1. Welcome to Smogon! Check out the Smogon Info Hub for everything you need to know about starting out in the community. Don't forget to introduce yourself in the Introduction Thread, too!
  2. Welcome to Smogon Forums! Please take a minute to read the rules.

#pokemon tournament, won by JabbaTheGriffin (player) and Golden Sun (team), post game

Discussion in 'Tournaments' started by Aldaron, Nov 10, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Aldaron

    Aldaron peasants...
    is a Smogon IRC SOPis an Administratoris a Tournament Director Alumnusis a Battle Server Admin Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus
    OU and IRC Leader

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2007
    Messages:
    4,686
    Well, the first official #pokemon tournament has finally finished, with relatively positive feedback and opinions.

    Some background:

    The tournament was designed to promote discussion in #pokemon by removing the private teams aspect of battling, therefore encouraging battlers to discuss strategy even with opponents.

    At the beginning, we asked the community to submit teams, and over 60 teams were submitted. We then picked 24 teams based on certain themes; Sand, Rain, Sun, Hail, No Weather, and Wildcard teams. It looks like most people didn't care for the wildcard teams and most of the Hail teams, so in future iterations we'll probably focus less on thematic differentiation and more on simply perceived quality of teams.

    Teams:

    1. Golden Sun - http://pastebin.com/kggPnb1r
    2. SoT - http://pastebin.com/qhUbQHx7
    3. Wilson46 - http://pastebin.com/K0SNt93F
    4. Lizardman - http://pastebin.com/Rd7xxzGZ
    5. YAYtears - http://pastebin.com/RdB6qNj7
    6. Nachos - http://pastebin.com/RppNqcaE
    7. Iconic - http://pastebin.com/3rMHMnHG
    8. Fatecrashers - http://pastebin.com/f1RUzQTY
    9. Pocket - http://pastebin.com/zMN6vwcX
    10. McMeghan - http://pastebin.com/4cxEbnic
    11. M Dragon - http://pastebin.com/ejWwTubH
    12. JabbaTheGriffin - http://pastebin.com/DGbdTWBi
    13. Grimm70 - http://pastebin.com/Ub4ZDfeS
    14. Bluewind - http://pastebin.com/Ckim4E3y
    15. M Dragon - http://pastebin.com/Vfd5MJi4
    16. reyscarface - http://pastebin.com/LsAMMZMG
    17. cmx - http://pastebin.com/5Upchu0T
    18. noodlez - http://pastebin.com/yq69cvw2
    19. ShakeItUp - http://pastebin.com/Q4pjL8L6
    20. Lady bug - http://pastebin.com/3E7sk2fQ
    21. xtrashine - http://pastebin.com/mwXjVuh5
    22. Taylor - http://pastebin.com/4BMeQaTk
    23. Kd24 - http://pastebin.com/RRMkTZ5W
    24. dbolt - http://pastebin.com/AE7MGJwm
    Teams 1 - 6 were Sand, 7 - 11 were Rain, 12 - 15 were Sun, 16 - 19 were no weather, 20 - 22 were Hail, 23 - 24 were wildcard.

    As the tournament progressed, we experienced some interesting complaints / concerns / thoughts. SoT, reyscarface, and iconic, all respected battlers, all submitted teams that ended up doing quite poorly. iconic and reyscarface would yell "bad players," but you be the judge :P

    We also experienced people yelling about cmx's team, a no weather team that had the controversial strategy of putting roost on a cb scizor. However, the team performed admirably, going 5 - 2 in the first 2 rounds before losing twice in r3 and leaving the tournament with a 5 - 4 record.

    Then there was the wildcard issue...which, as bluewind succinctly put it...sucked. They had 32 chances to be picked, were only picked 9 times, and only won twice. They bowed out with a record of 1 - 2 (team 23) and 1 - 5 (team 24). In the future, I'll probably avoid putting smashpass / baton pass teams into the mix lol.

    As we got into later rounds, certain battlers (iconic primarily), complained that Golden Sun's team matched up poorly against rain teams (primarily mcmeghan's team 10) due to its one water resist (celebi). However, in round 5 (quarterfinals), Golden Sun's team went 2 - 0 against mcmeghan, causing me to believe that the severe disadvantage wasn't as large as initially perceived. Poor ToF for not going with his gut instinct that Golden Sun's team could match up fine against mcmeghan's...and losing while using mcmeghan's team against golden sun's :P

    As a host, I'll be making improvements in 3 areas for the next one. First, while thematic diversity will be a factor, it won't be as big a factor in choosing teams the next time. I'll probably only take 1 hail team and drop the wildcard entirely. Second, for eliminating teams after r1 + r2 (this gives each team 16 chances to be picked), I'll ignore thematic diversity entirely. This came up when I was deciding the last team to advance after r2. It came down to YAYtears, team 5 at 2 - 1, MDragon, team 11 at 3 - 1, and Lady Bug, team 20 at 2 - 1. I chose YAYtears' to advance because I didn't want a third Rain team, but next time I'll probably choose Mdragon's. Finally, for future tournaments, I'll be making sure that people can't use their own teams, except in certain cases at the end of the tournament when there may be no choice.

