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Pokémon Go (mobile game based off of Ingress)

Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by Karxrida, Sep 10, 2015.

  1. jireh the provider

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    It was glitchy in the Philippines a couple days ago but it resumed ok for the following days when the event started. I got a bunch of Swinubs with a ton of fire types, a pack of ponyta which gave me enough to get my Rapidash, and finaly steadily getting my daily dose of candy to get my Ninetales.
  2. breh

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    l8, but I mean it in the sense that it's best for blissey - I think rock smash dps is mildly higher than mud slap's since it's a faster move and STAB = SE.

    I'm kind of sad that they haven't already closed the gyms; I was looking forward to it, kinda :/

    oh and phalanx I think that some pokemon are just... more prone to running / breaking out than one would imagine. I've had obnoxious stuff like deep green mons + great ball + great + curve break out and run before... maybe the curve didn't register, I guess? infuriating either way

    Also managed to get stuck in LA traffic for so long that I accumulated about 3km. Never again pls
  3. phalanx

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    gyms close on the 19th.... going to miss the 3 red towers with Dragonites on top I can see from my house :(
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    Team Mystic member here. Hopefully the gym revamp won't take too long as that's been my main source of stardust and shop points with at least 10 gyms over the past 4 months.
  5. OM!

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    Agreed, luckily I will have enough coins by tomorrow to get the max package of lucky eggs while on sale before the gyms change.
    They should make Hatches give more stardust, some 2 KM eggs give as low as 400 stardust, so infuriating as catching 4 basic Pokémon yields the same and takes much less time. Make catches yield 300 stardust for basic, 500 for stage 1, and 1,000 for stage 2 similar to 3 candies/5 candies and 10 candies.
    They need to make 10KM eggs more common and coins easier to earn. 100 coins a day still takes almost a week to get the max package of lucky eggs 625 coins...

    Does anyone find the Nanap Berries useful? I would rather use the other 2 berries. It should give you more stardust or exp while slowing them down.
  6. phalanx

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    i'm actually running out of razz berry... wish Ninatic would stop with the potions and revives...
  7. KnightsofCydonia

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    With gyms going down, there'd be no need for potions and revives until gyms were back up. But removing them from the stops without breaking something would probably be hard to do.
  8. Blitzamirin

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    To be fair, that's exactly what Niantic wouldn't want to do.

    I've spent all of the event catching Pokemon. In addition to giving more EXP (more applicable to you guys who need to level), it also gives stardust for the rework. It also depletes the Poke Ball stock, and we fill our bags with Potions / Revives... just in time for the brand new gyms shortly after so we can use that dust and waste those newly acquired healing items. It's a smart move by Niantic.
  9. OM!

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    You don't need fighting moves that are not on fighting Pokémon if you have STAB moves that do neutral damage, except when a fighting move would be 4x effective like vs Tyranitar or your STAB is resisted. Remember SAME TYPE ATTACK BONUS (STAB) +25% damage = Super Effective + 25%. So if your Magmar has a Fire move to hit Blissey it will get the same boost as a Fighting move. Against Tyranitar Fire is resisted so it goes back down to 100%, instead of 125% damage, and since fighting is 4x effective a fighting move gets 156% damage and hits harder.

    I would walk the Eevees until you get a good Vaporeon, if you end up with Flareon or Jolteon it will be okay for hitting things like Flareon on Snorlax and Blissey, and Jolteon for Gyarados and Vaporeon (especially after the Species clause).

    Once you walk the eevees I would walk the Phanphy. You want to build the fastest strongest team possible and by walking Pokémon that require less KM and less candy to evolve, you will be able to take down gyms faster, place Pokémon in them, and then start getting coins and stardust to really power up your Incubator count and Pokémon levels.

    Do dratini last- 5 KM per 1 egg means you need 125 KM to get 25 candy for Dratini to evolve into Dragonair, and then 500 KM to get a Dragonair to a Dragonite (100 candies). Even Gyarados only requires 400 KM to get it from Magicarp to Gyarados since it yields 1 Candy per 1 KM. Obviously I don't know how much candies you have per species especially since you hatched an egg. I would still do the eevees first because if you end up hatching or catching a better Dratini down the line, (I.e. Hatch a Dratini at level 20!, so you won't have to power up as much), then you will have saved your candies for the best one.

