Pokémon Minus - Street Pokémon with Mimic Glitch Allowed

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  1. SupremeDirt

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    The other day on IRC the idea of an interesting new metagame was brought up. As a number of people, myself included, are interested in actually playing this metagame comes this thread.

    First of all, what is Street Pokémon? Street Pokémon is a metagame with no rules, no clauses, except for one: Mimic glitched movesets are banned. This metagame allows such movesets, meaning you could have say, a Skill Swap Slaking, or Extremespeed Snorlax.

    Copypasted as I'm lazy, here is how the mimic glitch works:

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    -Go to 2vs2 battle
    -Let your Ditto use Transform
    -After transforming, be sure your Mimicker is faster than Ditto and target your Mimic to Transformed Ditto
    -Mimic copies the Transform
    -Target Mimicked Transform into your Ditto
    -On Dittos turn, switch Ditto to Pokémon which moveset do you want to get (Smeargle)
    -After Transforming, kill your Mimicking Pokémon
    -Bring any Pokémon on front and win the match
    -Now your Mimic Pokémon has forgotten all of its previous moves and knows the moves of the Pokémon which you Transformed into.


    Now, this would appear to mean you can have up to 3 moves from Gen 4 or back, no Gen 5 moves.

    Yet one of these copied moves can be Sketch.


    Now, here is a simple guideline to making a legitimate moveset for something that can learn Mimic:

    Your moves can be any move from Generations 1 through 4. In addition, as Sketch can be copied over, one move may be any Generation 5 move except for Cold Flare and Freeze Bolt, as these moves are both unreleased and cannot be called by Metronome.

    A few examples of sets from either the IRC chat that spawned this or my own personal notebook. Note that there should be no talk of banning as there are absolutely no clauses or bans. This is true Street Pokémon.

    Deoxys-S@Choice Scarf
    Timid | Pressure
    252 Spe
    ~Spore

    I expect this to be one of the largest threats in the metagame without Sleep Clause in place.

    Electivire@Life Orb
    Adamant | Motor Drive
    252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    ~ Gear Change / Shell Smash / Icicle Drop
    ~ Volt Tackle
    ~ Ice Punch / Dragon Dance
    ~ Sacred Fire / Fire Punch

    Perhaps Electivire can finally have the power to actually KO things, instead of leaving them at just more than 1% HP.

    Machamp (MAFRO) @ Expert Belt
    Adamant | No Guard
    252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    ~ Gear Change
    ~ Sheer Cold
    ~ Hi Jump Kick
    ~ Stone Edge / Sing

    Unfortunately Fire Punch is an egg move, and Machamp cannot hit Forretress for SE damage, however every single thing in the game with Sturdy except for Forretress is hit by Fighting/Rock for SE. Alternatively, run Sing / Grasswhistle / Spore / Sleep Powder / etc. Gear Change for speed, and obliterate everything in your path with the mighty frost magic of your afro.

    The following lists are all Pokémon who can potentially use Transform to learn any move in the game.

