Pokemon Platinum - The definitive thread: Mark 5 (BATTLE FRONTIER DISCUSSION)

[Jumpman16]

Some of you may have noticed that I've filled in a lot of the blanks, finding Brightpowder, Lax Incense, Lum Berry, Chesto Berry, Persim Berry (Outrage galore lol), and some other shit. Brightpowder/Lax Incense is the only stuff I'm really not sure about, I spent like 20 minutes cross-referencing the old BT and I'm pretty sure I have them right even though it appears that they've replaced 736 Walrein's DP Brightpowder with Lax Incense, but whatever.

This should help those of you who are playing the PT BF right now (I'm sure TRE has a streak of like 300 already). What I would like, though, is for those of you playing, if possible, to determing whether Natures are actually random or if they are set as the PT database would indicate. Obviously the DP moveset list pulled Natures too and it was not accurate, so I suspect the same may be true here, whether or not that's a "good" thing.

 

[RBG]

This should help those of you who are playing the PT BF right now (I'm sure TRE has a streak of like 300 already). What I would like, though, is for those of you playing, if possible, to determing whether Natures are actually random or if they are set as the PT database would indicate. Obviously the DP moveset list pulled Natures too and it was not accurate, so I suspect the same may be true here, whether or not that's a "good" thing.

It seems like that should be easy enough for the people who have the game since you can check the Nature Moves Items and Stats in the battle factory (at least according to serebii)

 

[Peterko]

yeah start the palace, write down the initial pokémon stats, soft reset, repeat...that´s how I got all the battle emerald battle 1-7 movesets (and proof for the fact that the IVs started at 3)

OR

play multi-tower, choose the same partner and write down the stats (this is how I got proof for random natures in the DP tower), soft reset, repeat...this one is probably faster because there are less trainer/pokémon options (assuming that the platinum multi-tower works the same way as DP)

I´m pretty sure you can only see the battle status window of your partner´s pokémon, which means you don´t "see" the nature...I´m not sure about palace though

 

[Team Rocket Elite]

also, the item numbers are really, really probably somewhere on the internet, sorted "chronologically" or however this place does it, i just havent looked for that yet. would be cool if someone found that somewhere but i will probably look myself eventually instead of using deduction and comparing to the DP BT list

I have the list for DP. I'm not sure if it's the same for Platinum. It should be the same. The new Platinum items are obviously not on the list. I believe 112-134 don't actually correspond to an item, but I'm not 100% sure on this.