    Bulbasaur can probably wait too, Venusaur with Vinewhip and Solar Beam is great for Rhydon and Tyranitar, and Vaporeon, but costs much more candy than Donphan and Vaporeon to evolve. (125 candies including from bulbasaur to ivysaur and then to Venusaur). Think of it this way: Vaporeon already handles Tyranitar and Rhydon, Jolteon can handle Gyarados and opposing Vaporeon, Donphan can handle Dragonite with Play Rough or Rhydon/Tyranitar with Earthquake, and Flareon (Fire Spin, Overheat) can handle Blissey, and Snorlax. Venusaur is a jack of all trades, but since it takes too long, you can already have a Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon and Donphan (25 candies per eevee evolution =75 plus 50 for Phanphy to Donphan = 125). This means you can literally evolve 4 Pokémon in the time it takes to evolve Venusaur or Dragonite.
    * It's usually better to run Eggecutor as your main grass because it resists Rhydon's Earthquake (watch out for Mega Horn), and can hit off a much higher Attack stat, but Venusaur isn't afraid of Bite and Crunch from Tyranitar or Gyarados.

    It's a good timing for you to be grinding now. Regardless of the gym rework, June 19th will allow you you not worry about kicking out other teams since we all get kicked out. What I would do, is when they get the gyms back and running, try and be one of the first people to put Pokémon in it- use your time now to know which gyms are consistent with the team color you have chosen. If you know a specific gym has been your team color for more than 2-3 days, put your Pokémon there, and then you can let your team add their Pokémon to it to make the gym stronger.
    Being there first; knowing your teammates will build up the gym you claim takes out the time and energy needed to prestige up a teammate's gym or take down an enemy gym.
    And who knows? Maybe on their 1 year they will release Gen 3 and change the CP and then suddenly all this talk means nothing.

    I don't agree, if a Pokémon evolutionary line can boost borderline good Pokémon, such as Slowbro and Slowking, then I could see the potential of them giving each other, say 300 CP each. Oftentimes, people forget that the Hitmons are a distant second to the number of Pokémon Eeveelutions, but more than any other split evolutionary line. If Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, and Hitmontop got 300 CP each from their fellow family members I could see the 600 CP boost giving Heracross and Machamp a run for their money.
    For perspective:
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    Best Pokémon by highest Attack stat in Pokémon Go
    Rank
    1

    PokémonAlakazam
    Attack stat271

    2
    PokémonDragonite
    Attack stat263
    3
    PokémonEspeon
    Attack stat261
    3 (Tied)
    PokémonGengar
    Attack stat261
    4


    PokémonTyranitar
    Attack stat251
    5


    PokémonFlareon
    Attack stat246
    6


    PokémonKingler
    Attack stat240
    7
    PokémonPinsir
    Attack stat238
    8
    PokémonGyarados
    Attack stat237
    9
    PokémonScizor
    Attack stat236
    9 (Tied)
    PokémonUrsaring
    Attack stat236

    10
    PokémonHeracross
    Attack stat234
    10 (Tied)
    PokémonMachamp
    Attack stat234
    11
    PokémonExeggutor
    Attack stat233
    12
    PokémonJolteon
    Attack stat232
    12 (tied)
    PokémonKadabra
    Attack stat232
    13
    PokémonArcanine
    Attack stat227
    14
    PokémonHoundoom
    Attack stat224
    14 (Tied)
    PokémonHitmonlee
    Attack stat224

    So Hitmonlee meets the top 14 of all available Pokémon for the Attack stat.
    I don't know if cloning would be recognized to stop people whom make clones in a specific timeframe, similar to sniping Pokémon- they made it harder to accomplish but didn't punish people like me whom stopped in time- we got to keep our perfect Alakazams and Vaporeons, while others who tried to continue got (shadow) banned. If we are sort of grandfathered in, trading may be the same where after a certain cut off people get punished, but if you make it in the grace period then you are safe.
    If you were correct, why wouldn't Niantic just look to see that I have region exclusive Pokémon in my Pokedex, caught the same day as Pokémon in my local area. This would be an easy indicator unless I traveled from the USA to Australia and back all in the same day.
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  10. phalanx

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    I would rather see Poliwrath return to gym viability, Blissey can be beaten by hard hitting things like Overheat Flareon, Solar beam Exeggutor, even Jolteons best moveset can beat it.
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  12. PsychicAcademic

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    Oh good lord....

    First, my home is now situated in stop-starving suburban outskirts, yet with a gym nearby and few more. Now I can take items on stops without going so far and keep my daily streaks again, not bad.

