, 2 hits in a row from a OHKO move has a 1 in 11 chance of happening - you can't really expect the Tower to be merciful with odds that high.

    I'd be interested to hear how Peterko evaded Effect Spore hax in his streak... you only have a maximum of 16 Subs to stall out Breloom's super-effective moves, and he sometimes does stupid things like Leech Seed or Spore on your Sub to waste your PP when you select it again. I try to avoid attacking him directly whenever possible, but it isn't easy.

    I suppose that is somewhat frightening. I'm afraid you can get much closer to it than in that video...

    I highly doubt Cresselia is to blame for getting pitiful streaks, unless you used an ineffective moveset... I got to 646 with Cresselia as my lead, thus proving her worth.

    Now there's a controversial thing to say... what makes you so sure they're the best? Is it because they were used by Jumpman and Peterko respectively to achieve their 2360+ streaks? I made this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS9hC7THYN8 to prove that even when using exact replicas of Jumpman's Mesprit and Drapion, you're completely helpless against severe hax... it was really a miracle that either of them got so far. I hope I don't sound like I'm putting you off or anything... just reminding you that all leads are vulnerable to hax.



    I think you're trying to overspecialise against hax here - while it is the leading causes of streaks ending, I think this team sacrifices something possibly more important, just to better handle hax. You're welcome to try this and see how far you get though... it would be interesting. Also, nice nicknames you chose.

    That Skarmory reminds of that ninja012013 or whatever the number was - that user who claimed to have a 800+ streak with a similar set.

    Once again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS9hC7THYN8 It may have got Jumpman to 2364+, but that doesn't mean it's flawless.
  20. Human

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    As I said I have just begun and I have no real experience at the Battle Tower. To be more specific I just lost to a Yanmega. I tried Tricking it which was my first mistake when I should have tried using either Flash or Thunder Wave, I got so used to trying Trick right away.

    Well, I am going to try again, this time with a team I would be more comfortable with, I am definitely going to try Garchomp again as it quite fun, seeing I never got to use him in OU its fun to see how it can set up a sub Swords Dance and sweep! I have seen how Drapion can get Acupressure easily if you support it well enough, but I have no where near enough experience at the Battle Tower to count on Drapion. I did like Mesprit though, but looking around Uxie seems to be just as helpful and as if it will be easier to use than Mesprit (correct me if I am wrong, seriously) seeing I do not know how to use Mesprit well enough yet and the bulk, speed, access to Memento make it seem like it will be a superior choice for someone with less experience. I have seen some videos about how Registeel was used and its bulk does seem enticing, but once again it seems like something that can be much more useful once you know how to set it up.

    I did like using the Trick Lead though and the majority of the people have been using one and the best way to learn it seems to be by trying and failing.

    So I am considering using Uxie Trick Lead which I have begun reading a little on from here, and using the standard Garchomp. I have no clue about the final pokemon though so I'll just look at the type coverage and hopefully decide later.
  21. Peterko

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    curse->amnesia->sub meant I fully set up...I admit I could´ve written 6xcurse->3xamnesia->sub but I thought it was clear, there´s no reason not to fully set up :o
    the point was wak´s quake CH penetrated my +6def :(

    you meant 4 straight guillotines, right? obviously 3 won´t get the job done if you trick...

    I´m fairly certain you don´t expect to be added in the next update with just that...(I read the first post as well)

    lol last-post-on-page-syndrome

    oh wait don´t tell me you´re still failing school...I thought that happened in the past (like last year)...dude learn to divide your time so that you don´t neglect the more important stuff in your life, we all have school/job/family stuff that goes (should) come first or at least before pogeymanz (at least most of the time), that doesn´t make us any less tower-crazy

    also for obvious reasons, I won´t post that I also invest/waste a lot of "that time" in/for pkmn :)

    animations are a pain, but I always swich them off like 5 minutes into the game, they´re real time-wasters...lol then I was like whoa energy ball coolest attack in the game when I switched them on for some reason

    scary, cryptic "D" lol...really no clue what you´re talking about

    only-slightly-haxy situation can be whatever, a simple CH, a freeze or a series of guillotines :/ oh wait the last one killed me

    you that scared? it´s like one bit of info could grant you a 700 just like that

    don´t remember any particular case, sorry...50% it is effect spore and not poison heal, 30% to work, can´t be poisoned, so either para or sleep (dunno how the probabilities are affected if you can´t be poisoned for ex.)...that´s much less of a problem than steel burning its head on a magmortar :/

    basically safe sub (the first one)...

    371, Breloom 1, Impish, Focus Sash, 135, 182, 145, 72, 80, 90, Seed Bomb, Sky Uppercut, Rock Slide, Counter, Attk/Def
    -> uppercut doesn´t break sub, so after safe sub I´d sub again and then probably attack...what else is there, hope you don´t fall asleep on the second iron head

    507, Breloom 2, Brave, Big Root, 135, 200, 100, 112, 80, 81, Drain Punch, Giga Drain, Synthesis, Leech Seed, Attk/Sp.Attk
    -> lol you only need 2 subs to stall this by spamming amnesia...then you can sweep with garchomp...depending on how scared you´re of losing, you might as well attack sooner than later

    643, Breloom 3, Adamant, Toxic Orb, 135, 200, 132, 72, 80, 90, DynamicPunch, ThunderPunch, Stone Edge, Facade, Attk/Def
    -> here you know after safe subs whether it has effect spore...facade does 7-9 damage which is laughable and DP doesn´t break my sub...I don´t know how long I could take not attacking this haha