1 - Master Ball
2 - Ultra Ball
3 - Great Ball
4 - Poké Ball
5 - Safari Ball
6 - Net Ball
7 - Dive Ball
8 - Nest Ball
9 - Repeat Ball
10 - Timer Ball
11 - Luxury Ball
12 - Premier Ball
13 - Dusk Ball
14 - Heal Ball
15 - Quick Ball
16 - Cherish Ball
17 - Potion
18 - Antidote
19 - Burn Heal
20 - Ice Heal
21 - Awakening
22 - Parlyz Heal
23 - Full Restore
24 - Max Potion
25 - Hyper Potion
26 - Super Potion
27 - Full Heal
28 - Revive
29 - Max Revive
30 - Fresh Water
31 - Soda Pop
32 - Lemonade
33 - Moomoo Milk
34 - EnergyPowder
35 - Energy Root
36 - Heal Powder
37 - Revival Herb
38 - Ether
39 - Max Ether
40 - Elixir
41 - Max Elixir
42 - Lava Cookie
43 - Berry Juice
44 - Sacred Ash
45 - HP Up
46 - Protein
47 - Iron
48 - Carbos
49 - Calcium
50 - Rare Candy
51 - PP Up
52 - Zinc
53 - PP Max
54 - Old Gateau
55 - Guard Spec.
56 - Dire Hit
57 - X Attack
58 - X Defend
59 - X Speed
60 - X Accuracy
61 - X Special
62 - X Sp. Def
63 - Poké Doll
64 - Fluffy Tail
65 - Blue Flute
66 - Yellow Flute
67 - Red Flute
68 - Black Flute
69 - White Flute
70 - Shoal Salt
71 - Shoal Shell
72 - Red Shard
73 - Blue Shard
74 - Yellow Shard
75 - Green Shard
76 - Super Repel
77 - Max Repel
78 - Escape Rope
79 - Repel
80 - Sun Stone
81 - Moon Stone
82 - Fire Stone
83 - Thunderstone
84 - Water Stone
85 - Leaf Stone
86 - TinyMushroom
87 - Big Mushroom
88 - Pearl
89 - Big Pearl
90 - Stardust
91 - Star Piece
92 - Nugget
93 - Heart Scale
94 - Honey
95 - Growth Mulch
96 - Damp Mulch
97 - Stable Mulch
98 - Gooey Mulch
99 - Root Fossil
100 - Claw Fossil
101 - Helix Fossil
102 - Dome Fossil
103 - Old Amber
104 - Armor Fossil
105 - Skull Fossil
106 - Rare Bone
107 - Shiny Stone
108 - Dusk Stone
109 - Dawn Stone
110 - Oval Stone
111 - Odd Keystone
112 - ???
113 - ???
114 - ???
115 - ???
116 - ???
117 - ???
118 - ???
119 - ???
120 - ???
121 - ???
122 - ???
123 - ???
124 - ???
125 - ???
126 - ???
127 - ???
128 - ???
129 - ???
130 - ???
131 - ???
132 - ???
133 - ???
134 - ???
135 - Adamant Orb
136 - Lustrous Orb
137 - Grass Mail
138 - Flame Mail
139 - Bubble Mail
140 - Bloom Mail
141 - Tunnel Mail
142 - Steel Mail
143 - Heart Mail
144 - Snow Mail
145 - Space Mail
146 - Air Mail
147 - Mosaic Mail
148 - Brick Mail
149 - Cheri Berry
150 - Chesto Berry
151 - Pecha Berry
152 - Rawst Berry
153 - Aspear Berry
154 - Leppa Berry
155 - Oran Berry
156 - Persim Berry
157 - Lum Berry
158 - Sitrus Berry
159 - Figy Berry
160 - Wiki Berry
161 - Mago Berry
162 - Aguav Berry
163 - Iapapa Berry
164 - Razz Berry
165 - Bluk Berry
166 - Nanab Berry
167 - Wepear Berry
168 - Pinap Berry
169 - Pomeg Berry
170 - Kelpsy Berry
171 - Qualot Berry
172 - Hondew Berry
173 - Grepa Berry
174 - Tamato Berry
175 - Cornn Berry
176 - Magost Berry
177 - Rabuta Berry
178 - Nomel Berry
179 - Spelon Berry
180 - Pamtre Berry
181 - Watmel Berry
182 - Durin Berry
183 - Belue Berry
184 - Occa Berry
185 - Passho Berry
186 - Wacan Berry
187 - Rindo Berry
188 - Yache Berry
189 - Chople Berry
190 - Kebia Berry
191 - Shuca Berry
192 - Coba Berry
193 - Payapa Berry
194 - Tanga Berry
195 - Charti Berry
196 - Kasib Berry
197 - Haban Berry
198 - Colbur Berry
199 - Babiri Berry
200 - Chilan Berry
201 - Liechi Berry
202 - Ganlon Berry
203 - Salac Berry
204 - Petaya Berry
205 - Apicot Berry
206 - Lansat Berry
207 - Starf Berry
208 - Enigma Berry
209 - Micle Berry
210 - Custap Berry
211 - Jaboca Berry
212 - Rowap Berry
213 - BrightPowder
214 - White Herb
215 - Macho Brace
216 - Exp. Share
217 - Quick Claw
218 - Soothe Bell
219 - Mental Herb
220 - Choice Band
221 - King’s Rock
222 - SilverPowder
