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Pokémon X and Y Discussion

Discussion in 'Trou Du Cul' started by Birkal, Jan 8, 2013.

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  1. Saboros

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    Are you saying because they aren't exactly the same they aren't recycling ideas? Because it is actually so obvious that they are recycling ideas.
  2. Yveltal

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    I think he's looking at the whole issue by manner of theming. Machamp and Conkeldurr are based on very different things. But, they have the sametyping and BST with slightly reorganized stats. Golem is based on the mythological golem and Gigalith is a crystal structure, but they have very similar stat spreads.

    I like to think of it as, "these Pokemon had a similar ancestor, and evolved into different species over a long period of time based on their region" Like in the real world, there are certain animals of a similar genus that can be found amongst several continents. Game Freak replicates this in game by using new Pokemon that fulfill the in-game rolls of old ones in a new region. Expect to see a new Togepi in the future.

    Also, I've been thinking about the commercial again, and I have a better idea as to why that Pansear was in the commercial. Every generation, there are certain Pokemon that you either can't find in the wild, or can only find with great difficulty. While it's always remained rare, Lapras can be found in the wild in almost every generation besides RB and RSE (because in FRLG, there's a cave where you can find them). Sudowoodo was a common Pokemon in Pearl and Platinum, even though until then, there was only one or none available in-game. You couldn't find Riolus in the wild until BW2, 1.5 generations after it's introduction to the franchise. The monkey trio is a perfect example of what I like to call the Lapras effect. Pokemon from the previous generation that were the only-one super rare Pokedex entries are suddenly freely found in the wild of the new games, not counting legendaries. What Gen V Pokemon are likely to show up this time around as a more commonly found species?
  3. EsurioXY

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    Why are we discussing our opinions about monster designs?

    Well while we are at it here's mine:

    "Black and White was an obvious attempt at a 'New' Red/Blue/Green using new pokes but with some direct homages. It was the point of BW to be both an homage and a redux and it did both jobs perfectly."
  4. Hank14

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    It annoys me when people talk about how crappy Gen. V was; they only bring up the very worst like the trash pile, the gears, and the ice cream cone. There were plenty of original designs in Gen V such as Volcarona, Haxorous, Mienshao, Zoroark, Chandelure, Golurk, Gothithele, and Serperior just to name a few. Just try to look me in the eyes and say that having a Hydreigon in your party wouldn't make you the biggest badass on the playground.
  5. Ingo

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    You are correct in the way I was viewing it, however it doesn't change my viewpoint that they are not rehashes.
    It's like seeing a cat in real life and finding another one five days later and calling it a rehash of the first.
    Conkeldurr and Machamp I'll relent on, as well as partially Gigalith and Golem.
    However Magnezone and Klinklang I still stand by as completely different.
    Your above post is right though, although you can find Riolu's in the wild in bw1, it's found in challenger's cave.
  6. Yveltal

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    Actually, I think Klink and Magnemite are a lot alike. Even though one is a multi-bodied Pokemon at a different point in the evolutionary line, and one's final form wasn't revealed with the first two and all that thematic and fluff jazz, they're both partially based on the concept of electromagnetism. It's why they both float in the air without having access to Levitate. If the local environment is severely disrupted, they momentarily lose control of their own gravity because they can't repel themselves off of the ground during the attack.

    Oh dear, I forgot all about Challenger's cave. Still, the Lapras effect.
  7. kaps

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    yeeessssss please

    also I'm glad GF made all of the different starting vermin and other similar groups of pokemon. If there were only rats in the Pokemon world, that would be unrealistic. However having rats, meekrats, raccoons, etc gives so much more diversity to each area of Pokemon. Now you don't only have one bird to choose from, you can choose from several different (albeit similar) species. Saying GF was unoriginal for making Pidgey and Pidove would be like saying nature was unoriginal for creating the finch and the pigeon. And even within that, you could say that GF was unoriginal for making Pidgeotto just a larger finch, while the real original ideas are in pokemon like remoraid, which evolves into something new which hadn't existed previously in the pokemon world. And really, who says that.

