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Pokémon XY General Discussion

Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by Stellar, May 10, 2013.

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  1. Phadunk

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    Lol oh my god. Brilliant.

    That's enough new Pokemon reveals for me. Time to wait and be oblivious until October.

    Every gen I try to stay out of the info to go back to the naive Blue/Red days but I always fail and plan my team ahead of time, etc.
  2. Better Call Stall

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  3. Darknesscrusher

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    WAAAAAAAIT, didn't they already provide news on the typing of Sylveon and what it was strong against?
  4. Edricky

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    These are my general comments, not too long but meh

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    I just saw the news about yesterday (in one big helping)
    ...
    eeeeeehhhhhhh
    Fairy type is mighty strange. I would be more OK with anything else. Now I don't want to defend it against the other people in my home - it's really, really disappointing. They could have done anything else. But, hopefully, they don't make it THAT ridiculous, and I can see some of the mons with it really like having it I think (Azumarill and Gardevoir in particular, though idk about the new ones they unveiled - the flower-bee-fairy thing is kind of offputting (I'm not the only one that sees it as a bee and a flower, right?), but hopefully they'll make it have some less frilly designs. Right now Azumarill is my favorite out of the fairies they unveiled. And I hate Azumarill. Lol. (Preference but meh)

    The lion thing (As Serebii puts it) is mighty strange, the eyes I dislike. Noivern is a nice design but not much else. Sky battles... That was an OM a bit ago wasn't it lol? the Flethcling evo is nice. Still won't use it though. I want to see helioptile's evo... I don't care about trainer search or whatever (Seriously, C-Gear all over again. Ugggh.) and the best part about the new info is... WILD HOUNDOUR. YYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAHHH. I can't be the only one that is excited for that lol. I don't care much about the other things they unveiled - in fact, if I wasn't addicted i would be regretting my pre-order of Pokemon X. Also, Pokemon-Amie sux.
  5. Dia

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    So Pokebeach disproved.
  6. The Shadow Knight

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    Or the beta tester didn't get to do that bit/it wasn't in the beta yet.
    They have been spot on with a whole lot of other things, you know.
  7. Avatar Korra

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    So I guess there's a strong likelihood that all of this will be true?




    Those rumors were posted in May, and the Fairy type, Flying battles, and Sylveon's type were proven true. So, what do you guys make of the reset of the rumors?

    Two new Mewtwo forms? (Likely gonna have X and Y in their names)

    Starters that are all balanced? (Similar to fourth gen somewhat)

    DUAL Type attacks? I wonder how that'll work out
  8. Better Call Stall

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    I do not want dual-typed attacks.

    I liked everything else tho.
  9. Manitary

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    Even if they were right on some points (although I don't think Fairy is SE against Dragon Dark (I was mad), unless Fairy Wind is like 30BP or less), I still trust only official announcement...hell, correct rumours will still be correct after an announcement lol

    Also, I don't think any attack will be dual-typed, things will probably become a mess imho <.<
  10. R_N

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    the source that correctly called:
    -the 4 english names
    -fairy type
    -fairy type being strong against dragons
    -fairy retypings
    -first gym leader is Bug type
    -sky battles (down to even mentioning levitate mons can join)
    -EVs & IVs being made more visible

    is "disproved" because
    seems wrong

    which it might not be.
    the roundtable actually specified at one point that you can borrow Pokemon from NPCs to ride which would match "can't ride on their own Pokemon" and for all we know Gogoat may be the only Pokemon you can ride in Lumiose city (since the roundtable didn't specify where and when you can ride various Pokemon)

    By Hiro's comments & WPM's thoughts, some of his information might be intentionally wrong, sure, but I don't think writing off the entire source over one discrepancy (that might not even be a discrepancy) seems a bit off
  11. MahouRedZ

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    Maybe the minigame to boost EVs is Pokemon-Amie? GF said that it will help in battle and EVs definitely help.
  12. Trainer Yusuf

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    Oh my God that actually makes sense with the region's divide into different sections and the color of each section.

    Personally only issue I have with the rumors is the whole Fairies being super effective against Dark-types, when most of the Dark-type Pokémon and Dark-type moves are only somewhat above from being aggressively mediocre. It is logical, don't get me wrong, but it is horrible for balancing...

    That said, if WPM's leaks are true for the current build I find it amusing that Dragon/Steel/Fairy/Ghost-types with Levitate will cover each other's weaknesses apparently.

    As for others, yes, EV/IV thing seems to be going to be an actual feature.

    "Q - With IVs and EVs, it's been very difficult to catch the right Pokemon and it is time consuming. Have you considered tweaking the formula to save player time?
    A - (silence. . . deep in thought), didn't expect anyone to talk about that today (laughs). In Pokemon X and Y we are going to make these hidden specs more visible and easier for players to access."
    http://pokebeach.com/2013/06/more-new-expanded-notes-from-x-y-conference

    Edit: Ninja'd and
    http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/whats_new/fairy_type/
  13. Codraroll

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    Dual Type attacks wouldn't have to be confusing. Two hits, one of one type, one of another? Think like Tri Attack's GSC animation, and just implement the types. I can't see how that would be very hard to figure out, even for novice players. I would basically be two weak moves filling one move slot, and you'd be able to use both in one turn.
  14. Shiruba

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    interpreting it like that'd be cool. like, something like dual chop - one hits fire one hits ice or something? is that what you mean?

