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Pokemon Averages

Discussion in 'Pokémetrics' started by X-Act, Oct 4, 2007.

  1. X-Act

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    These are the average stats of Pokemon, for information purposes:


    Average Stats of all 493 Pokemon:

    HP: 68
    Atk: 74
    Def: 70
    SpAtk: 68
    SpDef: 69
    Speed: 66


    Average Stats of all final stage Pokemon:

    HP: 80
    Atk: 88
    Def: 83
    SpAtk: 82
    SpDef: 84
    Speed: 77


    Average Stats of all final stage Pokemon, excluding ubers:

    HP: 78
    Atk: 86
    Def: 82
    SpAtk: 79
    SpDef: 82
    Speed: 74


    Average Stats of all Uber Pokemon (using current tier list):

    HP: 95
    Atk: 109
    Def: 96
    SpAtk: 119
    SpDef: 104
    Speed: 108


    Average Stats of all OU and BL Pokemon (using current tier list):

    HP: 85
    Atk: 95
    Def: 90
    SpAtk: 86
    SpDef: 88
    Speed: 81


    Average Stats of all UU and NU Pokemon (excluding NFEs, using current tier list):

    HP: 74
    Atk: 81
    Def: 77
    SpAtk: 74
    SpDef: 79
    Speed: 70


    Average Stats of all not fully evolved Pokemon (NFEs):

    HP: 53
    Atk: 56
    Def: 54
    SpAtk: 52
    SpDef: 52
    Speed: 52


    What's interesting is how high, in my opinion, the average stats of OU are.
  2. Krampus

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    Nice numbers.

    They may not be helpful what competitive play is concerned but they are interesting indeed.
  3. Kumar

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    Yeah, about 85 base has always been considered average for most purposes.
  4. Time Mage

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    Interesting, the OU pokemon average total stats is exactly 525, like the Eevolutions, and very close to the starters total, too.
  5. Lunar

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    Not really surprising. 500 has always been a good cutoff point for usable or not, though certain < 500 Pokemon with phenomenal stat placement (Heracross) still make the cut.
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    Let's not forget Medicham.

    I love stats like these. Thanks.
  7. CardsOfTheHeart

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    I find it interesting that the average of the Attack stats is higher than that of the Defense stats in every case. That just goes to show how much offensively oriented D/P really is.
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    Maybe we need to change that mentality now, at least for the Attack stat, seeing as the average attack stat in OU is 95.

    EDIT: I edited the original post with the average stats for UU/NU, and the average stats of NFEs.
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    If you round, every number that doesn't end up with 5 or 0 at the end, then you realize that calling 80 Speed Pokemon "Slow" is kindof more on the average side, and 85-90 Special Attack is pretty much a minimum to stats. Interesting thread.
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    Though the OU/BL averages seem almost pointless considering all the the Cresselias and Blisseys running around, but interesting numbers nonetheless.
  11. Sir Spanky

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    These are some cool/interesting facts. Thanks.
  12. Monkeydude85

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    Yeah, this is some cool stuff. Before seeing this, I kinda thought the average was like 90 across the border for OU.
  13. Lunar

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    What about the average stats of OU without the BL Pokemon?
  14. Tracker

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    Interestingly, SpD beats SpA by a few points. Mabye phisically, DP is offensive, but the special metagame is defensive
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    ^ Yeah, that's interesting.

    Thanks for posting!
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    What interests me is the fact that whereas physical attack is always higher than defense, excluding ubers special attack is always lower than special defense..

    Weird!

    Have a nice day.
  17. X-Act

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    Yeah, and with the introduction of new physical moves with high base power (Close Combat, Stone Edge, Brave Bird, Flare Blitz, etc.), and a lack of a Blissey-like, physically-resistant Pokemon, the physical side is much easier to break through.
  18. Thorns

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    Consider that we are factoring in large attackers like Slaking and Garchomp n stuff. The lowest Attack in OU is Blissey. Also, would we use a Pokemon with those base stats?
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    That is exactly the point. People prefer using high attack Pokemon like Garchomp and stuff. Why? Surely because 95 attack versus 85 HP/90 Def is a better approach than 86 SpAtk versus 85 HP/88 SpDef.
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    Base Stats of Farfetch'd:

    HP: 52
    Atk: 65
    Def: 55
    SA: 58
    SD: 62
    Speed: 60

    Conclusion: Farfetch'd is too Uber for the NFE Metagame!

    In all seriousness, this is a useful list. What was the effect on the numbers of outliers like Blissey? Does anything significant change when you don't factor in Blissey's 255 HP and 10 Atk/Def in those respective averages?
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    Farfetch'd is not an NFE, so maybe that's why it's too uber for that metagame, lol.

    Without's Blissey's stats, the average stats in OU would be:

    HP: 83 (85)
    Atk: 96 (95)
    Def: 91 (90)
    SpAtk: 86 (86)
    SpDef: 87 (88)
    Speed: 81 (81)

    Average stats with Blissey in brackets.
  22. The_Rider

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    interesting list thanks a lot X-Act for posting this.
  23. Ezxel

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    Cool! Ty for posting this!
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    That's really interesting, those figures are a little surprising to me.
    I'd like two more figures, though >_>

    Average stats for OU/BL "sweepers"
    Average stats for OU/BL "walls" (with and without Blissey, because that's pretty lol.)
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    Uh, Skarmory?

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