    Now, for the Raid Boss. This is quite horror. I have been playing game solo due to my social anxiety and had been successful on that (one time, I managed to break 8 organised Blisseys at once without losing, thanks to my raised team). But depending on how they distribute the stats, freaking 22k CP Raid Boss sounds like facing a Mega-Rayquaza with bunch of Poochyenas. Nevermind the timer. I think the era of soloists is really over now, after all the contribution I did for my team and gym's metagame health around my area.
    Yeah, I can just snoop into a raid preparation, but....
    And I'll have to raise even more specialists now. Time to raise this second wallbreaker....

    At least I'm used to gambling with RNG, so I can live with not raiding if I have no time to....
    I hope I can also save a lot of Razz. It seems like they use the same berry, so I'll have to really conserve these berries (oh nabbit, I have used a lot in this event alone). And the consequences of raiding is also requiring wisdom and prudence as that means if I read it correctly, all defending Pokemon go home once a raid starts. If defending Pokemon still have the same benefit (coins, dusts), then this could make conflicting playstyle of defending or raiding.
    The system itself seems to be debated now. Some people feared it is time to say goodbye to their prestige trainer squads as they no longer serve any purpose here and now trash 'mon literally has no reason to stay in the box, and Pokemon that is outclassed by others of same type serve no use either. Not that I ever used Ninetails for prestige training (wait, I did long time ago), but now I literally have no reason to keep them.
    And I hope attacking (not raiding) gyms now gets some tangible benefits too. But I doubt it with now defenders cut down to only 6 Pokemon with species clause, making solo attacks much easier assuming the metagame isn't changed....

    Oh, and I see there are even more concerns with spoofers now. Good lord, I hope this won't happen....

    I'll have to hope I can get more Vaporeon. Think they might still remain as great generalist with their bulk, so I may need a lot of them in raids. Heh, a Vaporeon specialist like the first of Eevee's Z-Crystal.
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  13. phalanx

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    6 gym slots and berry feeding.. worst options ever for the 90% not near a load of gyms...
  14. jireh the provider

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    Welp, these upcoming updates will be fun even as a solo player. Glad that I have near 2 gyms. But I'm not that hard of a battler anyway for I still really rely on egg hatching. Also, hooray for no more Mama Blissey Armies. Seriously, these happy single ladies need a break and let others somewhat shine. Though I still expect the top 10 to be there for sure, maybe we might find other interesting mons to place. More importantly, I finally have a reason to save up my Nanab berries.

    Why? Nanabs are the biggest niche berry of the three we currently have. I mean, it makes highly active moving mons less likely to go erratic. I'm looking at those levitating flying type pokemon, swinubs, and many bug types. In my eyes, still VERY niche. Razz for easier catching? Great for mons with super high CP around 600+ CP. Pinap for more candies? Great for pokemon that you rarely encounter or are valuable species in the wild outside of eggs such as the starters, Dratini, Larvitar, Lapras, Snorlax, Sudowoodo, Skarmory, etc. Praise Arceus that the move tutor mechanic is back, just called TMs for fast and charged. Maybe if you are from Team Valor, this new GYM raid is the biggest motivator. Why this team?

    Just basing this on Matthew Patrick's video as to how Team Mystic has the most players in Pokemon Go, in the theory he had using color theory and various topics from psychology and the 16 personality tests, it seems that Team Valor has the most extroverted players versus the other two teams. Simply, even though most gamers are introverts and that all three have both kinds of players, the trainers in red are likely to have gamers that go in gyms like a pack of pyroars due to "most" extrovert gamers having more interpersonal skills with the opposite being more self aware (intrapersonal).

    In my case, I had never done a gym quest with anyone other than myself. So, maybe I'm screwed with these new events?

    But... our lovely espeon here (PsychicAcademic), I like and respect your ... infatuation with our eevee water fish. As a linguist that looks at the popularity and frequency of words, with how long I had been looking at the growth of this app, "Vaporeon" is definitely one of the most fetishized and, unintentionally, sexualized words in this app (Top 20 wise). Not so much for the character, but dear Arceus the amount of times I encountered that one name is already going off the charts. I get the context but ... I just chuckle at just seeng that reality being a thing.
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  15. Blitzamirin

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    Consensus between me and my crew is that gyms are incredibly casualized. There is little incentive in being high level now given you can slot whatever you want. I'm not exactly hyped but raids will likely be great later.

    Fwiw Pokemon Go Gyms will now function like Ingress Gyms. If so, you don't have to visit a gym to feed a mon. Remember, everyone on your team can feed a Pokemon that's on a gym, and you get in-app notifications whenever a gym of yours is attacked or your mon is losing motivation, so realistically it's not so terrible for soloists (it's only terrible in terms of raids). Coins are also dependent on how long a defender of yours stays in a gym...