    But with regards to a different subject, something I've always wanted to be implemented in Pokemon games is something akin to the 'spinda effect', where there are multiple different looks to the same pokemon. Not to the same extent of Spinda, of course, but it would be cool to have something like four different Zangoose designs which have the same colors and look but a differently shaped stripe. Or perhaps make a slight variation in the hue of a pokemon's fur/skin, giving slightly darker or lighter versions. Some shinies do achieve this, but shinies in general are way rarer than you would normally find in the wild, and give a completely different color scheme. I still want shinies of course, but keep those rare and give us at least a little variation on how our pokemon look. It wouldn't have any effect in battles, but would give a little flavor when two trainers are both using the same pokemon.

    For a difference that does effect battles, however, I always thought it would be cool to give pokemon a height and weight range instead of a strict height and weight. Perphaps Beartics range from 8'0" to 8'10" instead of all just being 8'6", with the farther extremes more uncommon in the wild and the middle size being the most common. Then a Pokemon's stats would vary by a point or two depending on these sizes. For example, a heavier pokemon would have a point or two deduction in speed but a point or two advantage in defense, or something like that. Maybe it makes things complicated, but it also makes the games less 'rigid'.
  8. Ingo

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    Alright alright, I'll say they are similar
    But not a rehash
    That term should never be used unless they make a Pokemon of the exact same species as the other and just recolor it

    Everyone forgets Challenger's cave T T lol
    Another example would be Metagross
    I also agree with the above post
    I'd like something similar to a Spinda effect for pokemon meets a spiky eared Pikachu
  9. Infernis

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    And lo, the RNG'ers bred not only for personality and ability, but for optimal size. Those of the hyper-offense mindset bred their Pokemon ever smaller, while the stallers grew theirs to galactic proportions. Behold, ye trainers, the dawn of the Megawailord.

    I like the idea, but oh goodness that would make breeding complicated and time-consuming.
  10. keleyeemoh

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    You seem to be forgetting about the least common gym type of all. PLEASE give us a Dark-type gym this time around, Game Freak. Please.
  11. Geodude6

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    Something on my wishlist for gen VI:
    Smarter AI

    I really think this needs no explanation.
  12. Xylaser

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    how will the pokemons look like while swimming/water fights/under water
    will trollfreak make them levitate like the watermons on land? :D
  13. inanimate blob

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    Anyone else ever thought about Pokémon evolution in the sense of (don't laugh) Ben 10: Ultimate Alien?

    For this unfamiliar, Ben hits his watch thing and it simulates 1 million years of evolution on a planet where war rules.

    I feel like evolution may be a Pokémon's response to battling, in order to become less suceptible to being beaten, or "dying."

    It would be interesting to see something like this incorporated, to an extent. :3
  14. cantab

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    I wonder if this is because Fire, Grass, Water, and Electric are probably the four best known types. Three of those have starters, so the fourth gets a regular gym slot. Plus it helps the whole "starter choice=difficulty" thing in the earlier games; grass does well, fire is neutral, water will struggle.

    Oh yeah, Pokemon idea, I want a circular Pokemon with a 31/41/59/26/53/58 stat spread, with the evo having 62/83/18/53/71/79 . Competitive viability be damned!

    Personally I took an instant dislike to Haxorus when my Fraxure evolved. Its proportions just look awkward. Like Salamence (who's a fatass), it's a Pokemon as ugly as it is powerful.

    And having a Hydreigon will just get you teased when you say its name and the other kids say you're pronouncing it wrong.
  15. TyranitarTerror

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    If you zoom in, even sand is different, but we still group them together as a whole. Now I bet you could stick your head in the sand and describe every single grain of sand and put up a brilliant argument why any one given piece of sand is different than the others. Each came from different rocks, different places, but when paired with other sand, their similarities dominate them, so it is just sand. You can be that person with his head in the sand individualizing every detail you see, but it is still sand.
    I understand your view, but a rehash is much more than just reusing the same Pokemon. They have already recolored Pokemon--they are shinies. If what you define as a rehash were the way we all saw it, there would be next to no rehashes of anything.
    A rehash is the reuse of a base concept, which despite Klink and Magnemite being based off of two totally different things, they are still very similar in the fact they are as Yveltal pointed out, levitating electromagnetic Pokemon. Klink, in that way is a total rehash of Magnemite. They do not have to look exactly the same to be a rehash. Physically they are different but beyond that the similarities fly. This is in no way bad, despite the similarities to Magnemite, I am a huge Klink fan.
    Nonetheless, this is the case with many Gen 5 Pokemon when related to a Gen 1 alternate. Sure they may not look the same or come from the same inspiration, but the core characteristics are very much the same. A lot of them even look very similar to their Gen 1 counterparts.
    I will agree that there are many creative Pokemon in Gen 5, I simply cannot argue against the glory that is Hydregion. Or Haxorus, Reuniclus, and though he may not be my favorite Gen 5'er, Golurk, for that matter. I do not mean to imply a total lack of creativity.
  16. Chaoswalker