    EDIT WHY DOES HE LAUGH ALL THE TIME
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    but there was an important/interesting quote:
    is he just being japanese, or will we potentially not have an evil team this time around?
  15. MahouRedZ

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    Muddy water should be water/ground and blaze kick fire/fighting
  16. Darknesscrusher

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    Poor Ferrothorn...
  17. shytende

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    Some of you may think Clauncher isn't that impressive, but it's based on the Pistol Shrimp, who is pretty awesome. I'm expecting it to learn Bullet Punch and/or Octazooka...

    Parting Shot looks like a lesser version Memento. That may be interresting.
  18. MahouRedZ

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    I can just imagine a x6 weakness LOL It will erase your pokemon from the game
  19. MahouRedZ

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    Pistol shrimps are one of the most badass animals in existence so that makes Clauncher automatically badass.


    Edit: Sorry about the double post
  20. Shiruba

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    i'm not really feeling octazooka - in japanese, it's octank [can't quite remember the japanese name] cannon, which has octillery's japanese name in it...

    but, then again, kingdra gets it, so it's possible.
  21. LoveHate

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    Just coming back from a long hiatus to catch up and prepare myself for generation 6. I am super excited for fairy type as it in and of itself will add a whole new aspect to the metagame. In terms of the actual game, I truly love every single pokemon revealed up until this point. If the rest of the pokemon this generation received as much effort, I honestly believe that this generation could replace Hoenn as my favorite region, mind you I have played since Blue version.

    Now as far as the rumors go, I am pretty supportive of pokebeacher's leaker. He has gotten many aspects correct up until this point and a lot of the changes show that nintendo actually has been listening to the fans on this one. Although I love Poliwrath, I have been waiting for a competent Water Fighting type pokemon forever now. The argument that he said only gogoat can be ridden is semantics resulting from miscommunication. Gogoat may be the only pokemon you can ride in the city. This can by no way disprove a man who has leaked the names, moves, and mechanics before they were officially released. Although I will admit that I believe that the specifics of fairy's type chart are muddled but contain grains of truth. Although this is partially due to my fear that dark will receive another weakness and the failure of a fairy type move to kill the dark dragon type.

    I have heard speculation that the leak described the dual types as a pokemon using a move receiving stab but the move has another types effect. Unfortunately I couldn't find the actual source but I find this to be a brilliant method to implement the long desired dual typed attacks as it is not overpowered and does not limit it to combo hits.

    Now onto my own speculation, I believe that this game will not follow the traditional pattern of even ten games and only have 100 pokemon. This is both wishful thinking and what I believe to be common sense. With the pokemon currently revealed we are looking at least 34 pokemon. It seems absurd for so many pokemon to be revealed months before the game if there are only 100 new pokemon. Thus I am expecting upwards to 125 as it would allow people a ton of all new pokemon while nintendo doesn't have to reinvent the wheel as they attempted in generation 5.

    The pet rhydon is super exciting as it further confirms the loosely confirmed suspicion that other generation pokemon will be available before the end of the game.

    Finally with all of these pokemon, I am curious as to how large the map will actually feel. I greatly hope for expansive map despite the map appearing to be normal size in respect to the rest of the regions. This is particularly important in post game as I will want to keep busy.
  22. Grammar Xatu

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    The gameplay and mechanics look like the best so far so not worried about that. I am hoping that the story matches the manga level of good. I want an enemy team that accomplishes something, part of why I loved B/W so much was Team Plasma came the closest to winning. But then in 2 they are not even a threat. Team Magma I was hoping would win... Anyways I want to play the post game and have the sense that world is different now because of what they did.
  23. Shiruba

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    well, you have to remember that the online pokemon community is stronger than ever, and everything is going digital nowadays. that could simply be the case of more opportunities on the internet to cause hype.


    i also noticed something else on the page.

    he completely ignored the question. he answered why they made it, rather than the story reason. while it could simply be miscommunication or not quite understanding what he was trying to say, japanese are very good at changing the subject and wording their responses carefully. is there some big story element about the fairy type? there wasn't a huge deal made about it in gold/silver, but lolstory in those games, and it was mentioned around jasmine and her gym.
  24. Nokocchi

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    This a thousand times. At this point It'd be hard to think the leaks were fake seeing as so many of the things are matching up

    I admit I'm a lot more pleased about there being a new type than I thought I'd be. According to the leak, it effects many bad types in a positive way and many of the good types in a negative way. So it's a decent way to balance it. Gengar would actually have a reason to use it's Poison STAB, and in general Pokemon that can get Posion Jab, Gunk Shot, Sludge Bomb, and Sludge Wave would actually have a reason to use it, same with Pokemon with Iron Head and Luster Cannon or any other decent Steel Move. All of those moves are rarely used outside of stab, and many Pokemon with shit offensive options happen to get some moves of both of those types (Banette and Gunk Shot, for example, not that it'd ever be a good Pokemon or anything)

    I remember when Dark and Steel were first revealed, and they even made them new types in the card game that were hard to use(Took them long enough to make Basic Energies for them). Everyone was excited about two new types entering the fray. While I doubt Fairy's hype will ever be as big, it's still a big deal.
  25. BreakMyFate

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    I doubt they make a story to cover any of the holes the fairy type has created in the previous generations. They'll simply say that the pokemon world was unaware of the type, but that it was always there.
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