    So the biggest problem of this system is (seemingly) the huge lack of available slots for players. Spoofers and multi accounters can have 6 accounts and lock out a gym permanently. Just seems like bad news lol
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    Because that's the Pokemon every Pokemon GO player has been waiting to get, willing to pay $20 for: Heracross.

    Seriously though, for the sake of Pokemon GO players, I hope they hold a surprise raid battle for a Legendary Pokemon.
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    I hope they'll at least run this update for a while with pseudos as raid bosses in case there are any bugs. Imagine the reaction if there's a Mewtwo raid (like in the initial trailer before release) but some bug caused it to be unable to be caught.

    I'm not sure about the whole spoof thing, but for Puzzle and Dragons, they have a separate app in Japan called Puzzle and Dragons Radar that you can link to your account on PAD, and it allows you to collect orbs for dungeons and monsters etc. It checks for spoofing apps on your phone before allowing you to run it, so would that not already be a fix for potential spoofers? Or is it also possible to spoof without an additional app?
  18. PsychicAcademic

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    Err what? Well... she has been one of the first Pokémon I first knew and loved since little, so that makes sense for me alone. That she is great in GO is just an added bonus and then again it is really difficult in competitive areas with high CP threshold to even find a spot for them. On that matter, I'm hoping years later Sylveon would also be as good.
    Also, we are still in Gen2. Wait until Gardevoir? or Lopunny comes.

    Well, actually I haven't read what berry will be used for raising motivation. I'm hoping and others has speculated that it'll be any of three berries. This makes a reason to actually keep Nana berry now. I had only used it when I'm down to only few balls to conserve.


    More information. Apparently after raid, the Raid Boss Pokemon can only be caught by the provided Premier Ball, and will flee if one ran out of them. This Ball is provided more for trainer with more contribution to the raid. Not known yet if one can keep excess balls for next raid instead of spending all.
    One thing for sure for me is that I seriously have to organise my bag....

    On defending, Now Pokecoins can only be collected when a 'mon is kicked out. Some people already discuss newer cheats like self-shaving. Oh great, it is also bad news to me unless there are indeed people playing everyday around this desolate mountain (most are concentrated down there in the city, but not here....). I hope they didn't jump into other extreme. Either way, the honeymoon's over. Coins are no longer provided easily by this scene and Free-to-play game seems much less viable, although Stardust seems still obtainable a lot enough with berry feeding. At least I have collected so much coins by strategic placing and discoveries of hidden lands....


    And on legendaries, apparently Niantic will reward those who are very active in gym system with password to have a chance to catch them. Well, a reason to keep destroying gyms around with cool musics like Gladion or Frontier leaders.


    Oh, and Raid Boss looks bigger. This is probably genius as they look like Totem Bosses in trials.


    More information are brought to light. Apparently a single raid happens in an hour and players may participate as many times as possible within that one hour with 5 minutes maximum per battle session. I take back what I said, I can solo them as long as I have enough healing supply.
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  19. OM!

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    Type effectiveness has completely changed, including STAB, and immunities. Gengar lols at Blissey Pound/Hyper Beams, Gyarados is now like 1HKOed by Jolteon's Thunder, and Rhydon will be 1HKOed by Petal Blizzard and Solar Beam. Machamp just got better at... everything (Rhydon/Snorlax/Blissey/Tyranitar), except Dragonite with Hurricane, and now Vaporeon is preferred over Gyarados.

    Snorlax and Blissey will be even better defenders in comparison for lacking double weaknesses and only having a single weakness, which will also pay dividends when Gengar becomes more powerful once the update hits, after all Zen headbutt / Lick + EQ Snorlax will hit it even harder than before while taking much less from STAB Shadow Ball. Now Zen Headbutt Psychic Blissey lol have a niche!
    http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/06/20/pokemon-go-type-effectiveness-change/#3

    Check out the video as well before the article for gameplay.

    I foresee single type or good pairing double types Pokémon like Donphan finally rising above Rhydon, and Machamp being miles better than Heracross who basically fears Flying moves like crazy. Still, there Pokémon like Lapras who have no double weaknesses, but can threaten Rhydon, and Dragonite who do.

    Remember, Rhydon used to threaten Lapras with Rock Smash and Stone Edge, now it cannot afford to even stay in for Water Guns. I predict that Water Gun / Ice Beam will be the new best set for Defending since it can handle Dragonite, Donphan, Rhydon, Tyranitar, etc. If only Tyranitar had a Rock Quick move to threaten Lapras and Dragonite, who can use Steel Wing and Water Gun at powerful damage now.