    List of Pokémon That Can Learn Mimic

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    Bulbasaur
    Ivysaur
    Venusaur
    Charmander
    Charmeleon
    Charizard
    Squirtle
    Wartortle
    Blastoise
    Butterfree
    Beedrill
    Pidgey
    Pidgeotto
    Pidgeot
    Rattata
    Raticate
    Spearow
    Fearow
    Ekans
    Arbok
    Pikachu
    Raichu
    Sandshrew
    Sandslash
    Nidoran♀
    Nidorina
    Nidoqueen
    Nidoran♂
    Nidorino
    Nidoking
    Clefairy
    Clefable
    Vulpix
    Ninetales
    Jigglypuff
    Wigglytuff
    Zubat
    Golbat
    Oddish
    Gloom
    Vileplume
    Paras
    Parasect
    Venonat
    Venomoth
    Diglett
    Dugtrio
    Meowth
    Persian
    Psyduck
    Golduck
    Mankey
    Primeape
    Growlithe
    Arcanine
    Poliwag
    Poliwhirl
    Poliwrath
    Abra
    Kadabra
    Alakazam
    Machop
    Machoke
    Machamp
    Bellsprout
    Weepinbell
    Victreebel
    Tentacool
    Tentacruel
    Geodude
    Graveler
    Golem
    Ponyta
    Rapidash
    Slowpoke
    Slowbro
    Magnemite
    Magneton
    Farfetch'd
    Doduo
    Dodrio
    Seel
    Dewgong
    Grimer
    Muk
    Shellder
    Cloyster
    Gastly
    Haunter
    Gengar
    Onix
    Drowzee
    Hypno
    Krabby
    Kingler
    Voltorb
    Electrode
    Exeggcute
    Exeggutor
    Cubone
    Marowak
    Hitmonlee
    Hitmonchan
    Lickitung
    Koffing
    Weezing
    Rhyhorn
    Rhydon
    Chansey
    Tangela
    Kangaskhan
    Horsea
    Seadra
    Goldeen
    Seaking
    Staryu
    Starmie
    Mr. Mime
    Scyther
    Jynx
    Electabuzz
    Magmar
    Pinsir
    Tauros
    Gyarados
    Lapras
    Eevee
    Vaporeon
    Jolteon
    Flareon
    Porygon
    Omanyte
    Omastar
    Kabuto
    Kabutops
    Aerodactyl
    Snorlax
    Articuno
    Zapdos
    Moltres
    Dratini
    Dragonair
    Dragonite
    Mewtwo
    Mew
    Chikorita
    Bayleef
    Meganium
    Cyndaquil
    Quilava
    Typhlosion
    Totodile
    Croconaw
    Feraligatr
    Sentret
    Furret
    Hoothoot
    Noctowl
    Ledyba
    Ledian
    Spinarak
    Ariados
    Crobat
    Chinchou
    Lanturn
    Pichu
    Cleffa
    Igglybuff
    Togepi
    Togetic
    Natu
    Xatu
    Mareep
    Flaaffy
    Ampharos
    Bellossom
    Marill
    Azumarill
    Sudowoodo
    Politoed
    Hoppip
    Skiploom
    Jumpluff
    Aipom
    Sunkern
    Sunflora
    Yanma
    Wooper
    Quagsire
    Espeon
    Umbreon
    Murkrow
    Slowking
    Misdreavus
    Girafarig
    Pineco
    Forretress
    Dunsparce
    Gligar
    Steelix
    Snubbull
    Granbull
    Qwilfish
    Scizor
    Shuckle
    Heracross
    Sneasel
    Teddiursa
    Ursaring
    Slugma
    Magcargo
    Swinub
    Piloswine
    Corsola
    Remoraid
    Octillery
    Delibird
    Mantine
    Skarmory
    Houndour
    Houndoom
    Kingdra
    Phanpy
    Donphan
    Porygon2
    Stantler
    Tyrogue
    Hitmontop
    Smoochum
    Elekid
    Magby
    Miltank
    Blissey
    Raikou
    Entei
    Suicune
    Larvitar
    Pupitar
    Tyranitar
    Lugia
    Ho-Oh
    Celebi
    Treecko
    Grovyle
    Sceptile
    Torchic
    Combusken
    Blaziken
    Mudkip
    Marshtomp
    Swampert
    Poochyena
    Mightyena
    Zigzagoon
    Linoone
    Beautifly
    Dustox
    Lotad
    Lombre
    Ludicolo
    Seedot
    Nuzleaf
    Shiftry
    Taillow
    Swellow
    Wingull
    Pelipper
    Ralts
    Kirlia
    Gardevoir
    Surskit
    Masquerain
    Shroomish
    Breloom
    Slakoth
    Vigoroth
    Slaking
    Nincada
    Ninjask
    Shedinja
    Whismur
    Loudred
    Exploud
    Makuhita
    Hariyama
    Azurill
    Nosepass
    Skitty
    Delcatty
    Sableye
    Mawile
    Aron
    Lairon
    Aggron
    Meditite
    Medicham
    Electrike
    Manectric
    Plusle
    Minun
    Volbeat
    Illumise
    Roselia
    Gulpin
    Swalot
    Carvanha
    Sharpedo
    Wailmer
    Wailord
    Numel
    Camerupt
    Torkoal
    Spoink
    Grumpig
    Spinda
    Trapinch
    Vibrava
    Flygon
    Cacnea
    Cacturne
    Swablu
    Altaria
    Zangoose
    Seviper
    Lunatone
    Solrock
    Barboach
    Whiscash
    Corphish
    Crawdaunt
    Baltoy
    Claydol
    Lileep
    Cradily
    Anorith
    Armaldo
    Feebas
    Milotic
    Castform
    Kecleon
    Shuppet
    Banette
    Duskull
    Dusclops
    Tropius
    Chimecho
    Absol
    Snorunt
    Glalie
    Spheal
    Sealeo
    Walrein
    Clamperl
    Huntail
    Gorebyss
    Relicanth
    Luvdisc
    Bagon
    Shelgon
    Salamence
    Metang
    Metagross
    Regirock
    Regice
    Registeel
    Latias
    Latios
    Kyogre
    Groudon
    Rayquaza
    Jirachi
    Bonsly
    Mime Jr.
    Chatot


    List of Pokémon That Learn Assist (and don't also learn Mimic)
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    All things that learn Metronome also learn Mimic.
  2. Mario With Lasers

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    You can have whole movesets with the Mimic Glitch, not only 3 moves.

