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  1. PeterT

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    Outrage on Growlithe. Very nice addition. That means perfect coverage (or do I miss something?)
  2. shnen

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    not entirely, it's useful to give it a 2hko on things like slowking in RU
  3. EspyOwner

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    Yes.

    You're missing the fact that non-STAB Dragon-typed moves suck. ESPECIALLY Outrage.
  4. Darkmaster77

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    i see through the list that some egg moves become level up moves but not some much, anyone know if there's a vs seeker thing in bw2 cuz i don't really like to train with wild pokes
  5. Rechi

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    Forgive me if this has already been asked but has anyone found Kyurem's new level up moves yet?
  6. Lucario_Guy

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    Decided to make a shortlist of the more notable/interesting level-up movepool changes/additions for those too lazy to search for themselves:

    Arcanine - (Growlithe) Outrage
    Marill/Azumarill - Aqua Tail [more ideal levels, 20 & 21], SUPERPOWER, (Azurill) BOUNCE
    Dunsparce - Drill Run
    Gligar/Gliscor - Sky Uppercut
    Shuckle - SHELL SMASH
    Flygon - (Trapinch) SUPERPOWER
    Vespiquen - (Combee) Bug Buzz
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    But aren't SB formes unable to hold most items? iirc they need to hold a special item to transform, so wouldn't that make utilizing Choice Specs impossible. Although I do agree that Tornadus-SB does have a slight niche, and am interested in testing it.
  8. Magik

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    Oh good ive always wanted to use a physical azumarrill ingame :D
    and cant wait till this reaches USA...
    THE WAIT IS GONNA KILL ME X.X
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    I was under the impression that the Therian formes were activated via a Key Item
  10. Iamlegendshot66

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    I noticed bug buzz on combee and shell smash on shuckle but who cares any way shuckle can't abuse shell smash and combee sucks anyway they aren't game changing.
  11. Tytus

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    They don't hold it, they change the same way Shaymin does.
  12. Darkmaster77

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    the new forms are reverted in wifi battles?? like skymin in DDPt era
  13. Lucario_Guy

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    Same here! Sucks that Azurill doesn't learn Bounce until level 23, though. At least the move relearner is in Driftveil's World Tournament building, so one wouldn't have to wait too long to get Aqua Tail if one chooses to have Azurill learn Bounce instead! :D
  14. Cheapoman

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    Contrary Shuckle says hi. >.>
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    Updated
    Code:
    027 Sandshrew :
    _Lv. 17 : Magnitude
    _Lv. 30 : Dig
    _Lv. 38 : Swords Dance
    _Lv. 46 : Earthquake
    
    
    
    028 Sandslash :
    _Lv. 17 : Magnitude
    _Lv. 30 : Dig
    _Lv. 38 : Swords Dance
    _Lv. 46 : Earthquake
    
    
    
    035 Clefairy :
    _Lv. 40 : Body Slam
    
    
    
    037 Vulpix :
    _Lv. 20 : Faint Attack
    _Lv. 28 : Hex
    
    
    
    041 Zubat :
    _Lv. 23 : Swift
    
    
    
    042 Golbat :
    _Lv. 24 : Swift
    
    
    
    053 Persian :
    _Lv. 28 : Swift
    
    
    
    054 Psyduck :
    _Lv. 32 : Aqua Tail
    
    
    
    055 Golduck :
    _Lv. 32 : Aqua Tail
    
    
    
    058 Growlithe :
    _Lv. 43 : Outrage
    
    
    
    081 Magnemite :
    _Lv. 35 : Flash Cannon
    
    
    
    082 Magneton :
    _Lv. 39 : Flash Cannon
    
    
    
    095 Onix :
    _Lv. 34 : Rock Slide
    _Lv. 43 : Dig
    
    
    
    102 Exeggcute :
    _Lv. 47 : Extrasensory*
    * Lose the ability to learn Psychic by level-up
    
    
    
    114 Tangela :
    _Lv. 36 : Giga Drain
    
    
    
    120 Staryu :
    _Lv. 36 : Brine
    
    
    
    122 Mr.Mime :
    _Lv. 15 : Psywave
    
    
    
    125 Electabuzz :
    _Lv. 19 : Thunder Wave
    
    
    
    126 Magmar :
    _Lv. 19 : Clear Smog
    
    
    
    127 Pinsir :
    _Lv. 33 : Storm Throw
    
    
    
    133 Eevee :
    _Lv. 21 : Covet
    _Lv. 29 : Charm
    _Lv. 37 : Double-Edge
    
    
    
    144 Articuno :
    _Lv. 92 : Hurricane
    
    
    
    145 Zapdos :
    _Lv. 92 : Zap Cannon
    
    
    
    146 Moltres :
    _Lv. 92 : Hurricane
    
    
    