    Lapras I think will be used for walling itself to protect Dragonite, while the other 5 slots will be Vaporeon, Blissey, Snorlax, Dragonite (good coverage is good coverage), and Donphan (Play Rough and Earthquake will deter Tyranitar, Dragonite, Rhydon, while Counter will hurt Snorlax and Blissey more than before).

    They say, separate article, that you challenge gyms in the order in which they were placed inside a gym, not based on CP, which means you want to ensure that you are not just picking strong Pokémon, but rushing to get your Pokémon in first.
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  20. phalanx

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    just caught a 15/15/14 double water move Lapras, 3rd Lapras of the event :D
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    "With the announcement of Raid Battles and the new battle features, we are staying true on our commitment to ensuring that Pokémon GO continues to be a fun and fair experience for all Trainers. Starting today, Pokémon caught using third-party services that circumvent normal gameplay will appear marked with a slash in the inventory and may not behave as expected. We are humbled by the excitement for all the new features we announced yesterday.This is one small part of our continued commitment to maintaining the integrity of our community and delivering an amazing Pokémon GO experience." -NianticGeorge

    So this is new. Going to be upfront and say this is likely to not affect spoofers at all (to those that believe anything is being done to them) but rather bot accounts and users who use login IV Checkers and the like.

    The biggest advantage this potentially has is heavily limiting those who buy accounts from sites like Selly or eBay, making it much harder for those who are not manually doing everything in their accounts to invest in the (now watered down) gym meta. Bots that might attack gyms might be very limited.
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    What does "may not behave as expected" mean? I'm curious. The sadist in me hopes that it's something like the "insufficient badges" thing in the main games where mons fall asleep, self hit, etc., but in practice I hope they're just banned from use.
  23. OM!

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    So basically, you can spoof to the gyms And pokestops as normal, for items, and depositing Pokémon, just catch Pokémon on your regular app.

    Sounds like my grandfathered Pokémon won't be affected.
    Booya:
    http://imgur.com/a/MwUnM
  24. Blitzamirin

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    We don't know what it is at this point in time (botters aren't reporting slashes at all, so it's likely to not be currently enabled). I presume it's something simple like barred from use like you said.
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    According to Niantic's website:
    https://support.pokemongo.nianticlabs.com/hc/en-us/articles/115009004747
    There are 5 levels of raids with 5 being the hardest. (Tyranitar is level 4, so I assume Legends are level 5) these come from eggs that hatch based on a timer.

    When legendaries and pseudo legendaries like Dragonite are raid Pokémon, they almost all have 1 thing in common: Vulnerability to Tyranitar!

    Think of it:
    Ho-Oh, Lugia, Moltres, Zapdos, Articuno, Entei and Dragonite are all weak to Stone Edge

    Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Celebi are all weak to Crunch

    Raikou's STAB deals neutral damage

    Suicune is literally the only legendary that has an advantage against Tyranitar with its STAB without suffering from Tyranitar's moves.

    *Celebi will be an evenly matched layout with Grass STAB while Tyranitar has Dark STAB- still Tyranitar's Bite is fast and it has a higher CP than Celebi by 400 points!

    If Tyranitar is a raid Pokémon, a Tyranitar of your own with Iron Tail will not only resist Bite, Crunch and Fire Blast, but hit much harder with its quick move thanks to the super effective damage multiplier change listed in my previous article.

    Tyranitar is literally able to even counter itself with the right moveset.

    And at the very least, we know that Gengar is a raid Pokémon, which is also weak to Bite and Crunch.

    Seriously, Tyranitar was made for raids!

    The other thing to consider in Raid battles is you will get to see your hopeful/potential capture's moveset. There will obviously be a hierarchy based on what moves are used, and it also means that raid Pokémon moves, unlike regular captures' moves for players under level 30, won't be randomized.

    Point is: Tyranitar won't need to be a good defender, it will be the ultimate raid Attacker against Legendaries and Pseudo legends for the current generations so far.

    Heck, even in Gen 3: Rayquaza, Latios, Latias, Deoxys-all forms, Jirachi are all weak to Stone Edge or Bite/Crunch. Groudon and Kyogre are able to win, and like Celebi- Jirachi can deal Super Effective STAB versus Tyranitar while also receiving it.

    Plus remember, just like in the old gyms system, you won't know how long it is stuck in a gym, as your own teammates can give it berries, so don't put your strongest in the gym, you will want to save it for fighting in the raids!
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