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Pokémon XY General Discussion

Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by Stellar, May 10, 2013.

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  1. Shiruba

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    uh... well, maybe 2x for STAB instead of 1.5x? like an adaptability boost?

    [oh fuck adaptability flametalon + flame charge = base 200 power & + 1 spd]
  2. BreakMyFate

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    So flame charges power would be 120 with a speed boost? That sounds highly unlikely. I assume it'll stay at 1.5 it'll just get more coverage.


    or 100.. not sure if flame charge if 50 base power or 60
  3. blitzlefan

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    Wait are dual-type moves actually confirmed? Can anyone provide a link?
  4. Zentrius

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    Please ddon't tell me the dual-type moves got confirmed.
  5. matts10

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    If Fairy is super effective against Dragon and Dark , and immune to Dragon, doesn't that make Xerneas's Fairy stab 4x effective against Yveltal? If Xerneas is Fairy/Psychic and Yveltal is Dragon/Dark of course. Yveltal would only be able to hit back with 2x effective Dark attacks, assuming Fairy's only resistance is Dragon.

    Seems to me Xerneas will be def. inclined and Yveltal will be an offensive beast so that it evens out
  6. matts10

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    Also, if Fairy is immune to Dragon, I can see Gardevoir going to OU, with it's weakneses being Dark, Bug, Steel. Come in on a dragon type locked into outrage, force it out, and then Calm Mind on the switch or hit the incoming Steel or Dark type with Focus Blast and dent it.
  7. Shiruba

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    yeah, it's base 50.

    and aww, that's no fun. i ran a calc on a theoretical attack like that under max possible damage [sun, crit, choice band, helping hand, max attack ivs and investment {assuming it's base 100 attack} with adamant nature, against a dry skin level 1 paras with no ivs or evs and a hasty nature]

    +6 252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability (custom) Helping Hand (Move 1) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Dry Skin (custom) in sun on a critical hit: 1576600-1854832 (14332727.27 - 16862109.09%) -- guaranteed OHKO on 143327 - 168621 paras under those specifications [though probably more considering the adaptability boost would probably apply to both the flying and fire stabs though i'm not sure how i'd calc that]


    idk it's no shuckle but it's not bad

    EDIT how could i forget about ho-oh


    +6 252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Ho-Oh Helping Hand (custom) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Dry Skin (custom) in sun on a critical hit: 1893848-2228064 (17216800 - 20255127.27%) -- guaranteed OHKO on 172168 - 202551 identical paras


    ho-oh destroyer of worlds w/ lowly 50 base power move on an estimate that is guaranteed too low. though obviously this situation would pretty much never happen it'd be a holy shit moment and i don't think a dual type move would work like this lol.
  8. Grammar Xatu

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    They have NOT been confirmed. Neither pokebeach or serebii has mentioned anything.
  9. R_N

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    WE also know nothing about how the things would work
    at all

    there's several ways to do it
  10. Grammar Xatu

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    They are rushing to finish this game do you think they would put in a major game changer like that?
  11. Aasgier

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    I'm assuming they don't let 16× effective attacks happen.

    If anything, they make attacks that have split BP, and that will be my guess.
    To give an example with an existing move, I can see Scald hitting for 50 damage on the Water type and 30 damage on the Fire type.
    That means Emboar using Scald hits with a base 95 attack, STAB factored in.

    If Emboar attacks a Grass/Bug (w/o factoring in abilities) with said Scald, it will hit with 50 × 0.5 + (30 × 1.5) × 4 = 205 BP.

    252 SpA Emboar (205 BP Hyper Beam) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Leavanny: 249-294 (85.27 - 100.68%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO

    No, things would not get out of hand I assume.

    Just think things through to see how it work, but brokenness can easily be avoided as you see. Of the older moves, I can only see Blaze Kick and Heat Wave gaining a split damage (but Heat Wave's damage output against most Grass- or Bug-type wouldn't change at all since those types are weak to both Fire and Flying, whereas for Blaze Kick the same logic goes (but then for (most) Steels).
  12. R_N

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    what implies they're "rushing to finish it" and also what implies that something like dual type attacks wouldn't have been added by now

    the rumors are from january/february, at the very least
  13. Grammar Xatu

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    Those 4chan rumours that were proven false by the guy that made them?
  14. R_N

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    the pokebeach rumors we've been discussing for pages

    the ones with confirmed information that helps validate them
  15. Shiruba

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    lol i'll just post more of these then woo

    virtual console is on 3ds, too, though... he might be dodging the question again idk.
  16. Grammar Xatu

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    Found it, saying a few attacks are dual typed. Very open, could mean anything. That just seems like it would completely change the metagame overnight. I could see it next gen maybe but there already a new type that will change things plenty.
  17. j-squared

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    Ehh, it's still hard to believe everything from the Pokebeach source. Didn't he say that Fairy was SE against fighting? Didn't Sylveon get beat up by a fighting guy in Pokemon Smash? Kind of a contradiction right there...