    In the end, I wanted to reward a team based on both record and how many times it was picked. I came up with a formula of rewarding 5 points for every win, 3 points for every loss, and 1 point for every time the team was used. If there was a tie in points, I used overall record percentage as the tiebreaker.

    Without further ado, the results!

    Results (5W - 3L + times picked):

    (just for clarification, 5w - 3l + picked is the same as 6w - 2l, but I wanted to show that getting picked reduced the loss weighting.)

    1.) Golden Sun - 14 - 6, 72 points
    2.) Shakeitup - 13 - 6, 66 points
    3.) McMeghan - 13 - 8, 62 points
    4.) Fatecrashers - 12 - 6, 60 points
    5.) Bluewind - 7 - 6, 30 points
    6.) Lizardman - 8 - 9, 30 points
    7.) YAYtears - 6 - 4, 28 points
    8.) mdragon - 6 - 6, 24 points
    9.) Cmx - 5 - 4, 22 points
    10.) wilson46 - 5 - 6, 18 points
    11.) mdragon - 3 - 1, 16 points
    12.) nachos - 4 - 4, 16 points
    13.) pocket - 3 - 2, 14 points
    14.) noodlez - 3 - 3, 12 points
    15.) JabbaTheGriffin - 4 - 6, 12 points
    16.) ladybug - 2 - 1, 10 points
    17.) xtrashine - 3 - 6, 6 points
    18.) taylor - 2 - 4, 4 points
    19.) kd24 - 1 - 2, 2 points
    20.) reyscarface - 2 - 7, -2 points
    21.) sot - 2 - 8, -4 points
    21.) iconic - 2 - 8, -4 points
    23.) grimm70 - 1 - 5, -4 points
    23.) dbolt - 1 - 5, -4 points

    Congratulations again to JabbaTheGriffin for winning the tournament and Golden Sun for submitting the team that performed the best.

    Also, congratulations to all of Heist / Fatecrashers / Shakeitup / mcmeghan for performing well!

    This was fun to host...look forward to the next one soon!
  2. KnightoftheWind

    KnightoftheWind
    is a Past WCoP Winner

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2009
    Messages:
    2,330
    Sucks I wasn't able to take part in this, but examinations call.

    Congrats Jabba and GS.
  3. -Tsunami-

    -Tsunami- Bye-bye.
    is a Smogon Social Media Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Team Rater Alumnusis a Past WCoP Winneris a SPL Winner

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    3,020
    Grats Jabba and GS!
    My team almost won :< w/e :P
  4. ToF

    ToF
    is a Team Rater Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnusis the Smogon Tour Season 13 Champion

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2007
    Messages:
    2,066
    hey i had two rain teams against golden sun's team, i knew i was gonna lose lol.

    this tournament was mad fun, not gonna lie. good shit jabba, and congrats to gs for having the undisputed best team in this tournament like i was sayin since day one.
  5. Ojama

    Ojama Are you watching closely...
    is a Tutor Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnusis Smogon Frontier's Palace Mavenis the Smogon Tour Season 15 Champion

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    1,984
    Congratz
  6. kd24

    kd24 I suggest cutting your wrists
    is a Pokemon Researcheris a Site Staff Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Smogon IRC SOp Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    5,358
    jabbas play was unreal, it was like he was someone else

    alas, the boy has just grown into a man, so congratulations jabba
  7. LUST

    LUST
    is a Team Rater Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Past SPL + WCoP Winner

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2011
    Messages:
    956
    great work Jabba and Golden Sun
  8. Noodlez

    Noodlez

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2011
    Messages:
    351
    Gratz Jabba and GS. 14th :[
  9. McMeghan

    McMeghan Dreamcatcher
    is a Tournament Directoris a Super Moderatoris a Tiering Contributoris a Battle Server Moderator Alumnusis a Past SPL Winneris the Smogon Tour Season 14 Champion
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2010
    Messages:
    2,208
    Congratz Jabba, seems like you should won this !
    Also, i hope you guys have fun to use my team in that tournament.
    Thx for the hoster and for all the work you've done in this tournament.
  10. MikeDecIsHere

    MikeDecIsHere And the haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate.
    is a Smogon Social Media Contributor Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2010
    Messages:
    2,702
    are there logs of the finals for those who weren't able to see it?

    (i.e. me)
  11. LizardMan

    LizardMan say cheese!
    is a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Past WCoP Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,826
    Congrats to everyone who performed well! (:
  12. Rewer

    Rewer
    is a Tiering Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2009
    Messages:
    1,151
    congrats jabba on winning and congrats golden sun for the awesome team!
  13. AndViet

    AndViet

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2010
    Messages:
    749
    Good job Jabba, and great team GS.
  14. Delko

    Delko
    is a Tutor Alumnusis a Team Rater Alumnusis a Super Moderator Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Messages:
    3,243
    Congrats !
  15. BIHI

    BIHI

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2011
    Messages:
    144
  16. H-C

    H-C

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2010
    Messages:
    1,060
    Congrats !
  17. smashlloyd20

    smashlloyd20

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    3,316
    CONGRATULATIONES
  18. liberty32

    liberty32
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    105
    congrats jabba. great team golden sun!
  19. ENZ0

    ENZ0
    is a Tutor Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2009
    Messages:
    1,347
    congrats jabba and golden sun!
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 0)