>implying spearow sucks bw1 pidove =/= bw2 pidove, getting stab return very early helps pidove's case a lot because he actually gets something decent to use now (and can substitute with frustration for a while). genesect and the therian legends would probably have like their own tier if they were even tiered rofl is b2 petilil really that different than w2 petilil to warrant a tier diff? as far as im seeing it it's just a specially attacking grass type that hits hard. it's amazing, yes, but i'm really on the fence on whether it should be worth a tier diff. doesn't low kick like 2hko patrats or something? elekid's going to be outrunning almost everything earlygame anyway, so getting 2hko'd isn't a bad deal for him if he can 2hko back.