223 - Amulet Coin
224 - Cleanse Tag
225 - Soul Dew
226 - DeepSeaTooth
227 - DeepSeaScale
228 - Smoke Ball
229 - Everstone
230 - Focus Band
231 - Lucky Egg
232 - Scope Lens
233 - Metal Coat
234 - Leftovers
235 - Dragon Scale
236 - Light Ball
237 - Soft Sand
238 - Hard Stone
239 - Miracle Seed
240 - BlackGlasses
241 - Black Belt
242 - Magnet
243 - Mystic Water
244 - Sharp Beak
245 - Poison Barb
246 - NeverMeltIce
247 - Spell Tag
248 - TwistedSpoon
249 - Charcoal
250 - Dragon Fang
251 - Silk Scarf
252 - Up-Grade
253 - Shell Bell
254 - Sea Incense
255 - Lax Incense
256 - Lucky Punch
257 - Metal Powder
258 - Thick Club
259 - Stick
260 - Red Scarf
261 - Blue Scarf
262 - Pink Scarf
263 - Green Scarf
264 - Yellow Scarf
265 - Wide Lens
266 - Muscle Band
267 - Wise Glasses
268 - Expert Belt
269 - Light Clay
270 - Life Orb
271 - Power Herb
272 - Toxic Orb
273 - Flame Orb
274 - Quick Powder
275 - Focus Sash
276 - Zoom Lens
277 - Metronome
278 - Iron Ball
279 - Lagging Tail
280 - Destiny Knot
281 - Black Sludge
282 - Icy Rock
283 - Smooth Rock
284 - Heat Rock
285 - Damp Rock
286 - Grip Claw
287 - Choice Scarf
288 - Sticky Barb
289 - Power Bracer
290 - Power Belt
291 - Power Lens
292 - Power Band
293 - Power Anklet
294 - Power Weight
295 - Shed Shell
296 - Big Root
297 - Choice Specs
298 - Flame Plate
299 - Splash Plate
300 - Zap Plate
301 - Meadow Plate
302 - Icicle Plate
303 - Fist Plate
304 - Toxic Plate
305 - Earth Plate
306 - Sky Plate
307 - Mind Plate
308 - Insect Plate
309 - Stone Plate
310 - Spooky Plate
311 - Draco Plate
312 - Dread Plate
313 - Iron Plate
314 - Odd Incense
315 - Rock Incense
316 - Full Incense
317 - Wave Incense
318 - Rose Incense
319 - Luck Incense
320 - Pure Incense
321 - Protector
322 - Electirizer
323 - Magmarizer
324 - Dubious Disc
325 - Reaper Cloth
326 - Razor Claw
327 - Razor Fang
328 - TM01
329 - TM02
330 - TM03
331 - TM04
332 - TM05
333 - TM06
334 - TM07
335 - TM08
336 - TM09
337 - TM10
338 - TM11
339 - TM12
340 - TM13
341 - TM14
342 - TM15
343 - TM16
344 - TM17
345 - TM18
346 - TM19
347 - TM20
348 - TM21
349 - TM22
350 - TM23
351 - TM24
352 - TM25
353 - TM26
354 - TM27
355 - TM28
356 - TM29
357 - TM30
358 - TM31
359 - TM32
360 - TM33
361 - TM34
362 - TM35
363 - TM36
364 - TM37
365 - TM38
366 - TM39
367 - TM40
368 - TM41
369 - TM42
370 - TM43
371 - TM44
372 - TM45
373 - TM46
374 - TM47
375 - TM48
376 - TM49
377 - TM50
378 - TM51
379 - TM52
380 - TM53
381 - TM54
382 - TM55
383 - TM56
384 - TM57
385 - TM58
386 - TM59
387 - TM60
388 - TM61
389 - TM62
390 - TM63
391 - TM64
392 - TM65
393 - TM66
394 - TM67
395 - TM68
396 - TM69
397 - TM70
398 - TM71
399 - TM72
400 - TM73
401 - TM74
402 - TM75
403 - TM76
404 - TM77
405 - TM78
406 - TM79
407 - TM80
408 - TM81
409 - TM82
410 - TM83
411 - TM84
412 - TM85
413 - TM86
414 - TM87
415 - TM88
416 - TM89
417 - TM90
418 - TM91
419 - TM92
420 - HM01
421 - HM02
422 - HM03
423 - HM04
424 - HM05
425 - HM06
426 - HM07
427 - HM08
428 - Explorer Kit
429 - Loot Sack
430 - Rule Book
431 - Poké Radar
432 - Point Card
433 - Journal
434 - Seal Case
435 - Fashion Case
436 - Seal Bag
437 - Pal Pad
438 - Works Key
439 - Old Charm
440 - Galactic Key
441 - Red Chain
442 - Town Map
443 - Vs. Seeker
444 - Coin Case
445 - Old Rod
446 - Good Rod
447 - Super Rod
448 - Sprayduck
449 - Poffin Case
450 - Bicycle
451 - Suite Key
452 - Oak’s Letter
453 - Lunar Wing
454 - Member Card
455 - Azure Flute
456 - S.S. Ticket
457 - Contest Pass
458 - Magma Stone
459 - Parcel
460 - Coupon 1
461 - Coupon 2
462 - Coupon 3
463 - Storage Key
464 - SecretPotion

