Gengar @ Leftovers
Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
- Destiny Bond
- Will-O-Wisp
Mostly happy with his moveset, but Destiny Bond is basically filler and I'd like suggestions for other options. Would having Hypnosis as well as Will-O-Wisp be overkill? Also, should he have Modest over Timid?
Dragonite @ Leftovers
Inner Focus
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spd
Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power Flying
- Focus Punch
Regular Dragon Dancing set, I think. Ideally, it's left until three layers of Spikes are down. It can actually take Skarmory if he Spikes instead of phazing, but it runs into problems with most other Flyers, especially Aerodactyl. Would Salamence fit this role better? Worse defenses, but better Atk...
Zapdos @ Leftovers
Pressure
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power Grass
- Thunderbolt
- Roar
- Substitute
A backup Roarer. I could swap Substitute for Thunder Wave, but I don't think it would be useful for anything except Jolteon, which isn't as common as Blissey. Ideas? And are the EVs okay, or should they be more defensive?
Heracross @ Leftovers
Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Atk / 152 Spd
Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Rock Slide
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Sleep Talk. It's easier to switch in than Dragonite and can take most neutral attacks at least once, but the 1/3 chance that Sleep Talk does nothing always sucks. Brick Break has better hit rate than Rock Slide and STAB, but is it worth it?
Skarmory @ Leftovers
Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 172 Spd
Jolly (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Roar
Not very interesting. It's very predictable, so if anyone has more original ideas which would work with the rest of the team, they would be appreciated.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 96 Atk / 28 Def / 144 Spd
Jolly (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Heal Bell
- Hidden Power Bug
- Leech Seed
- Recover
Bug over Grass is to surprise enemy Celebis, I'd like some opinions on whether this would work in a normal battle or if it's just novelty. Other than that, it's about as interesting as Skarmory.
Counters:
Blissey - Heracross and hope for the best, or Dragonite if he can get a Focus Punch or two in.
Celebi - Heracross again if he's not carrying Psychic, Gengar or Dragonite can deal with him otherwise.
Gengar - Dragonite seems to work, but a lot of them carry Ice Punch which screws him over badly.
Gyarados - Zapdos can normally kill him, and has Roar if he doesn't carry Taunt.
Heracross - Skarmory works nicely. So does Dragonite if Skarmory dies.
Jirachi - Dragonite? I can honestly say I have no idea how to counter this guy.
Metagross - Dragonite's Earthquake, Skarmory or Zapdos with Roar if all else fails.
Milotic - Zapdos would work best.
Raikou - Dragonite KOs with Earthquake barring paralysis, but can't do much about Substitute.
Salamence - Gengar Ice Punch.
Skarmory - Zapdos or Gengar kill him if he doesn't switch out.
Snorlax - Skarmory soaks up his attacks and Heracross can take him out, but it's harder without Brick Break.
Starmie - Zapdos survives one Ice Beam and KOs back, with any luck.
Suicune - Zapdos, but again it can't take more than one Ice Beam.
Swampert - Zapdos. Celebi would be better, but I can't fit Hidden Power Grass onto it.
Tyranitar - Dragonite out-DDs him and Earthquake is a 2HKO without any boosts.
Zapdos - Heracross sort of works if he doesn't have Drill Peck. If he does, Gengar.
Right now, this team really suffers against Choice Banders, Flyers, and stuff that can't be phazed like Ingrained Baton Passers or Curselax as a final poke. Suggestions that might help with these, along with anything mentioned above, are all very welcome. So... bash away!
Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
- Destiny Bond
- Will-O-Wisp
Mostly happy with his moveset, but Destiny Bond is basically filler and I'd like suggestions for other options. Would having Hypnosis as well as Will-O-Wisp be overkill? Also, should he have Modest over Timid?
Dragonite @ Leftovers
Inner Focus
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spd
Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power Flying
- Focus Punch
Regular Dragon Dancing set, I think. Ideally, it's left until three layers of Spikes are down. It can actually take Skarmory if he Spikes instead of phazing, but it runs into problems with most other Flyers, especially Aerodactyl. Would Salamence fit this role better? Worse defenses, but better Atk...
Zapdos @ Leftovers
Pressure
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power Grass
- Thunderbolt
- Roar
- Substitute
A backup Roarer. I could swap Substitute for Thunder Wave, but I don't think it would be useful for anything except Jolteon, which isn't as common as Blissey. Ideas? And are the EVs okay, or should they be more defensive?
Heracross @ Leftovers
Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Atk / 152 Spd
Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Rock Slide
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Sleep Talk. It's easier to switch in than Dragonite and can take most neutral attacks at least once, but the 1/3 chance that Sleep Talk does nothing always sucks. Brick Break has better hit rate than Rock Slide and STAB, but is it worth it?
Skarmory @ Leftovers
Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 172 Spd
Jolly (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Roar
Not very interesting. It's very predictable, so if anyone has more original ideas which would work with the rest of the team, they would be appreciated.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 96 Atk / 28 Def / 144 Spd
Jolly (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Heal Bell
- Hidden Power Bug
- Leech Seed
- Recover
Bug over Grass is to surprise enemy Celebis, I'd like some opinions on whether this would work in a normal battle or if it's just novelty. Other than that, it's about as interesting as Skarmory.
Counters:
Blissey - Heracross and hope for the best, or Dragonite if he can get a Focus Punch or two in.
Celebi - Heracross again if he's not carrying Psychic, Gengar or Dragonite can deal with him otherwise.
Gengar - Dragonite seems to work, but a lot of them carry Ice Punch which screws him over badly.
Gyarados - Zapdos can normally kill him, and has Roar if he doesn't carry Taunt.
Heracross - Skarmory works nicely. So does Dragonite if Skarmory dies.
Jirachi - Dragonite? I can honestly say I have no idea how to counter this guy.
Metagross - Dragonite's Earthquake, Skarmory or Zapdos with Roar if all else fails.
Milotic - Zapdos would work best.
Raikou - Dragonite KOs with Earthquake barring paralysis, but can't do much about Substitute.
Salamence - Gengar Ice Punch.
Skarmory - Zapdos or Gengar kill him if he doesn't switch out.
Snorlax - Skarmory soaks up his attacks and Heracross can take him out, but it's harder without Brick Break.
Starmie - Zapdos survives one Ice Beam and KOs back, with any luck.
Suicune - Zapdos, but again it can't take more than one Ice Beam.
Swampert - Zapdos. Celebi would be better, but I can't fit Hidden Power Grass onto it.
Tyranitar - Dragonite out-DDs him and Earthquake is a 2HKO without any boosts.
Zapdos - Heracross sort of works if he doesn't have Drill Peck. If he does, Gengar.
Right now, this team really suffers against Choice Banders, Flyers, and stuff that can't be phazed like Ingrained Baton Passers or Curselax as a final poke. Suggestions that might help with these, along with anything mentioned above, are all very welcome. So... bash away!