    169 Crobat :
    _Lv. 24 : Swift
    
    
    
    179 Mareep :
    _Lv. 18 : Take Down
    _Lv. 25 : Confuse Ray
    
    
    
    180 Flaaffy :
    _Lv. 20 : Take Down
    _Lv. 29 : Confuse Ray
    
    
    
    181 Ampharos :
    _Lv. 20 : Take Down
    _Lv. 29 : Confuse Ray
    
    
    
    183 Marill :
    _Lv. 1 : Bubble
    _Lv. 5 : Water Sport
    _Lv. 16 : Helping Hand
    _Lv. 37 : Superpower
    
    
    
    184 Azumarill :
    _Lv. 1 : Bubble
    _Lv. 1 : Water Sport
    _Lv. 5 : Water Sport
    _Lv. 16 : Helping Hand
    _Lv. 42 : Superpower
    
    
    
    185 Sudowoodo :
    _Lv. 33 : Counter
    _Lv. 43 : Stone Edge
    
    
    
    191 Sunkern :
    _Lv. 31 : Natural Gift
    _Lv. 34 : Solarbeam
    _Lv. 37 : Double-Edge
    
    
    
    192 Sunflora :
    _Lv. 22 : Giga Drain
    _Lv. 31 : Natural Gift
    _Lv. 37 : Double-Edge
    
    
    
    206 Dunsparce :
    _Lv. 34 : Double-Edge
    _Lv. 40 : Endure
    _Lv. 43 : Drill Run
    
    
    
    207 Gligar :
    _Lv. 45 : Sky Uppercut
    
    
    
    208 Steelix :
    _Lv. 34 : Rock Slide
    _Lv. 43 : Dig
    
    
    
    213 Shuckle :
    _Lv. 23 : Rock Throw
    _Lv. 34 : Shell Smash
    _Lv. 38 : Rock Slide
    _Lv. 49 : Stone Edge
    
    
    
    214 Heracross :
    _Lv. 16 : Chip Away
    
    
    
    215 Sneasel :
    _Lv. 40 : Snatch
    _Lv. 44 : Punishment
    
    
    
    220 Swinub :
    _Lv. 40 : Flail
    
    
    
    221 Piloswine :
    _Lv. 41 : Thrash
    
    
    
    222 Corsola :
    _Lv. 29 : Iron Defense
    _Lv. 35 : Endure
    _Lv. 52 : Flail
    
    
    
    223 Remoraid :
    _Lv. 42 : Hydro Pump
    
    
    
    224 Octillery :
    _Lv. 52 : Hydro Pump
    
    
    
    226 Mantine :
    _Lv. 23 : Wide Guard
    _Lv. 36 : Air Slash
    
    
    
    239 Elekid :
    _Lv. 19 : Thunder Wave
    
    
    
    240 Magby :
    _Lv. 19 : Clear Smog
    
    
    
    278 Wingull :
    _Lv. 33 : Air Cutter
    
    
    
    279 Pelipper :
    _Lv. 34 : Brine
    
    
    
    298 Azurill :
    _Lv. 5 : Water Sport
    _Lv. 13 : Bubblebeam
    _Lv. 16 : Helping Hand
    _Lv. 23 : Bounce
    
    
    
    299 Nosepass :
    _Lv. 18 : Rock Blast
    _Lv. 25 : Spark
    
    
    
    322 Numel :
    _Lv. 29 : Curse
    _Lv. 36 : Yawn
    
    
    
    323 Camerupt :
    _Lv. 29 : Curse
    _Lv. 39 : Yawn
    
    
    
    328 Trapinch :
    _Lv. 13 : Mud-Slap
    _Lv. 17 : Bide
    _Lv. 21 : Bulldoze
    _Lv. 25 : Rock Slide
    _Lv. 67 : Superpower
    
    
    
    329 Vibrava :
    _Lv. 13 : Mud-Slap
    _Lv. 17 : Bide
    _Lv. 21 : Bulldoze
    _Lv. 25 : Rock Slide
    _Lv. 39 : Earth Power
    
    
    
    330 Flygon :
    _Lv. 13 : Mud-Slap
    _Lv. 17 : Bide
    _Lv. 21 : Bulldoze
    _Lv. 25 : Rock Slide
    _Lv. 39 : Earth Power
    
    
    
    333 Swablu :
    _Lv. 18 : Round
    
    
    
    334 Altaria :
    _Lv. 18 : Round
    
    
    
    335 Zangoose :
    _Lv. 26 : Revenge
    
    
    
    336 Seviper :
    _Lv. 34 : Gastro Acid
    
    
    
    337 Lunatone :
    _Lv. 25 : Rock Slide
    _Lv. 41 : Stone Edge
    
    
    