 

[Jumpman16]

Good work TRE, I've updated the list on the first page. Thankfully I was right about the items I'd been able to find so far...

Now all that's left is for someone to make sense of those wacky numbers they have for EV spreads—deduction and cross-referencing with the DP BT allowed me to figure out the ones I did but the numbers really don't seem to follow any pattern that I can discern (by arranging the six EVable stats in a grid like with the Type effectiveness chart). 18 does seem to be reserved for pokemon with both physical attacks and special attacks, and 20 on "slow" pokemon with special but not physical attacks, but i'm kind of tired of trying to make sense of it both because it probably isnt possible without like hours of deduction and comparison and because there's probably an "easy" way for the rom or whatever to be hacked

 

[Team Rocket Elite]

To decode the EVs, you need to convert the number from base 10 to binary. If the number is smaller than 6 digits, puts 0s on th the left side until you get a six digit number.

6 -> 110 -> 000110

Each of the digits corresponds to one of the six stats. I'm not currently at home so don't have the order on me at the moment. If the digit is a 1, the Pokemon has EV in the stat, if it's a 0, the Pokemon does not have any EV in the stat. I believe the EVs always total 512 and are always split evenly, but I'm not sure on this. I'll try to post more detailed info when I get home.

 

[Jumpman16]

Nah that's cool I get it. Would never have thought of binary (probably because I majored in English lol), how did you know that/figure that out?

I've updated the list for the last time...it's sorted alphabetically which I think is better than numerically cause if you're looking for a pokemon you already know what its name is and the Tier (if the Trainers use pokemon similarly to how DP did) will let you find its number pretty instantly since it'll be at most three lines away from which Gyarados or Tyranitar or Skuntank you're looking at...but if anyone wants the numerical order I can do that too I guess. With a concrete spreadsheet now I don't think it will be hard at all to throw this up on the site as I mentioned yesterday so you can sort by whatever.

I think I'm glad that the Outrage Dragonite is CBed because my Lopunny team had to Charm them all but in DP it had a Persim Berry which meant it could use EQ on Lucario which sucked...this one is going to use Superpower on Lopunny because 240 > 180 and I won't care at all, etc. Also:

499 Dugtrio Modest Lax Incense Earth Power Sludge Bomb Tri Attack Sandstorm SpA/Spe

oh no

 

[Team Rocket Elite]

how did you know that/figure that out?

Having different bits in a byte reprense different information is a pretty common practice. How I knew it applied here was because I've looked at how the Battle Tower Pokemon were stored in DP's game data. The person who released the information regarding the DP Battle tower Pokemon pretty much kept the information in the same order it appears in in the game's data so it was pretty easy to determine how it was represented in the game's code.

 

[RobertM]

I think I'm going to have to bust out emerald and breed for this...

Before I start I want to get a bit of feedback on what to use. Here's what I'm thinking. (Battle tower and Battle Factory aren't included of course)

Stage- I'm thinking a Garchomp/Latios/Starmie... Something that KOs alot but can take a hit. SpecsStar comes to mind since I already have a semi-decent one.

Roulette- Heracross comes to mind with it's guts abuse. Trick Room screws it up... Maybe an aromatherapy Blissey... I don't know, there are too many things that can go wrong =/

Castle- Recover Starmie? Wishpassing? Is it necessary? Or will I be able to stay healthy using points?

Also, how the fuck do I beat the factory? I keep getting crap like confusion kadabra and then on the 14th battle get tossed against camerupts and such with GOOD moves....