    779, Breloom 4, Adamant, Shell Bell, 135, 200, 132, 72, 80, 90, Focus Punch, Seed Bomb, Giga Impact, Spore, Attk/Def
    -> I´d probably attack this, maybe it would spam spore for the sake of it as they often do (recently stuff uses status against sub quite often and doesn´t stop)

    oh, and

    I also have a big problem with multitasking, I can only focus on one thing...on paper it should be fairly easy to just mass click set up moves, but IRL it´s not easy for me to play on 2 lites, I´ll see how it goes next time...last time my biggest problems where incomplete movesets though haha


    EDIT: here are those pokémon that one should consider not tricking with latias
    CHARM :
    - Absol, Honchkrow - super luck night slash CH whoring...absol has a CH and CB set, I have tricked Honch so far I think...I lost to absol+gastro once so I´m a bit biased here, CHs simply suck booo drapion
    - Aerodactyl - maybe it will go for a stone edge spam, this is trickable, I guess
    - Dragonite, Salamence - outragers, CHs hit even steel hard...unless CB draggy CHs turn 1 I get in 2 charms, which is better than a simple trick (102 attack vs 204 attack), yep CB CH hurts like hell...salamence is dangerous because of lum on outrage, but I had bad luck with this so I tried to work my way around it with charm...yeah special moveset is tricky :)...there could be garchomp here, dunno but I personally prefer to trick chomp huh, maybe because of earth power and set1 sandstorm spam??? also because the former two are part flying and occur much more frequently than chomp shows its butt
    - Rampardos - head smash, scarf &/or LO sucks, what a bitch
    - Staraptor - CB brave bird ouch, 2-3 charms have proven to be more effective in the long run than tricking
    - Heracross - hmm strongest megahorn maybe? trickable but you can work around this with charm as well
    - Gastrodon, Muk - sticky hold, gastrodemon4 is certainly not an easy foe
    - Rapidash - wanna get horn drilled in 3? I certainly risked that once or twice hahaha oops ._.
    THUNDER WAVE:
    - Yanmega - tinted lens hurt steel and it´s better to amnesia before it hits you
    - Zapdos - one knows u-turn and uses it
    - Kingler - teh killa

    other mentionable pokémon:
    Infernape 1 fake out + u-turn you know the set so even if you trick turn1 don´t trick turn2, on the other hand that one is stupid and uses scarf FO most of the time when it gets back in...
    Gliscor - you can´t trick unless you have a strategy to survive consecutive guillotines like my team version 3 has
    ...
  22. ashez

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    Ahh lost again on battle 53 in the tower this time my own fault stupidly tricked a scarf to gengar! :(

    Anyone c any problems with my team? Its

    Standard ev'd trickgross
    Trick
    Scary face
    Meteor mash
    Flash

    Standard ev'd gyarados-lum berry
    Waterfall
    Sub
    Dd
    Outrage

    And jumps drapion

    Team is covered by moves gross should be taking but team always fails in the 7 after thorton last 3 times! Just want the print for now lol

    If any advice can be given would be great but for now better get starmie,chomp,skarm out n race back up lol
  23. Blome

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    I'm Currently on Streak 119. Making me Second to Last to Battle Tower (HG/SS) Single.
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    oh yeah i forgot to mention your nicknames were kinda funny. although i'm more of a scotch man myself.

    looking forward to getting some decent amount of time to read the last 4-5 pages of awesome posts. good to see some old timers getting back into it.
  25. DrDimentio

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    Wait, how do you know all that!? The idea is to put myself out of my misery (of having such a low Tower record compared to the top 3) as soon as possible so I can rest in peace. I plan to never go near the 4th-gen Frontier again once I break 1000. It's annoying to think that if I could just put together all my separate small streaks, I'd be over 1300 by now... at least I'm slightly relieved now that the 3 streaks above mine are all legitimate.

    Same, but I had them on to film a recorded battle... and I'm often forgetful.

    Peterko became confused! The foe's Peterko is confused...

    It was just a Quick Claw activation which led to a KO on my low HP, non-Subbed Salamence... the enemy was also able to kill Registeel with a different type of minor hax. However, the reason I lost was because of what I did which led to Salamence losing its Sub before it KOed the 2nd foe. I know I'm being cryptic/vague again, but that's all you need to know.

    I have been more paranoid ever since Grissom jumped onto the list with little effort. Pokemon is an information game, even in the Tower... I'm going from personal experience: I never would've got near 646 if it hadn't been for reading this thread and picking up useful tips, mainly from three people: Jumpman, Peterko and Bozo (Bozo's posts were useful regarding Salamence). Seeing how you've lost, and the detailed posts you make (the ones with calculations and whatnot) are largely influential in my Tower success. That's why I'm scared to reveal more avoidable ways of losing... although I guess that's not really necessary since you and Jumpman have posted enough helpful info for other readers by now anyway.

    It was a Breloom in the lead position that caused the problem, although I suppose the next time I receive a Toxic Orb I might try Tricking it back to check for poison damage... not sure if that's a good idea though. I don't see how being put to sleep is less of a problem; it allowed Horn Drill Rapidash to freely destroy me (although, I could've been haxed by it even if awake). I very rarely see Magmortar, if so it's usually in the safe situation where I'm doing a Salamence sweep (we all know how setting up Registeel on a Battle Girl isn't the best idea...).

    The first Breloom often spams Counter when I face it, but Focus Sash sucks since you have 2 chances to be haxed.

    I can listen to music and play the Tower! Nice multitasking, right? Sometimes I even read Smogon articles while doing those 2 things. That's skill.


    A team that survives consecutive Guillotines? Sounds... intriguing.

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