    No doubt there is lots of true info in his rumors, but it hasn't been 100% right, so it's hard to tell what rumors are true at this point in time.
  18. Codraroll

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    I doubt any existing attacks would be retconned to be dual typed. I think instead, new attacks would attack with two move types in the same turn.

    For instance, consider a move that sprays the foe with water, and then freezes it. It's a 60 BP move, first having a 30 BP hit as a Water attack, then the next hit is like a 30 BP Ice attack. If a Water Pokémon uses this attack, it will get STAB only on the first hit, making the total damage output 30*1.5 + 30 = 75. If the user is Water/Ice or Ice/Water, it will get STAB on both hits. The Water part of the move would be boosted in Rain, the Ice part wouldn't. Effectively, it is identical to using two different moves in quick succession. I see this as the most logical way to implement dual type attacks.
  19. Cinccino

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    Um, Scizor is already everywhere and will rise even more if fairy is actually weak to Steel. Bulky Fairy-type with Eeveelution statspread won't like taking Bullet Punch, let alone Gardevoir so it isn't gonna be that easy.
  20. Professor Birch

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    Also, the unofficial type chart somebody posted said that Fairy is SE against Fighting so we don't really know yet. I rather not speculate and just wait to see what is actually confirmed before I get my hopes up. For the Dual-Typed Attacks, that would be a horrible idea and they better NOT implement that. I shall be quite made if it is indeed added. Only time can tell.....
  21. Champion Steve

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    Well, I believe Sylveon was thrown in a metal trash can in that bit, so I don't know. I think that bit was just to prove it wasn't Flying
  22. djanxo unchained

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    My wild guess for the evil team thing is that--
    since they said that we can get rivals/ friends based on the real life people, I guess he means that if some of them decides to be bad, then they become like your evil team? (Like the gang of meanies in your own school...)

    A really wild guess though.
  23. Ingo

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    After 3 hours, I'VE CAUGHT UP!


    Now for my two cents.

    I'm not against the idea of a new type, I'm not against the super effectiveness of this type. What I am against is that it's called fairy. Now I'm not one of those people who says it should be light and sound instead, those are ridiculous. I also don't think fairies are that feminine tinkerbell crap or that the name fairy is ''too girly''. No, what I don't like about it is that it majes no sense to me. Especially this point, how are Marill, Sylveon, Gardevoir, and Jigglypuff (Egg groups be damned) all related in someway to be in the same typing? I'm bad at explaining things, but I'll try.


    Take grass types for example. Barring Arceus, most, if not all grass types share green/yellowish coloring somewhere, are based off plants, and have foliage here or there. Or steel types generally have darker grey/brown/blue/black color schemes and have at least one polished part of their body. Now take the contenders of the fairy type. Without Marill and Gardevoir, maybe you could make a case that fairy types all have lighter hues of pink and white. But with them, especially Marill, it would be very confusing to see what they all share. That's not even going into whether Azumarill is part fairy, and what other fairy types (Like the rumored Mawile) have to do with it.


    I don't want to seem pessimistic, I'm going to play and enjoy the game regardless, but that part just rubs me the wrong way.


    Now as for the other parts, I'm truly amazed at the sky battles. I noticed that online battles (The one with the awesome clauncher) that there were blue silhouettes of people through the window/in the stands. Excuse me if this has been brought up before, but could this mean people can real time spectate battles?
  24. skitz0phrenic

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    Fairy types are cute and/or graceful looking. That's the visual similarity they share.
  25. Shiruba

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    the dragon type is pretty diverse, too. you've got haxorus, a weird-but-cool axe-headed thinger, then you've got a stereotypical western dragon in the form of dragonite, and then you've got a more eastern rayquaza [and gyarados, which isn't dragon for some reason]. you've also a sea horse in kingdra, a fluffy bird in altaria, and a chicken in reshiram.

    all types are diverse, but i think dragon is the best one to compare to faeries. both types aren't just something you can go "oh yeah there's a fire on it so it must be fire type" or something in the sense that they're more abstract, but can both definitely work.

    that's my two cents, anyway.
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