    EDIT -- Wait, what is Rage doing there. You don't need it for the Japanese D/P Mimic Glitch, only for the HGSS Rage Glitch. Or are you telling me they didn't fix the HGSS Glitch and it passed on to B/W...?
  3. TM13IceBeam

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    Blissey (Supersubpasserer) @ Mental Herb/Leftovers
    Bold | Natural Cure
    252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
    - Baton Pass
    - Substitute
    - Softboiled
    - Taunt/Cotton Guard/Flamethrower/Ice Beam

    Taunt + Mental Herb is there to fuck all over the cocks of MH pokes. It's optional though, you are free to run an attack + Leftovers.

    Essentially, using Blissey, you gain yourself 178 HP substitutes. If you setup on a wall, or have screens support, you can keep the sub intact and baton pass out to something with awesomesauce defenses, set up to +6 defenses, laugh at your GREAT WALLZ.
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    Enter the (sla)King!

    Slaking w/ Life Orb
    Adamant |4 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Speed

    -Skill Swap
    -Nitro Charge/Gear Shift
    -Return/Earthquake
    -Slack Off

    This set essentially tells you, GTFO TO UBERS. NAO. Skill Swap on the first turn to pass Truant to some poor random dude, Nitro Charge anything that comes in and boost your shitty 90 speed, sweep with Return. If you are paranoid of being walled by Shandera/Heatran, you can choose to forego Return (and its 153 after-STAB base power) and use Earthquake instead. Slack Off is there to restore HP lost from LO and random damage. If you don't like the Fire attack, you can choose to run Gear Shift instead, not a bad choice considering your Attack is also raised.
    (Edit: Fuck, I realised I got ninja'd in the OP. :P oh well.)

    (Do note that the only Gen 4 Pokemon that can legally get Mimic are Mime Jr., Bonsly and Chatot. All 3 suck though :/)
  4. SupremeDirt

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    Oh whoops, my bad, I copypasted the wrong version of the OP from my SD card. They fixed the rage glitch, made that version before I checked to see if it was gone now.

    Also, Assist can call Transform, meaning that Infernape and Purugly can also have any moveset.

    Tail Glow Infernape, anyone?
  5. KokoaKiwi

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    TBH I think this is the most broken 'metagame' ever.
    I love it. Do want.
  6. Lou Cypher

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    Belly Drum Slack Off Extremespeed Snorlax? Iunno...sounds fun to me.
  7. KokoaKiwi

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    If Sketch can be passed on to Gen V, I'd actually kill for a Butterfly Dance Flareon.
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    Wait...you could get Flare Blitz on Flareon this way!
  9. SalTheThief

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    Does this mean anything can learn anything? If so, hello Dragon Dance Serene Grace Sacred Fire Jirachi.
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    Cresselia@Life Orb
    252 HP / 252 (Atk/SpAtk) / 6 SpDef; Jolly, Hasty or Timid nature
    -Shell Break
    -Aura Sphere/Cross Chop/Focus Punch
    -Shadow Ball/Shadow Force/Shadow Claw
    -Psychic/Zen Headbutt/Fire Blast

    lolest sweeper ever. Fighting/Ghost for perfect Coverage, Psychic/Zen Headbutt for STAB and Fire Blast hits some wierdos that want to wall the physical moves.
  11. Vratix

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    everyone seems to be forgetting things that are already ridiculous.
    No rules means no tiers.

    Mewtwo @Life Orb
    Timid | 252 Spe / 252 SpA / 4 HP
    -Tail Glow
    -Vacuum Wave
    -Ice Beam /Shadow Ball
    -Psycho Break
  12. KokoaKiwi

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    Cresselia can't learn mimic.
    Also Dragon Dance/Flare Blitz/Seed Bomb/Aqua Tail Flareon sounds cute.
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    If 5th gen Pokémon are allowed, I came up with a set that could possibly be pretty fun to use.

