^ haven't played with all the mons you mentioned, but charmander frankly contributes nothing. i don't see any of the "early game advantages" you're talking about; it's an average fire type and literally nothing more. i've got both charmander and darumaka among my fire types, and darumaka hits much harder and reaches its full evolution sooner, not to mention darmanitan has conqueror. charmeleon is only enough to keep up with darumaka and right when you think they're on par suddenly darumaka decides to evolve and boom outclassed completely. charmander is just average and i don't see it escaping that designation when it has competition like darumaka. i also don't agree with the comparison of charmander to carnivine because carnivine is by far the earliest mon you can get with levitate, and unlike the other early flying mon (starly... i haven't seen rufflet yet), carnivine can retain its dignity in combat. starly does pay dividends because eventually it becomes staraptor, but carnivine's levitate puts it head and shoulders above basically every other mon you can get for at least the first third of the game. what does charmander have that sets it apart from other fire types? it doesn't have darumaka's fierce power, and it doesn't have any distinguishing abilities or an especially powerful move. it's average. moreover, charmander is evolving towards a mon with 2 movement speed, where as darmanitan retains its predecessor's move speed and makes gains in everything else. as for leafeon and glaceon, a friend of mine did go for glaceon in his first run. indeed he told me that it sucked ass to have to use eevee until nixtorm. that definitely matters in the tiering imo, so i don't think they deserve top tier either, but being among the few viable mons of their typing deserves a significant mention. and as for rhyperior. you're right that it's usable, and that's where it stops. if you're waiting for a mon to get into range of your rock wrecker, couldn't you be using a better, faster mon and just outright attacking instead? maybe that's not necessary to beat the map, but that doesn't mean that the two mons are now on equal tiering. volcarona's fire blast does just as good a job of killing scizor as simisear's does, but you're not gonna see anyone arguing for simisear in OU, and rhyperior is the same - certainly it can get the job done, but that doesn't mean it deserves a good tier. rhyperior is objectively slower, with less move speed, less speed stat, and a move that requires a recharge. there's no way it's going to get as many opportunities to kill as a mon with high movement speed and a strong area move. yes i could use rhyperior and still do fine, but WHY do so when there are stronger mons? that's why i don't see your argument for rhyperior being tiered higher. "usable" does not a higher tier make. can't tell here if you're trolling or not. spamming leaf storm? that doesn't work in OU, it doesn't work here either, and grass is generally an unremarkable offensive type if not a mediocre one. moreover, when he said speed, he was referring to their speed stats - their movement speed is only okay. sceptile at least has sprint, so it can make some headway, but serperior has only 3 movement and a pitiful 2 attack. neither of them are going to be making waves when they can basically only perform one attack before neutering themselves.