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    So if there are going to be new abilities, and many pokemon already have 3 abilities, does that mean that some pokemon will be losing old abilities for new ones, that those pokemon simply won't get anything new, or that there is going to be yet another special method for obtaining abilities besides dream world?

    Also, what if Dreamworld doesn't even return?
  17. Jacobzilla

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    I highly doubt that they'll take away existing abilities for pokemon, most likely they'll either not get a new ability or add a 4th one.
  18. shockwave527

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    He didn't forget about it. He said


    16 types used, as in Dark type has never been used. Yet.

    I really want a dark type gym this gen too, preferrably as the first or eighth gym, or twelfth if they finally take my idea and make 12 gyms instead of 8.

    UNNECESSARY EDIT: 300 posts, all on this thread! Woohoo!
  19. dcae

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    I highly doubt they will bring back Dreamworld, it seems to be specific to Gen V. It will probably be like the Pokewalker in the fact that it is specific to the Gen or game. That being said, I can see them introducing something for Gen VI so that the new pokemon don't have less abilities than the older ones, and older ones that did not get new abilities will perhaps obtain new ones, hopefully Archeops.
  20. TyranitarTerror

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    12 Gyms is an interesting idea, that would make the story four Gyms longer though. It would mandate the Elite Four be much much stronger to accommodate for the levels you gain in the four extra Gyms. We are talking like level 70-80's even. If they did not pump up the Elite Four, they would need to shorten and scrap many of the Trainers to fight to balance your level again.
    Overall, I love it when the Elite Four is gloriously strong, so the first scenario would be ideal. It would most certainly add some challenge to the game.
  21. Geodude6

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    You know what else would add some challenge? If they imposed some sort of penalty for a single Pokemon having disproportionately high levels compared to the rest of your team.
    My sister got Ruby for her birthday and completed the game in a week. She pretty much soloed the game with her Blaziken. Her Blaziken was level 72 when she finished the game. My team on LeadGreen was balanced, with levels in the high 50s. We like to battle each other but I always win, usually because of a type advantage on her Blaziken. I tell her to train more, but to her that just means "beat up the Elite Four a gazillion times until Blaziken levels up." It would be nice if there was something to discourage this. I realize Black and White had a "XP scaling" system where you get less XP the higher your levels are compared to your opponent's. IMO, that didn't really help. It is possible to have a level 40 Emboar at Elesa with little to no excess grinding. There needs to be something to discourage this. [/walloftext]
  22. Bashfrog

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    No there doesn't. Not only would this prevent solo runs (the challenge kind), but it takes away the choice from players.
  23. TyranitarTerror

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    I used a similar tactic in my first ever play through, the penalty? I could not beat Lorelei with a lv.70 Charizard...especially when all I used was Blast Burn. I now have like complete balance on my teams. I always have my "lead" usually my starter have a grand total of one level above the rest. I am told that is almost manic how I do this--I even did it when I IV eyeballing and EV trained my story line team in FireRed. However, experience taught me that to do well that is what you do.
    I do not know if GameFreak needs to do anything about this. I think that it is up to the person to learn what to do and not to do. One Pokemon against the same levels rarely wins you a fight...unless it is a Speed Boost Blaziken. Ordinarily, I have noticed that a single Pokemon can usually only take on three other Pokemon at same level at the very best, except when an incredible sweep is going on. That is something that must be learned yourself, I think.
  24. cantab

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    There already are other ways to get Hidden Abilities, with a few fixed encounters in BW and Hidden Grottos in BW2. The data structures also do support giving a Pokemon two hidden abilities. Game Freak could make them available in XY however they like - including abolishing any distinction and making them all possible from wild encounters.
  25. Lord Jesseus

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    Come oooooon Technician Weavile...


    You know, I'd like to see a Water Type 120 BP Recoil move like Flare Blitz and Wood Hammer. Some mons would really appreciate that I reckon.
    BASCULIN YEAH
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