    Serperior@Leftovers
    Bashful | Perversity
    4 Atk / 252 Sp.Atk / 252 Spe
    ~ Leaf Storm
    ~ Close Combat
    ~ Recover
    ~ Overheat/Draco Meteor

    The set explains itself really. Leaf Storm for STAB, Close Combat to raise your defenses so you can tank while you boost, and so you're not completely helpless against Blissey. Recover to help the tanking. Overheat for killing steels, Draco Meteor for killing Dragons. A Bashful nature is used, as lowering any stat kind of kills the point of the set.

    EDIT: Wait, it's mimic only....

    Oh well, it was fun thinking this up, and if it ever does get Mimic....

    And just for laughs:

    Shedinja@Lum Berry
    Adamant | Wonder Guard
    252 Atk / 4 Def (Lol) / 252 Spe
    ~ Mirror Type
    ~ Toxic
    ~ Focus Punch
    ~ Safeguard/Taunt

    If you somehow copy a Spiritomb or a Sabeleye this would be a pretty funny set to use if Mirror Type works on them....if they don't have a Tyranitar or something.
  14. KokoaKiwi

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    Chances are the glitch is fixed in Gen V, so, only old pokemon with new moves allowed. (IE, Butterfly Dance Ampharos)
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    Shuckle@Leftovers
    Calm/Whatever | Perversity
    252 HP/252 Def/4 Sp.Def
    ~Close Combat
    ~Leaf Storm
    ~Draco Meteor
    ~Power Share

    Spam Close Combat to get +6 in both defenses/Power Share to make them do pitiful damage while also raising you attacking stats. Then start to spam your insanely powerful attacking moves. A never dying bug.

    A really insane set.....

    Marowak@Thick Club
    Jolly/Adamant | Rock Head
    252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
    ~Gear Shift
    ~Earthquake
    ~Fire Punch
    ~Thunder Punch

    Fear the reaper. Marowak boosts the highest attack stat ingame after the boost from Thick Club, adding in +1 to that and you have a beast. +2 Speed means that it will start being fast enough to cause havoc. And Marowak is bulky enough to try and get a second one in.
  16. More Cowbell

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    So, essentially, this tier would just be a free for all where every Pokémon can have any move?
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    Possibly even worse:

    Darkrai@Choice Scarf
    Timid | Bad Dreams
    4 HP / 252 SA / 252 Spe
    ~Spore
    ~Dark Pulse
    ~Filler
    ~Filler

    No Sleep Clause = 6 Slept Pokemon, who gradually lose health while in play. Can be outsped more easily, but Bad Dreams allows him to stay in and do something while Choice-Locked into Spore. Dark Pulse for Magic Mirror pokes. I don't think the filler even matters.
  18. TorchicBlaziken

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    But you can't have Chatter.
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    An actual meta using this glitch?

    Do want.
  20. JeffreyLebowski

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    what? No! Rock the hasty nature: V Generate/ draco meteor/ close combat/ Leaf storm
  21. CTNC

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    This metagame looks Scary AND Hilarious. But if you think about it It's basically who gets Spore in First (Second with Lum Berries)

    Edit at Below: I didn't think of that... Sleep Counters may be enough to make Sleep Unpopular...
  22. SupremeDirt

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    No. Only Pokémon that could learn Mimic in Gen 4 can have any move, and are limited to a single Gen V move, as they can't have Sketch multiple times.

    So about 90% of Gen 1, 2 and 3, as Mimic was a Generation 3 move tutor.

    I should compile a list of things that learn Mimic.

    Also, CTNC, you forget that the abilities Vital Spirit and Insomnia exist.

    So do Mischievous Heart users, although they cannot take advantage of the movepool.

    Also, Slaking@Lum Berry beats Deoxys-S as a lead. Deoxys-S Spores as Slaking Skill Swaps, Deoxys-S loafs around and Slaking Belly Drums, Deoxys-S dies to the Extremespeed.

    So no Scarf Deoxys-S, as it loses to lots. Normal Deoxys-S with Taunt. But then it loses to Protect/Swords Dance/Megahorn/Brave Bird Ninjask.
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    Garchomp
    - Gear Change (I know he always wanted Dragon Dance but this is even better)
    - Earthquake
    - Outrage
    - Flare Blitz

    Welp, if that ain't scary, I don't know what is.
  24. KokoaKiwi

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    People need to start paying attention.
    If it can't learn mimic, it can't have an 'illegal' moveset. Neither Darkrai nor Garchomp learn mimic, so cut it.
  25. Woe of Tyrants

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    And people think Blaziken is a threat.

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