    338 Solrock :
    _Lv. 33 : Psychic
    _Lv. 41 : Stone Edge
    
    
    
    375 Metang :
    _Lv. 26 : Miracle Eye
    
    
    
    376 Metagross :
    _Lv. 26 : Miracle Eye
    
    
    
    415 Combee :
    _Lv. 29 : Bug Buzz
    
    
    
    416 Vespiquen :
    _Lv. 37 : Air Slash
    
    
    
    418 Buizel :
    _Lv. 27 : Double Hit
    _Lv. 45 : Hydro Pump
    
    
    
    419 Floatzel :
    _Lv. 29 : Double Hit
    _Lv. 57 : Hydro Pump
    
    
    
    425 Drifloon :
    _Lv. 40 : Amnesia
    
    
    
    426 Drifblim :
    _Lv. 46 : Amnesia
    
    
    
    436 Bronzor :
    _Lv. 15 : Psywave
    _Lv. 31 : Metal Sound
    
    
    
    437 Bronzong :
    _Lv. 15 : Psywave
    _Lv. 31 : Metal Sound
    
    
    
    451 Skorupi :
    _Lv. 16 : Pursuit
    _Lv. 38 : Night Slash
    
    
    
    452 Drapion :
    _Lv. 16 : Pursuit
    _Lv. 38 : Night Slash
    
    
    
    458 Mantyke :
    _Lv. 23 : Wide Guard
    _Lv. 36 : Air Slash
    
    
    
    461 Weavile :
    _Lv. 35 : Night Slash
    _Lv. 40 : Snatch
    
    
    
    462 Magnezone :
    _Lv. 39 : Flash Cannon
    
    
    
    465 Tangrowth :
    _Lv. 36 : Giga Drain
    
    
    
    466 Electivire :
    _Lv. 19 : Thunder Wave
    
    
    
    467 Magmortar :
    _Lv. 19 : Clear Smog
    
    
    
    472 Gliscor :
    _Lv. 45 : Sky Uppercut
    
    
    
    473 Mamoswine :
    _Lv. 41 : Thrash
    
    
    
    476 Probopass :
    _Lv. 18 : Rock Blast
    _Lv. 25 : Spark
    
    
    
    614 Beartic :
    _Lv. 1 : Aqua Jet
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    Oh my god the new Tornadus is going to be so awesome! It now outspeeds ScarfTar, Starmie, Raikou, Dugtrio and Alakazam, which are all very relevant threats. It also has very good bulk now for a hit and run poke, while the icing in the cake is Regenerator. Specs is going to be more awesome than ever.

    Also check some cool calcs: LO Hidden Power Ice from Virizion to old Tornadus: 69.56 - 82.27%, 56,25% chance to ohko after SR
    ...same vs new Torandus: 62.87 - 74.24%, never a ohko after SR

    Non LO Virizion's SE vs old Tornadus: 76.25 - 90.3%, ohko after SR
    ...same vs new Tornadus: 68.22 - 80.93%, a 43.75% chance to ohko after SR (~35% factoring in SE's accuracy).

    Also the BU set is going to be simply amazing with Roost, Regenerator and awesome speed. Enough speed to outspeed Starmie seems like the best benchmark, and then maximize HP and SpD (80/90 HP/SpD is actually respectable). Non-Scarf Rotom-W comes in to stop you? Simply Roost as he uses Volt Switch and continue to boost!
  18. deluge

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    Superpower Flygon, Hydropump Octillery, are a couple more that stick out. Shuckle is always a bit of a gimmick and Contrary + Shell Smash adds to his bag of tricks.
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    Why are you all ignoring the splendor that is Air Slash Mantyke?!
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    N's smiling, a strange blonde girl (my guess: Another outfit by Elesa) and apparently some zombie movies in Pokewood are the most noticeable things I see. Other than a full confirmation that all Gym Leaders and Champions (but not Elite Four) being in the World Tournament.
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    Are 5 more BP such a significant change? Mantine doesn't really need another HP anyway... Except if you are joking...
  22. Tytus

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    Makes Shell Smash a horrendously worse version of Cosmic Power, I guess?
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    A better Cosmic Power actually, since Shuckle also has the move that works like Pain Split for offenses, so by cutting your offenses you are also cutting your opponent's offenses which means you increase your defenses even more...
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    "Horrendously worse" on every other pokemon, yes. But since Shuckle's offensive stats are non-existant, it's only "slightly worse" in its case.
  25. Iamlegendshot66

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    Shuckle would still be better off running sturdy with defence curl because defence curl doubles rollouts power as well as its defence and shuckle would be able to keep sturdy which is useful on the defensive variant. With power split it is a good offencive and defensive Pokemon. But shell smash might work for toxic stalling With protect and leftovers.

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